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mZuzek said:
Nautilus said:

Forged a stab attack?Really?He got stabbed in the gut, that cut through parts on two different intestins and cut through a part of the liver(and the assailant twisted the knife, mind you), almost died in the way to the hospital(Thats not me saying it, the doctors themselves said it that if he were late an extra 5 minutes, he would be dead) and went through two different surgeries and now have to shit on a damn bag strapped to his side, and he forged an assasination?When every single journalist, right wing or left wing, doctor or whatnot said it was a serious and grave injury that was mere centimeters away from being fatal and you say he willingly devised a plan that could have easily killed him?Are you insane?And you are telling me I am saying bullshit?That the people that are supporting Bolsonaro are spewing and spreading hate, and you here saying that Bolsonaro lied when his life almost ended?Please, take a good look at the mirror because right there, is the perfect example of hypocrisy.

And stop throwing the name facism and nazism to anyone that dosent agree with your views.Its disgusting to see you use such strong use so freely when it has no meaning.For anyone with one good eye, known that all those allegations of  him being sexist machist, homophobic and so one are bullshit for the most part.Yes, he makes unfortunate statements from time to time, but its all taken out of context and exagerated.And before you complain about him not showing up in debates after he got stabbed(because people suddenly forgot that he participated in every single debate before the assasination attempt and was still raising in popularity without any aid of some conspiracy theory), I didnt know that you got stabbed in the gut and nearly died of it to be able to tell, better than doctors apparently, that Bolsonaro was more than healthy enough and had no danger to his well being to go to such an event.Glad that you are not thowing any hate around.

*sigh* And this is why Brazil is such a shitty country.

Thanks for not understanding a single word of what I just said, and blaming me for Brazil being shitty. What's next, saying I'm to blame because I'm Argentine?

I understood everything you just said, and its written pretty much in black and white.Dont try to wriggle your way out of it, trying to make me look like some sort of racist or xenophobic by that last bit you wrote.You are just as much intolerant as the people you claim to be is, and its pretty much evident in all the things your wrote, all the conspiracies you wrote about anyone that defends or supports Bolsonaro(7 million facists, really?You really think that just because someone likes his proposals and give a like to his facebook page, you automatically think that person is ok with a regime that has caused the biggest war in history and killed hundreds of millions of people?) And you say that Bolsonaro and its supporters are intolerant...



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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Nautilus said:
sundin13 said:

I think social issues are incredibly important, especially in a country where hate crimes against LGBT individuals aren't exactly uncommon. You can't just say that his comments about gay people don't matter. They do. These things fuel hatred and they fuel violence and they fuel the erosion of rights. I also don't think that those comments really do anything to alleviate concerns about gay rights, when he has stated as recently as last week that he opposes gay marriage:

https://www.apnews.com/34102f3a3d7a416c97dc878f1d2032dc

I never said that they dont matter.They do.Of course they do.They are human beings as well, as we all are.Its just that people are trying to create a problem that dosent exist.Its irrelevant if someone loves lesbians, gays, bissexuals and whatnot, as long as he/she respects them and their choices and let them live freely.Thats what Bolsonaro current opinion on them is.At least, thats my take on it.

And when you have a security, educational, or economical proposal, it will be applied to every single citizen in that country, which obviously includes homosexxuals and minorities.After all they are not aliens, they are people too.

I think it will take a lot more to actually prove that he actually has any respect for homosexuals than a couple of throwaway PR remarks.

That said, do you have any links to these comments you are referencing?



mZuzek said:

I'm Argentine?

I like you more already, I have 3 childhood friends from Argentina!!



mZuzek said:
Don't worry, I'm not going to go on on a long and winded discussion with you. I already did that last night, with someone I know, and I've already seen it with other people... it always ends exactly the same. They begin to use our own arguments against us, calling us intolerant and hypocrite for no apparent reason, stating that we're against free speech because apparently saying racist stuff isn't a crime to begin with, and all that crap. Ultimately, it usually ends with "mimimi vamos ver nas urnas rsrs".

There's a reason I am very sad. In case you're too ignorant to realize, the reason is you.

