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Do you really think Sony will include software emulation for the PS5?

Yes, definitely. From PS1 to PS4. 20 31.25%
 
Yes, except PS3 because o... 29 45.31%
 
Maybe. 10 15.63%
 
No, they won't. 5 7.81%
 
Total:64
Kerotan said:
OTBWY said:
...only to take it out some time later. I don't trust them with BC.

Anyone else you don't trust? Personally Sony have made all the right moves when it matters the last 10 years. I see them doing it again by making ps5 fully bc with ps4. 

That will only happen if they find a way to make money off it. If it's full BC, with no string attached. I'd say that would be one of the rare good decisions they made in the last 10 years.



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darkknightkryta said:
This sounds like the tech they used for the Parapa remake (or whatever they called it). The game is just the psp version running on an emulator with a texture replacement.

Yeah, apparently this doesn't seem to have anything to do with backward comparitibilty, but, as you said, with Parappa, as well as Patapon and LocoRoco, all PSP remasters on PS4.



OTBWY said:
Kerotan said:

Anyone else you don't trust? Personally Sony have made all the right moves when it matters the last 10 years. I see them doing it again by making ps5 fully bc with ps4. 

That will only happen if they find a way to make money off it. If it's full BC, with no string attached. I'd say that would be one of the rare good decisions they made in the last 10 years.

Microsoft are the only ones currently offering good BC. Sony and Nintendo not so much. But i expect ps5 to be fully bc. To expect ps4 to be fully ps3 bc is ridiculous. Ps5 to ps4 they have no excuse not to so I'd expect it. At the start of next gen when ps5 only games are not in abundance ps4 bc is a huge selling point and i highly doubt Sony will give MS the edge here. 



Kerotan said:
OTBWY said:

That will only happen if they find a way to make money off it. If it's full BC, with no string attached. I'd say that would be one of the rare good decisions they made in the last 10 years.

Microsoft are the only ones currently offering good BC. Sony and Nintendo not so much. But i expect ps5 to be fully bc. To expect ps4 to be fully ps3 bc is ridiculous. Ps5 to ps4 they have no excuse not to so I'd expect it. At the start of next gen when ps5 only games are not in abundance ps4 bc is a huge selling point and i highly doubt Sony will give MS the edge here. 

With the Switch it makes sense that it isn't fully BC because of the format choices, so they have to rely on software emulation, we shall see where that will go as far as legacy offering goes. Microsoft has been doing the right thing here, don't need to explain. Sony mostly dropped the ball in this category, and it didn't have to. All we have is a small legacy selection of PS2 titles and (albeit pretty good selection of) PS1 titles to play. I only draw my conclusion because of past actions, I think that is fair is it not?

twintail said:
OTBWY said:

That will only happen if they find a way to make money off it. If it's full BC, with no string attached. I'd say that would be one of the rare good decisions they made in the last 10 years.

Of course it will be. If anything, continued dominance in the gaming field will require they do. 

Funny enough the Vita had better legacy offerings than the PS4 and they sold reasonable well. They bungled the PSTV which shouldn't even have existed. Why can't they just offer the same content on PS4? Why can't I play Xenogears on my PS4?



OTBWY said:
Kerotan said:

Microsoft are the only ones currently offering good BC. Sony and Nintendo not so much. But i expect ps5 to be fully bc. To expect ps4 to be fully ps3 bc is ridiculous. Ps5 to ps4 they have no excuse not to so I'd expect it. At the start of next gen when ps5 only games are not in abundance ps4 bc is a huge selling point and i highly doubt Sony will give MS the edge here. 

With the Switch it makes sense that it isn't fully BC because of the format choices, so they have to rely on software emulation, we shall see where that will go as far as legacy offering goes. Microsoft has been doing the right thing here, don't need to explain. Sony mostly dropped the ball in this category, and it didn't have to. All we have is a small legacy selection of PS2 titles and (albeit pretty good selection of) PS1 titles to play. I only draw my conclusion because of past actions, I think that is fair is it not?

twintail said:

Of course it will be. If anything, continued dominance in the gaming field will require they do. 

