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well brazil needs to allow guns for none felons as the criminals all have them and are robbing people left and right.



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Amnesia said:
"He's racist, homophobic, sexist, highly religious,"

I could not explain that shortly, even heavily with my english, but when I read such a thing, I immediately trust the person responding to this description.
I am french, so I am vaccinated against this kind of description. These are exactly the adjective that we use to discredite someone. You just forgot "antisemit" and we are complete.

Bolsonaro is so blatantly racist, homophobic, sexist and highly religious that it's really hard to believe if you're an outsider. It's not one of those cases of people overexaggerating or calling the person racist, homophobic and sexist just because they don't like them. I'll give you a few examples:

Racism - "I was at a quilombo (places previously inhabited by slaves escaping, but now inhabited by their descendants). The slightest afro-descendant weighed 7 arrobas (230 pounds, measurement used to weigh cattle). They don't do anything. I don't think they even serve for procreation anymore."

Racism - "Has anyone ever seen any Japanese begging? It's a race that has shame in its face."

Racism - When asked by Preta Gil, a black woman, about what he'd do if a son of his fell in love with a black woman, he said "Preta, I’m not going to discuss promiscuity with anyone. I don't run that risk because my children are well educated and they don't live in the promiscuous environment such as is, unfortunately, yours."

Lying about history to excuse racism - "What debt [of slavery]? I never enslaved anyone in my life. Look, if you really look at history, the Portuguese didn’t even step foot in Africa. The blacks themselves turned over the slaves."

Xenophobia - "The scum of the world is arriving in Brazil, as if we didn’t have enough problems to resolve." (Talking about immigrants, mostly Senegalese, Haitian, Iranian, Bolivian, Venezuelan and Syrian)

Homophobia - After same-sex marriage was legalized, he said "It's a mess. The next steps are the adoption of children and the legalization of paedophilia."

Homophobia - "I would be incapable of loving a gay son. I wouldn't be a hypocrite. I prefer that he die in an accident than show up with a moustachioed man."

Homophobia - "If one's son begins acting kind of gay, then when he is spanked he'll change his behaviour."

Homophobia - "I will not fight against it nor discriminate, but if I see two men kissing on the street, I'll beat them up."

Homophobia - When asked about gay rights, he said "So let’s respect the pedophile’s right to have sex with a 2-year-old?"

Homophobia and misogyny - "Over time, due to liberal habit, drugs, with women also working, the number of homosexuals has really increased. I also tend to say if your son starts hanging out with certain people with a certain behaviour, he'll adopt that sort of behaviour. He'll think it's normal."

Misogyny - He said "I would not rape you. You don’t merit that." to a congresswoman, and then when asked about it on an interview he said "She doesn't deserve it [to be raped] because she's very bad, because she's very ugly. She's not my type, I'd never rape her. I'm not a rapist, but if I was, I wouldn't rape her because she doesn't deserve it."

Misogyny - "I have five children. There were four men, the fifth I got weak and it came out a woman."

Dictatorial behaviour - "The only mistake of the dictatorship was torturing and not killing."

Dictatorial behaviour - "We're going to shoot all the PT supporters in Acre." (PT is the opposing party)

Against any minority - "Since we are a Christian country, God above all. This history of a secular state doesn't exist, no. The state is Christian and the minority that is against it can leave. Let's make a country for the majority! The minority must bow to the majority. Law must exist to defend the majority! The minority suits itself [to the law] or just disappears."

High religiosity - "Brazil above all, God above everyone." (that's his campaign motto)

Those are just some few examples of what this monster has said throughout the almost 30 years he has been working as a politician. See how it's not an exaggeration to call him racist, homophobic and sexist?



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Excuse me for being that insensitive, ignorant American - but isn't Brazil already in god awful shape, economically and in terms of street violence? I mean, how much worse can it possibly get?

It's a bummer because that's actually a place I was considering visiting for a time but based on what I'm hearing these days of the happenings down there I'm starting to think I should stay far away.



 

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morenoingrato said: 

Your lack of interest in politics does not negate the underlying causes of Bolsonaro's rise in the polls. The recession was due to Dilma's and to a certain extent Lula's mismanagement, a bubble which at some point had to burst. Blaming it on Temer is ridiculous. It is as saying the 2008/2009 recession was Obama'a fault.

Didn't the unemployment in Brazil skyrocket in the past few years? And as a consequence, crime as well? Bolsonaro's sexist and homophobic remarks are inexcusable and I will not defend him for them, but perhaps it's not *only* about social issues and rather frustrated Brazilians worried about their standard of living and their families?

He might also have authoritarian dreams but Brazil is not Nazi Germany, and his margin of win will likely be in the single digits.

