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Victorlink87 said:

Yeah, he is all the things you listed. Sould he ever, and I mean ever begin to strip guns away (even if its just from certain groups) from people I would encourage you to flee. Thats the only thing I see that indicates he won't be a full blown fascist. Right now he is an absolute ass hole and corrupt.

Its sad, but something similar although to a much lesser extent happened in the US. Both of these guys were elected by a base that normally would not vote for them. They took advantage of the high percentage of people fed up with corruption and that were extremely marginalized in the public sphere.

My friend. I hope things get better in Brazil.

Thanks.

Yeah, Bolsonaro's political campaign was extremely similar to Trump's, but I see Bolsonaro as even more of a threat. I appreciate your wishes, but I don't see things getting any better, any time soon - see, Bolsonaro's vice-president is a military general, who has already had some amazingly horrible quotes to his name, and has recently replied to media questions with "we won't talk about this anymore". In fact, this kind of censorship has already unofficially begun in Brazil since the elections, with people (myself included) often afraid of stating their thoughts and opinions because it can make you a target - and from here, I only see it getting worse. If it sounds like a dictatorship, well, yeah, it's because it'll likely be one.

It's been several months now since I decided to leave the country, so don't worry about me on that front. I'm just thinking I'm probably going to have to speed up that process because this place is going ham faster than I expected.



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mZuzek said:
Victorlink87 said:

Yeah, he is all the things you listed. Sould he ever, and I mean ever begin to strip guns away (even if its just from certain groups) from people I would encourage you to flee. Thats the only thing I see that indicates he won't be a full blown fascist. Right now he is an absolute ass hole and corrupt.

Its sad, but something similar although to a much lesser extent happened in the US. Both of these guys were elected by a base that normally would not vote for them. They took advantage of the high percentage of people fed up with corruption and that were extremely marginalized in the public sphere.

My friend. I hope things get better in Brazil.

Thanks.

Yeah, Bolsonaro's political campaign was extremely similar to Trump's, but I see Bolsonaro as even more of a threat. I appreciate your wishes, but I don't see things getting any better, any time soon - see, Bolsonaro's vice-president is a military general, who has already had some amazingly horrible quotes to his name, and has recently replied to media questions with "we won't talk about this anymore". In fact, this kind of censorship has already unofficially begun in Brazil since the elections, with people (myself included) often afraid of stating their thoughts and opinions because it can make you a target - and from here, I only see it getting worse. If it sounds like a dictatorship, well, yeah, it's because it'll likely be one.

It's been several months now since I decided to leave the country, so don't worry about me on that front. I'm just thinking I'm probably going to have to speed up that process because this place is going ham faster than I expected.

I am glad you are already making plans. I hope we end up being wrong.

I do not think of Trump as a fascist. He is a lot of things, but not a fascist. Even if he were our Constitution was built to prevent someone like him from taking over. If America falls to any form of fascism it will be by an entire party gaining control of all three branches and most major states. I just hate that is abruptness and harshness has inspired someone like Bolsonaro.



mZuzek said:
morenoingrato:

You know... right now, I really, really, really really really wish you lived in Brazil. Get what you ask for, and all that stuff.

It's only been about 25 days but this government is already going far beyond the levels of shittiness even I was expecting, never mind the people who thought it'd be fine. This whole place is self-destructing more rapidly than Chrom mains at Smash tournaments, and in several ways it's gonna hurt more than just Brazil, they're doing things that can affect the whole world.

Well, good luck that I don't then.

I still expect him to succeed mind you, that said, I'm just looking from far away.

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What is it with the world lately. Sounds very similar to the Philippines president who is also a self righteous nationalist violent leader who prides himself of similar attributes. Here in Australia we too have a religious conservative leader but luckily nothing this extreme.

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3sexty said:

What is it with the world lately. Sounds very similar to the Philippines president who is also a self righteous nationalist violent leader who prides himself of similar attributes. Here in Australia we too have a religious conservative leader but luckily nothing this extreme.

Majority of people are dumb.  We might as well just nuke ourselves into extinction and the world will eventually be a better place without the human virus.



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mZuzek said:

In fact, Bolsonaro's family has been linked to criminal activity surrounding the murder of Marielle Franco, an opposition politician, whose death has since been mocked by Bolsonaro's sons. Yes, they made fun of a dead person.

Reminds me of this political party we have here, who were founded by Neo Nazis as a Nazi party in the 50's.
They are now our third largest party, and they managed to do that by simply saying they've distanced themselves from the Nazi/white nationalists. Some people are that gullible. Others don't care.
Their party leader was caught by an undercover journalist to sing along to a white power song that made fun of the assassination of a political opponent. Can't say I'm surprised.

Ironically, just a few days after stating that Brazil is the country that best takes care of its environment (at the embarassing speech he gave in Davos, whose poor reception has since been called "fake news" by his son), we have seen a repeat of the Mariana disaster from a few years back, related to the exact same company from that time, which barely paid any of the fines they were due for killing dozens of people and fucking up nature, never mind actually improve their facilities to make sure this never happened again.

See, this isn't just a government filled with hate, prejudice and corruption. It's one that's deeply rooted in crime, and quite shamelessly so.

I heard about that, and thought I'd check to see how you're dealing with all this.
Looks like the promise to fight corruption went about as expected, when you think about the things this man has said and done.
I hope things get better soon, but hang in there.



Country elects right-wing leader and liberal college student thinks the world is ending, it's beyond parody at this point. Your life will probably improve under Bolsonaro. Certainly as an outsider, seeing footage in the past of people just being openly murdered in the street in Brazil makes it very obvious to me why the population would elect a hard-line disciplinarian traditional-values leader. I think they made the right choice in doing so.

sethnintendo said:

Majority of people are dumb.  We might as well just nuke ourselves into extinction and the world will eventually be a better place without the human virus.

This is the empty nihilism of the typical liberal on full display, you really really don't want to end up like this. Realize that you will only make a better country for yourself by valuing family, local community and your own people.