People end up using your own arguments against you because your argument is flawed in the first place, and thats all there is to it.Its not because of some grand conspiracy, or because people have become suddenly racism and intolerable.Its that simple.

We are all this polarized because of the gravity of the situation.Brazillians are tired of being used and being robbed by the corrupt parties and want changes.Left wing parties, and by extent socialist ideas have been implemented for the last 16 years and not only they havent worked, but actually made things much worse.At the very least, at the very core, Bolsonaro brings ideas that are different and fresh, and that are actually right-wing centric.Thats why half the population approves and supports him.Because at the very worst, even if he does end up failing to bring Brazil from this gigantic hole it is buried in, at least it had a chnace of working.Haddad is simply trying to do everything that was done before, and not only it wont bring new and diferent results, but they will also keep on feeding of brazil riches.

Im sorry to say, but most of Brazil is also sad because of people like you, who keeps voting on these corrupt politicians over and over again.You are the reason brazillians are in this current situation.And well, if you cant handle it, let me break the news for ya:Thats what means to live in a democracy.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

sundin13 said:
Nautilus said:

I never said that they dont matter.They do.Of course they do.They are human beings as well, as we all are.Its just that people are trying to create a problem that dosent exist.Its irrelevant if someone loves lesbians, gays, bissexuals and whatnot, as long as he/she respects them and their choices and let them live freely.Thats what Bolsonaro current opinion on them is.At least, thats my take on it.

And when you have a security, educational, or economical proposal, it will be applied to every single citizen in that country, which obviously includes homosexxuals and minorities.After all they are not aliens, they are people too.

I think it will take a lot more to actually prove that he actually has any respect for homosexuals than a couple of throwaway PR remarks.

That said, do you have any links to these comments you are referencing?

Its at least worth a try.As I have already said, at the very worst, he brings something new to the table that might, since its impossible to be 100% certain of something, work.Haddad dont.

As for the source, its around the 7 minutes mark on the video(In portuguese).Refers mostly about the allegations of being homophobic, hating woman, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YnLFUiGF-I



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https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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BraLoD said:
Nautilus said:

People end up using your own arguments against you because your argument is flawed in the first place, and thats all there is to it.Its not because of some grand conspiracy, or because people have become suddenly racism and intolerable.Its that simple.

We are all this polarized because of the gravity of the situation.Brazillians are tired of being used and being robbed by the corrupt parties and want changes.Left wing parties, and by extent socialist ideas have been implemented for the last 16 years and not only they havent worked, but actually made things much worse.At the very least, at the very core, Bolsonaro brings ideas that are different and fresh, and that are actually right-wing centric.Thats why half the population approves and supports him.Because at the very worst, even if he does end up failing to bring Brazil from this gigantic hole it is buried in, at least it had a chnace of working.Haddad is simply trying to do everything that was done before, and not only it wont bring new and diferent results, but they will also keep on feeding of brazil riches.

Im sorry to say, but most of Brazil is also sad because of people like you, who keeps voting on these corrupt politicians over and over again.You are the reason brazillians are in this current situation.And well, if you cant handle it, let me break the news for ya:Thats what means to live in a democracy.

You really have to stop with this "if you are not with me you are with the enemy", the guy doesn't even vote, he came from Argentina.

That's really annoying and, honestly, narrow-minded.

Heh, he is doing the same thing, you know that?Especially with the "You are the reason that I am sad" part.Never saw you saying that he was annyoing though.Plus, couldnt he vote though?He came to Brazil when he was one year old, so its not safe to say he is considered a brazillian citizen now, and thus have every right that a citizen have?

Anyway, this is an open forum, and Im not being disrespectful, Im just trying to have a discussion.I dont want to be mean by saying this, but its not my fault if you cant handle different opinions.This is not meant to be his echochamber, specially on a subject as important as politic.He says that he is sad because he feels like people are being intolerant because they support Bolsonaro, and that if he gets elected, the country is done for.I am just showing that those people, as I think that most brazillians do, feels the same.I think they all feel that, at this point in time in our country, they stand at a crossroad:At one side is Haddad, which roads leads to corruption, decay, and a situation like Venezuela.On the other side is Bolsonaro, which road MIGHT, and I do want to emphasize this word, lead to a road where we will start rebuilding the country.Not instantly save it from the shit it currently is, but start to lay the foundations for a better future.