While not every authoritarian government is going to be like the Nazis, there are certainly some parallels in the rise of many authoritarian governments especially in democratic countries. Be they on the right or left, they are typically born out of chaos, typically when there is social and/or economic unrest (the two are often tied together). Look at the economic woes and the political chaos the Weimer Republic was in before they elected the far-right Nazis (the rise of Fascism in Italy is another such example). Going beyond the Nazis, you can also see similar parallels in the Russian Empire prior to the rise of the far-left Bolsheviks (the rise of Chavez in Venezuela can also be attributed to similar things) . Chaos and economic downturns fuels anger which in turn fuels the election of angry radicals (many of whom tend not to be so democratic). Also, I very much doubt the margin of the victory of these leaders matters much in the end so long as they are given the strings of power. If Bolsonaro really wants to start a military coup and manages to get the military behind him, then in practice that is all he needs to at the very least dissolve civilian democracy in Brazil (whether that would lead to him effectively consolidating his power, or throw Brazil into further chaos as the left and right start to clash on streets would remain to be seen).



Sordel said:
o/p mentions thw UK, where I live, and I pretty much guarantee that everything you've heard is BS. Swing to the right? Antisemitism institutionalised in our largest political party? Huge spike in racial crime? Sorry, just not true.

I don't know how things are in Brazil but when the views of the media are out of step with voting results they turn to scare stories to try to engage the fears of voters who sympathise with their standpoint. Of the 62% in his town who voted for this guy, how many are violent thugs and how many are just ordinary people looking for a change? The sky hasn't exactly fallen with Trump as president of the US: like him or loathe him, life goes on. Yet a lot of people acted like he'd be coming for their daughters & wives.

Follow the news less ... you’ll be happier and no more ignorant.

This.

The whole first posting and the typical labels ("racist, homophobic, sexist") that are nowadays being used by the media to discredit people suggests that the OP has been exposed to heavy media propaganda.



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ArnoldRimmer said:
Sordel said:
o/p mentions thw UK, where I live, and I pretty much guarantee that everything you've heard is BS. Swing to the right? Antisemitism institutionalised in our largest political party? Huge spike in racial crime? Sorry, just not true.

I don't know how things are in Brazil but when the views of the media are out of step with voting results they turn to scare stories to try to engage the fears of voters who sympathise with their standpoint. Of the 62% in his town who voted for this guy, how many are violent thugs and how many are just ordinary people looking for a change? The sky hasn't exactly fallen with Trump as president of the US: like him or loathe him, life goes on. Yet a lot of people acted like he'd be coming for their daughters & wives.

Follow the news less ... you’ll be happier and no more ignorant.

This.

The whole first posting and the typical labels ("racist, homophobic, sexist") that are nowadays being used by the media to discredit people suggests that the OP has been exposed to heavy media propaganda.

A user here posted some quotes right from Bolsonaro, he has also appeared on various interviews spewing this stuff. At this point, I find it really hard to blame all of this on a mass media conspiracy when its all coming out of his mouth. Based on the things he has said, such as if he sees two gay people kissing on the street he would beat them up, as a gay individual I certainly would not want him or someone like him in charge. Thankfully I don't live in Brazil, but I know the anxiety the groups being targeted by Bolsonaro and it makes me sad that they have to go through that, and at the same time I also feel sad for those that have been put in such a horrible social/economic position by the current situation in Brazil where they look at this man as an answer to their woes.

I know to some people what these types of politicians say is not consequential because they rationalize that they would not actually act this way once elected (which may be true, but I would rather take people at their words) and that the people being targeted simply do not have thick enough skin. However, when you are actually being targeted by these people (even through rhetoric), knowing the extent of where human cruelty may lead, it can make you at the very least feel anxious about your safety.

Last edited by nemo37 - on 10 October 2018

DarthMetalliCube said:

Excuse me for being that insensitive, ignorant American - but isn't Brazil already in god awful shape, economically and in terms of street violence? I mean, how much worse can it possibly get?

Believe me, it can get much, much worse. His ideas will only increase violence, and his candidate for vice-president has already said that he doesn't discard the possibility of an auto-coup d'état after they win. Moreover, Bolsonaro himself has already made tons of statements supporting the Brazilian military dictatorship and torture. Meaning Brazil will probably still be in god-awful shape economically and in terms of violence but instead of a democracy it will become a dictatorship.



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mZuzek said:

(I'm not actually Brazilian, so I don't vote)

I hope you feel safer in the future (with or without him as the president). By the way, where were you born?



its good to just avoid politics all together for a few days, along with news or anything to do with politics. been there before. though i dont know enough about the election to make a educated comment on the situation. but i do notice the leftist talking points in OP.

another reason i hate politics in things i like to get away from, in sports, video games, etc... it infects everything pretty much, so turn off everything and go to the beach for a bit. enjoy the view :D and relax. if your close to one, or a lake or just away from the everyday. also dont hand around negative people, they will just bring you down in more ways.



 

I dont understand why you care so much. How does this effect you personally? If you're not being deported then what do you care? Your post is dripping of fear and sadness, yet you didn't describe a single thing about what you're so personally afraid of.