Funny enough the Vita had better legacy offerings than the PS4 and they sold reasonable well. They bungled the PSTV which shouldn't even have existed. Why can't they just offer the same content on PS4? Why can't I play Xenogears on my PS4?

Really? I think you are giving a free pass to Nintendo but not Sony. You should be partial. 

 

So Nintendo get excused because the format changes? But ps4 is literally not powerful enough to emulate ps3 software because it was a shit show of a design yet Sony don't get a free pass with the ps4? Come on buddy both Nintendo and Sony don't offer bc for the same reason. Because they can't. Switch 2 and ps5 will have no excuses but right now both of them do. I just find it funny the double standards and the witch hunt there is regarding Sony. 



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Kerotan said:
OTBWY said:

With the Switch it makes sense that it isn't fully BC because of the format choices, so they have to rely on software emulation, we shall see where that will go as far as legacy offering goes. Microsoft has been doing the right thing here, don't need to explain. Sony mostly dropped the ball in this category, and it didn't have to. All we have is a small legacy selection of PS2 titles and (albeit pretty good selection of) PS1 titles to play. I only draw my conclusion because of past actions, I think that is fair is it not?

Funny enough the Vita had better legacy offerings than the PS4 and they sold reasonable well. They bungled the PSTV which shouldn't even have existed. Why can't they just offer the same content on PS4? Why can't I play Xenogears on my PS4?

Really? I think you are giving a free pass to Nintendo but not Sony. You should be partial. 

 

So Nintendo get excused because the format changes? But ps4 is literally not powerful enough to emulate ps3 software because it was a shit show of a design yet Sony don't get a free pass with the ps4? Come on buddy both Nintendo and Sony don't offer bc for the same reason. Because they can't. Switch 2 and ps5 will have no excuses but right now both of them do. I just find it funny the double standards and the witch hunt there is regarding Sony. 

I mean, I just said to you why. It is not a disc based system, so it rules out hardware BC. Software wise, we still need to see dude.. they *just* launched their online nesflix thing and it is relatively new compared to the competition. So we will see. Near the end of its lifecycle, we will talk about it. Having said that, please don't talk about witch hunts and other nonsense, you're the one bringing in Nintendo and Microsoft into this convo while this thread is about Sony. Stop trying to turn it into something else and stop thinking that everything I say is an attack on Sony. All I am saying it that I have my doubts when it comes to Sony offering their legacy content. There is a goldmine waiting there and they are not fully taking advantage of it. And what I said to Twintail is that I think they are looking to see how they can monetize it. Why? Because from what I understand this is about software emulation only. Not hardware based. Furthermore, I have seen Sony being iffy on legacy content before, there was an exec arguing against BC before but then they went ahead with the PS1 classic mini. See how that is inconsistent?



Machiavellian said:
pxrocks said:

All i need is ps4   Compatibility.even if it's not there i will still gonna buy ps5 first month.

I have no problem with this.  I really do not have time to play a lot of old games I have played already so I really do not care if PS1-3 are included in BC for he PS5.  As to buying the PS5 on day one, I still always hold out until there is a game I really want.  I have all the consoles and usually I will probably purchase them all at some point but only when there is something that I really want.

Ps5 going to be recognised by its own games not ps4-1 games.i just hope ps5 will be more powerful and cheaper like ps4.just don't add unnecessary features to ps5 then it will be expensive and it's going hurt it's mass adoption rate.



OTBWY said:
Kerotan said:

Really? I think you are giving a free pass to Nintendo but not Sony. You should be partial. 

 

So Nintendo get excused because the format changes? But ps4 is literally not powerful enough to emulate ps3 software because it was a shit show of a design yet Sony don't get a free pass with the ps4? Come on buddy both Nintendo and Sony don't offer bc for the same reason. Because they can't. Switch 2 and ps5 will have no excuses but right now both of them do. I just find it funny the double standards and the witch hunt there is regarding Sony. 

