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I am very sad.

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(Thought about putting this in general discussion, but went with politics so people can come in with a slight idea of what it's about.)

I don't wanna go too in-depth over the reasons because it'd only make things worse - after all, they are what saddened me in the first place. I live in Brazil, and if you know anything about what's going on in Brazil, well, basically we are on the verge of electing a fascist as president. He's racist, homophobic, sexist, highly religious, well, you know... all the usual stuff. Furthermore, he wants to legalize gun ownership in Brazil, and promotes violence constantly. He has quite some following, and in recent days they've done all sorts of awful shit, from killing someone's dog because "it barked too much" or killing an actual person for simply stating they prefer another candidate.

Today, I went to college. It was the first time I went someplace since before the elections happened (I'm not actually Brazilian, so I don't vote), and because I live in the middle of nowhere, I was pretty much distanced from everything while here. Being in society again was... frightening. Walking in the streets had me nervous, knowing that most passersby likely voted in that abomination (he had 62% votes in my town), and throughout the afternoon I felt strange, nervous and afraid, even though nothing particularly out of the ordinary happened. After class, though, I heard that, in a different campus of my own university, a student was attacked and gravely injured by this guy's followers. Turns out I'm not afraid of nothing (take the double negative here as a proper intended double negative).

Anyways... This is probably the first time in my life I've ever been truly depressed. I can't cheer up, I can't feel good about anything, I can't ease my consciousness with anything, in fact I can barely sleep some nights. It's been a few days and I continue to feel horrible. I'm terrified of what this country has become, terrified of the rampant fascism everywhere and even more terrified of the future. Furthermore, I'm also terrified about this seemingly being a somewhat global tendency, with countries like the USA, UK, Poland and more following similar political trends. People can think of nothing but violence and hate these days... Peace and love are seemingly dead last in everyone's priorities.

I don't know what I'll do, if anything. If this dude does get elected, surely I must find a way out of this country, but I'm not sure anywhere else is future-proof either. Maybe this truly is the start of a new dark age...

In lighter thoughts, don't worry, I'm not gonna do the whole "leaving VGC" thing. If anything, VGC is one of the few stress reliefs I can have at the moment, and it can be even more important with the greatest games event coming up. I just need to clear my mind at the moment.



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I hear the fascist guy got stabbed and survived.



Can tell you that you shouldn't feel bad at all because, to begin with, the election of Bolsonaro won't have anything to do with you at least in the middle term. Furthermore, if he plans to promote his platform, he'll need the support of the legislative cameras and the population as a whole, and thus he'll need to deal with the opposition, of which you'll need to cooperate a lot in the years to come.

On top of that, think of why a lot of people decided to elect him, it's not precisely because of his political views, it's because he's the strongest alternative against the laborist parties, most of which are considered corrupt nowadays. You can fully expect people to vote for the PT again for the next term, for example, if Bolsonaro screws up, which is likely, anyway.

At the end of the day, this is just 21st century politics, everything is fine until they start making noticeable changes to your rights.



Humanity has been through much, MUCH worse times...

I hear about horrible things happening all the time when I read headlines but I walk outside and everyone is just going about their day. Exercising, hanging out, playing video games. Don't let the negative get to you so much that you miss out on the positive.



Isn't the other candidate from the party which caused the biggest recession in Brazilian history and wasn't that same party centerpiece in a national and international corruption scandal? The same party which was a close ally of Chavez for the past two decades? The same party whose leader is in jail for corruption?

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deskpro2k3 said:
I hear the fascist guy got stabbed and survived.

Sounds faker with each passing day. He used it as an excuse to miss out on pretty much every political debate or interview since, knowing that he can't hold his own when put under pressure.

@Metallox, I'm not concerned about the politics of it. I'm nearly convinced he will turn Brazil into a dictatorship again, though I do know that can't happen in such a short time. What I'm concerned about is the rampant fascism. 62% of people here voting for him means 62% of people are okay with violence, hate and prejudice. There's attacks on leftists, LGBTs, and women going on all the time, everywhere. I study music, you can imagine what a lot of people at my college are like... and what do far-right Christian extremists think about that? They could attack the place at any time.

I've never been this afraid before. I'm afraid to walk outside, afraid to do anything, afraid to say anything. That's as good as changing my rights altogether.



morenoingrato said:

Isn't the other candidate from the party which caused the biggest recession in Brazilian history and wasn't that same party centerpiece in a national and international corruption scandal? The same party which was a close ally of Chavez for the past two decades? The same party whose leader is in jail for corruption?

Yeah, this is what everyone says... can you not see how awful it is? That we're pitting corruption vs. FASCISM and deciding the latter isn't as bad?

