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fatslob-:O said:

From what you linked, the ocean is a carbon sink rather than a net carbon producer. The ocean acidification phenomenon is down to the observation that the ocean absorbs carbon ...

Exactly. And as temperatures rise, the oceans release said carbon.

fatslob-:O said:
Producing ethanol through biological means is hardly financially viable either. At that point electric vehicles become more attractive but we won't even have enough lithium reserves so that every family will be able to have one ...

Ethanol was just the example.
There are other fuels we can make like Bio-Diesel using Algae. (In-fact there is such an enterprise just up north from me.)

There is also Carbon capturing and binding the carbon with hydrogen to make fuel.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/06/carbon-engineering-liquid-fuel-carbon-capture-neutral-science/

fatslob-:O said:

Define "exponential" ? Is it with respect to the temperature increases or CO2 levels ? If it's the former, nobody is measuring temperature increases "exponentially" even if CO2 levels are increasing exponentially, at best temperature increases will be linear in that case ... 

If CO2 levels are increasing linearly then temperature increases will be "logarithmic" ...

I already have.
But for every 1c in temperature rises associated with the green house effect, the more CO2 is released from our Arctic regions and the oceans.
There will reach a point where there will be a large associated jump.


fatslob-:O said:
The vast majority of politicians we see today go against science. The political right is an offender in all sorts of areas (climate/abiogenesis) while the political left is a massive offender in biology. (particularly studies regarding genetics) It's all too laughable that liberals will combat theoconservatives with the basis of evolution but when someone more educated about the subject themselves try to educate them on the "consequences" or "ramifications" it has especially on human populations they are in absolute denial about it undermining the principles of evolution itself. It's OK to cross lines with theoconservatives but apparently it's somehow too sacred to apply it to humans in which case even the neo-nazi's are sadly more scientifically correct than them in that specific area ...

They are both as bad as each other.
Don't regret being a centrist at all.

fatslob-:O said:
You also see the Green's being devout anti-nuclear energy ...

Yeah this legitimately annoys me. It's stupid.
We don't have any Nuclear power here at all... Yet it is green, plentiful... And we have a stupidly massive amount of Nuclear energy potential buried under our feet.



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Pemalite said:

Exactly. And as temperatures rise, the oceans release said carbon.

https://climatekids.nasa.gov/ocean/

I don't think that's how it works based on the above example from NASA climatekids in the question "How does the ocean suck up CO2 ?". Most of the CO2 sucked up by the ocean isn't because of the change in the ionization of the water, it's mainly down to marine life like plants and bacteria photosynthesizing. I'm also not sure how ionized water is supposed to release carbon too, wouldn't that mean we'd have more bouts of acidic rain instead ? 

What I also don't think is the temperature rises in the worst case scenario will start making our oceans boil either assuming that you meant the ions trapped in the water will change into gaseous form rapidly. Water has a boiling point of 100'C at 100 kPa ... 

If we wanted to get more complex as to what will happen with the CO2 in the ocean, as organic plant life is formed it can either get consumed by marine animals or it will decay into simpler organic hydrocarbons in anaerobic environments. In the latter case as some may have guessed through the magic of geology, it get's reformed as what we know today as fossil fuels!  

Pemalite said:

Ethanol was just the example.
There are other fuels we can make like Bio-Diesel using Algae. (In-fact there is such an enterprise just up north from me.)

There is also Carbon capturing and binding the carbon with hydrogen to make fuel.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/06/carbon-engineering-liquid-fuel-carbon-capture-neutral-science/

Wouldn't that be a positive that we can now technically cycle carbon dioxide into hydrocarbons faster ?  

It would be a win-win situation where we don't have to give up our gas guzzling vehicles if we can recycle our carbon faster in an economical way ... 

Pemalite said: 


I already have.

But for every 1c in temperature rises associated with the green house effect, the more CO2 is released from our Arctic regions and the oceans.
There will reach a point where there will be a large associated jump.

So far the ocean has been a carbon sink mainly thanks to the organisms living in it so I wouldn't bet on the arctic being a tipping of any sort ... 

Pemalite said: 


They are both as bad as each other.

Don't regret being a centrist at all.

Both are pretty bad indeed but the reason why the representatives of science (mainly scientists) have a small representation in democracy is because they reek and stink of elitism like one would see from a technocracy so that's why they mostly keep losing in elections since they can't find anyway to appeal to a larger base of constituents. Scientists suck at the game called "democracy" so autocracy it is for them ... 

It doesn't help that the representatives of science that they make enemies willingly along the way ... (theoconservatives, serving corporate pharmaceutical interests, hardcore nature lovers etc) 

Pemalite said: 


Yeah this legitimately annoys me. It's stupid.

We don't have any Nuclear power here at all... Yet it is green, plentiful... And we have a stupidly massive amount of Nuclear energy potential buried under our feet.

It's cause of their fear of nuclear meltdowns and radioactive contamination, hopefully with gen 4 nuclear reactors we'll put many of those fears to rest because finding a way to store intermittent sources like light and wind is starting to become a lot less realistic ... (nearly all of our options for storing those sources of energy have been a failure) 



Any change we make will have to have China's cooperation since they produce more co2 emissions than even the US. At this point in time, though, it might just be a good idea to move away from coastlines in the next 20-30 years.



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CaptainExplosion said:

I know it's probably just a dream at this point, especially with idiotic decisions by, ahem, a certain Western superpower since 2016, but it's still a nice thought to have.

Are there ways, any at all, to reverse climate change? Would it help if we planted new forests, reduced our garbage output, used more renewable energy sources, invested further into water bottles and re-hydration stations, etc?

I try my hardest to help out, I'm even trying to use lights that are more energy efficient. What else can we do?

• Geothermal

• Stop eating farmed meat and wild caught fish from depleting systems (mainly large fresh water lakes, oceans, seas)

• Solar panels

• Invest in wind turbines

• Don’t buy non-recyclable plastics

• Don’t purchase products from China, the US, the Brazil, and other nations who are not committed to ending climate change.

• If your space allows, plant gardens that allow for small ecosystems.



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Can we fix/stop/modify any of this?



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Depends if China gets on board, but that's highly unlikely because their rapidly expanding their coal fired power stations to somewhere in the area of generating 1200 gigawatts.
Country Fossil fuel CO2 emissions (kt) in 2016[11]

China 10,432,751
United States 5,011,687
India 2,533,638
Russia 1,661,899
Japan 1,239,592
Germany 775,752
Canada 675,919
Iran 642,560
South Korea 604,044
Indonesia 530,036
And this is 2016. Who know how much higher they are now. What this chart does expose is, no country can complete with China in manufacturing price.