Thats what the other side is feeling right now and thats why the country is so divided.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Yeah... I'm worried as well.

Both parties suck, but at least the other guy is actually of the centre-leaning, moderate wing of his party, and actually shares little enthusiasm for some of his party's more radical ideas.

Let's remind it's not the first time someone gets elected on South America expelling a huge amount of crap through their mouth. Paraguay had a president who has just left office, who said he would shoot his own balls if he had a homosexual son, and tried to change his country's Constitution to allow for his re-election indefinitely. In fact Paraguay was basically a far-right Venezuela for decades before the 90s, but somehow everyone forgot about that.

As most of the reactionary right-wing politicians in Brazil, Bolsonaro is little more than a crappier parody of the Republican party ideals under Trump. I don't think there'll be a dictatorship, but I bet he'll probably do most of the following:

1 - roll back regulations on pesticides and labels for transgenic products;

2 - accelerate the devastation of the Amazon rainforest in the name of beef and soybean;

3 - cut income tax for large companies;

4 - dole out national parks or indigenous land to European and American mining companies;

5 - try to insert "family" and "moralistic" values on the public education system, with probably some revisionism concerning the dictatorship;

6 - roll back protective measures to homosexuals and women etc. claiming those actually give "people unequal treatment";

7 - rant on Twitter against syndicalists or left-leaning parties everytime there's a major strike, or his ideas  don't move forward in congress;

8 - roll back gun ownership regulations and tout he's sucessfully combating crime once prisons are even more overcrowded;

9 - claim time and time again his opponents are actually "communists" or "fake news" even if they come from the right or reliable media;

10 - probably try some authoritarian measure against the Supreme Court or popular representation in Congress, even though it'll possibly fail.

11 - claim he's being sabotaged once his hardline neo-liberalism approach fails like it did in Argentina (twice) and Mexico.

I'm sure we can survive that, though. I just mourn for the loss of biodiversity and all the extra cancer due to all the  regulations going caput. Those we can't easily recover later, if at all... at least Mexico is, and Argentina is very likely moving leftwards the next year, same for Peru, Honduras and Guatemala, where their right-wing populists are facing jail or charges of corruption and fraud.

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It's a shame people feel the need to have to resort to extremes as a reactionary sort of response, when one political side looks to be failing a country, there's a major backlash and people flock to the complete opposite end. It's similar here in America, as Trump was a sort of extreme reaction of both the fail policies of the left (or at least perceived fail policies of the left) combined with a rejection of ever-growing PC culture. Though this guy sounds a lot worse than Trump.

I don't see why people can't just get behind a moderate who can reach both sides of the isle, who can be strong and offer security/stability without being militant, hateful, or exclusionary. Hopefully that pendulum will swing back closer to the center, but it just seems like the last decade plus all I've seen are the extremes that are the most prominent and loudest.



 

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mZuzek said:
Nautilus said:

Heh, he is doing the same thing, you know that?Especially with the "You are the reason that I am sad" part.Never saw you saying that he was annyoing though.Plus, couldnt he vote though?He came to Brazil when he was one year old, so its not safe to say he is considered a brazillian citizen now, and thus have every right that a citizen have?

Yes, having lived in Brazil for over 15 years, I do have a right to apply for Brazilian citizenship, but I never did partly for reasons such as being forced to vote. Since I never cared about politics, I figured voting would just be a nuisance for me and pointless for the nation because I'm ignorant to the subject, but I never thought it'd ever come down to this.

In other news, there goes the "Venezuela" argument, did you guys catch it? I'm surprised it took this long.

One thing that should change is for the vote to not be compulsory.People that dont feel like voting, or just votes because they need to but have no idea on who to vote should have the choice to simply not be forced to do it.Hopefully thats something that will change.

And hey, its not my fault that PT said what they said.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1