In any case, PT's government was mostly very good. The first few years with Lula (2002-2010) were a time of prosperity in Brazil, everything was fine and even if there were reports of corruption or whatever, it really didn't affect people's lives. Then, Dilma came, and her first mandate (2010-2014) started to become a little shaky, and the economy began to sink, for which we can also blame the World Cup. Somehow, she still got reelected in 2014 for another mandate (the opposition candidate was a highly corrupt right-wing politician, but I still think him winning would have been best for Brazil in the long run - specifically, it'd have probably stopped this from happening now), and was eventually removed from her position with the impeachment in early 2016.

Since, the government was taken over by a dude who represents pretty much nothing about their party... I don't really understand about politics to know how or why he got there, but it is what it is. Temer was about as corrupt as they get, and in the 2 and a half years he's been president, yeah, we're in a crazy recession. It started back in Dilma's government, but it's only in the last 2/3 years intensified to this point.

In any case, I don't really care. I know very little about politics. I've never been interested in this topic, and that's something you could even tell looking at my VGC posting history. But this, this is not something I can just see and then look away. I'm witnessing Brazil becoming 1930's Germany right before my eyes, and it's horrifying.

Remember, every fascist government came in times of economical crisis.



While it's true that 62% of the voters don't care about Bolsonaro's extremist views, I think it's important to note that a lot of them aren't necessarily ok with them, which is an important distinction. The economic crisis, corruption, increase in violence, these are all factors that made people sick of the PT. With this I guess I'm just trying to say of course Bolsonaro's narrative is going to be bolstered given that he's leading in the polls, but let's hope that this doesn't later reflect in a real, tangible shift to a society that tolerates violence, hate and prejudice later on. Right now, you could argue that, realistically, things are just as right as they were 4 years ago, people suddenly didn't get enamored with the guy's ideas, they're voting for him for different reasons.

As for what happened in your town, sorry to hear that, but, again, let's hope it's just something temporary. Try to put your mind on other business and stay away from political environments the most you can.



"He's racist, homophobic, sexist, highly religious,"

I could not explain that shortly, even heavily with my english, but when I read such a thing, I immediately trust the person responding to this description.
I am french, so I am vaccinated against this kind of description. These are exactly the adjective that we use to discredite someone. You just forgot "antisemit" and we are complete.



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mZuzek said:
morenoingrato said:

Isn't the other candidate from the party which caused the biggest recession in Brazilian history and wasn't that same party centerpiece in a national and international corruption scandal? The same party which was a close ally of Chavez for the past two decades? The same party whose leader is in jail for corruption?

Yeah, this is what everyone says... can you not see how awful it is? That we're pitting corruption vs. FASCISM and deciding the latter isn't as bad?

In any case, PT's government was mostly very good. The first few years with Lula (2002-2010) were a time of prosperity in Brazil, everything was fine and even if there were reports of corruption or whatever, it really didn't affect people's lives. Then, Dilma came, and her first mandate (2010-2014) started to become a little shaky, and the economy began to sink, for which we can also blame the World Cup. Somehow, she still got reelected in 2014 for another mandate (the opposition candidate was a highly corrupt right-wing politician, but I still think him winning would have been best for Brazil in the long run - specifically, it'd have probably stopped this from happening now), and was eventually removed from her position with the impeachment in early 2016.

Since, the government was taken over by a dude who represents pretty much nothing about their party... I don't really understand about politics to know how or why he got there, but it is what it is. Temer was about as corrupt as they get, and in the 2 and a half years he's been president, yeah, we're in a crazy recession. It started back in Dilma's government, but it's only in the last 2/3 years intensified to this point.

In any case, I don't really care. I know very little about politics. I've never been interested in this topic, and that's something you could even tell looking at my VGC posting history. But this, this is not something I can just see and then look away. I'm witnessing Brazil becoming 1930's Germany right before my eyes, and it's horrifying.

Remember, every fascist government came in times of economical crisis.

Your lack of interest in politics does not negate the underlying causes of Bolsonaro's rise in the polls. The recession was due to Dilma's and to a certain extent Lula's mismanagement, a bubble which at some point had to burst. Blaming it on Temer is ridiculous. It is as saying the 2008/2009 recession was Obama'a fault.

Didn't the unemployment in Brazil skyrocket in the past few years? And as a consequence, crime as well? Bolsonaro's sexist and homophobic remarks are inexcusable and I will not defend him for them, but perhaps it's not *only* about social issues and rather frustrated Brazilians worried about their standard of living and their families?

He might also have authoritarian dreams but Brazil is not Nazi Germany, and his margin of win will likely be in the single digits.