I mean, I just said to you why. It is not a disc based system, so it rules out hardware BC. Software wise, we still need to see dude.. they *just* launched their online nesflix thing and it is relatively new compared to the competition. So we will see. Near the end of its lifecycle, we will talk about it. Having said that, please don't talk about witch hunts and other nonsense, you're the one bringing in Nintendo and Microsoft into this convo while this thread is about Sony. Stop trying to turn it into something else and stop thinking that everything I say is an attack on Sony. All I am saying it that I have my doubts when it comes to Sony offering their legacy content. There is a goldmine waiting there and they are not fully taking advantage of it. And what I said to Twintail is that I think they are looking to see how they can monetize it. Why? Because from what I understand this is about software emulation only. Not hardware based. Furthermore, I have seen Sony being iffy on legacy content before, there was an exec arguing against BC before but then they went ahead with the PS1 classic mini. See how that is inconsistent?

I just said the ps4 couldn't possibly emulate the ps3. High end pc is required and even then results are not perfect. Sony are about to release their 1st legacy console. Nintendo have released quite a few. If anything Nintendo are the iffy ones. They've majorly cashed in on these classic consoles lately and I'd imagine even more are on their way. 



KBG29 said:
Machiavellian said:

Lol, why people put so much faith in something that Sony probably doesn't see as that much of an asset.  What make you believe that Sony even cares to put any free effort into true BC within their next console and cut out PSNow.  It really doesn't make sense from a business standpoint for Sony and the investment in time and money really not there.  PS4 BC is probably the best you will see and anything else will be PSNow.

B/C will actually be a benifit to PS Now. 

Sony needs to get all of its games running on a single architecture, to make PS Now as effecient as possible. They can not be running multiple different server banks, especially some with decades old tech, and expect PS Now to be profitable. So for the best future for PS Now, Sony will need to get everything running on X86 and Radeon. This will streamline the service, and make continued improvements as new X86 and Radeon server chips arrive.

Since all future PlayStations will more than likely use the same X86 and Radeon trch, these emulators will work on them by default. Now this gives Sony multiple new revenue streams.

1. Consumers can pay for PS Now to stream PS1 - PS5 titles to any set top box or smartphone. 

2. Consumers can pay for PS Now, and download their PS1 - PS5 games to any of their PS5 devices.

3. Consumers can buy PS1 - PS5 games directly from the PS Store.

Having B/C does not hurt PS Now, it only makes PS Now a better value. Even in the case that they offer disc based B/C, many people will end up either paying for PS Now, or just re-buying games digitally due to the convenience. Making all old PlayStation content available on X86 and Radeon is good for PS Now, PS5, Sony, and the Consumers.

This is what I am saying.  I highly doubt that Sony is going to add BC for older games into the next PS system.  If anything for older games like PS 1 - 3 will be PSNow and PS4 will be within the next system.



Kerotan said:
OTBWY said:

I mean, I just said to you why. It is not a disc based system, so it rules out hardware BC. Software wise, we still need to see dude.. they *just* launched their online nesflix thing and it is relatively new compared to the competition. So we will see. Near the end of its lifecycle, we will talk about it. Having said that, please don't talk about witch hunts and other nonsense, you're the one bringing in Nintendo and Microsoft into this convo while this thread is about Sony. Stop trying to turn it into something else and stop thinking that everything I say is an attack on Sony. All I am saying it that I have my doubts when it comes to Sony offering their legacy content. There is a goldmine waiting there and they are not fully taking advantage of it. And what I said to Twintail is that I think they are looking to see how they can monetize it. Why? Because from what I understand this is about software emulation only. Not hardware based. Furthermore, I have seen Sony being iffy on legacy content before, there was an exec arguing against BC before but then they went ahead with the PS1 classic mini. See how that is inconsistent?

I just said the ps4 couldn't possibly emulate the ps3. High end pc is required and even then results are not perfect. Sony are about to release their 1st legacy console. Nintendo have released quite a few. If anything Nintendo are the iffy ones. They've majorly cashed in on these classic consoles lately and I'd imagine even more are on their way. 

This is a major facepalm. It is not about money dude, it is about doing a right strategy and a way to monetize it. Course they should make money on it lol.  Besides that, companies releasing mini consoles is not the point. The point is that Sony first had spoken against BC, and now turned around (most likely cause they saw the success of the NES and SNES mini). It isn't hard to figure out mate. Oh and Sony can emulate the ps3. If they make the effort, they can develop the emulation software to run them.

Last edited by OTBWY - on 08 October 2018