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Wall Street Journal Japan Reports A New Switch Model Will Release In The Second Half Of 2019

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Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

You are comparing models who improve graphics vs a model that goes against the Switch strategy. 
Not to mention that, to take real advantage of the small increase you'd have to have a 4K TV. Another, not so cheap, extra cost.

In your words, you are comparing a core experience improvement vs a non-core experience.
Can you get how both can't really be compared? 

 

"Low price option has much higher potential for sales"
In theory.
GC's 99$ didn't cause a sales burst, did it?
Switch already has enough elements to make it appealing at 300. Lowering the price wouldn't necessarily make sales explode.

"with lower price option Switch will be much more popular among kids, families and casuals that actualy one of most impoartant part of market"
Lower price point can be achieved without the Mini model.
PS3, XB360, PS4, at least, showed that you don't need to lower the price that much or that you need to go after the kids market to sell 80+ million consoles. And Nintendo is now in this market too.

 

You don't need to directly address the kids market to actually sell to it.
Kids look up to older kids and follow trends. If you sell to the older kids you'll eventually reach the younger demograhics. 

"There is reason why Nintendo released very low price option for 3DS in form of 2DS"
How many times has Nintendo offered a model that could be deemed inferior to the original versus the number of revisions that could be deemed superior to the original version?
2DS is the exception, not the rule.
And let's not forget that if 3D has been relevant and had not caused a backlash at the time, you probably wouldn't have gotten a 2DS.
Also, an investment in 2DS, in the form of 2DS XL, was - and probably is - the last revision ever for 3DS. Before that, you had Nintendo betting on evolving the regular 3DS.

What you are basically asking is for Nintendo to simply overlook the success they had with it's current market and the weight of the Switch (hybrid concept) and just do a U turn and go back to their old ways (kids, families).
It just doesn't make sense: this new Nintendo is where they should put their money and time on - now that they are being successful.
The other market can come later. There's no rush and it would even be sending the wrong message to it's current market!

I don't comparing anything, you wrote "why should people opt for a mini version when they can't get the best experience on the original Switch? The potential of a such a model would be limited by default", I simple gave you example of another best experience.

How GC can be in that comparison when we had only one version of GC!? Again you dont make any sense, I will not even read rest of your post or even try to answer.

"I don't comparing anything"
Yes, you are:
"Buy your point Pro and X would need to be best selling option of PS4/XB1 because they offer best experience for PS4/XB1".And this is what i addressed (best experiences).

You are comparing two different realities to try and make a fair conclusion. But it's a flawed conclusion as you ignored what would be/is different between Pro/X and a Switch +.
Thus, opting for the best option in Switch +'s case would not be/isn't the same as opting for the best option in the case of Pro/X.

"Low price option has much higher potential for sales"
In theory.
GC's 99$ didn't cause a sales burst, did it?
  

You claimed that low price options have higher potential for sales.
I responded that that is not necessarily the case. And it's not because it's a revised version (specially one that results in an inferior product/experience) that really changes that.



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Miyamotoo said:
Asriel said:

You've misunderstood my post: I wasn't claiming Switch is definitely losing momentum, but rather the Wall Street Journal report states that's the reasoning behind this supposed hardware redesign. See this USGamer article for a clearer indication of what Wall Street Journal say in their original report, which is behind a paywall. 

If you read my post properly, you'll see I pointed out that a hardware refresh was only a matter time. I speculate that if Switch has lost momentum, that's likely down to this year's software line-up more than it is any hardware issue. I point out that Nintendo's major 2019 titles are yet to launch, and, importantly, that I think we should wait until Nintendo's second quarter results later this month before stating whether or not the system has lost momentum. 

I understanded you, but they are wrong, for instance "While not failing, the Switch is certainly not selling as much as in its first year when the Switch first became available in March 2017", is clearly wrong, Switch until now was selling very similar compared to last in same time period, and like you wrote this Holiday season will destroy last years.

Right - but we don't have quarter two shipment figures yet. When they come through, they might be down on the same period last year, or they might not be at the level Nintendo desire. It's still possible that's the case, but we'll only know for sure at the end of this month.



Conina said:
Nautilus said:
If they make a Switch that has no detachable joycons and its not made to dock in mind(Home console), you are severely limiting not only the Switch potential, because you are offering a worse product at the cost of little gain(The cut in costs of production would be really small), but you are potentially fracturing its own audience, due to games wither having necessity of the joycons being separated from the hardware itself, or just because of games that are played better on the TV rather than the small screen on the system.You could say that they could simply buy the acessories separetely, but then thats an extra cost, and its a hard pill for the consumer to swallow, given that they would feel that they are not getting the full experience.

 

No, it wouldn't fracture the audience. Normal joycons would of course stay 100% compatible and you can buy them later as accessories, if you want or need them for some games (and save that money if you don't want to play these few games with mandatory joycon input)

Just like Switch owners buy an optional Pro controller since Switch launch if they want it for some games. WIthout the Pro controller you don't get the full experience either. Without the Retro NES Joycons you don't get the full experience either.

Then why have the mini version if the point was to cut costs(for the custumer), if in the end they will have to buy acessories to actually be able to play every single game the system offers?And no, you dont need a pro controller to have the full experience.I mean, as far as I know, no game requires the pro controller to be played.Nor the NES Joycons.



Nautilus said:
Conina said:

No, it wouldn't fracture the audience. Normal joycons would of course stay 100% compatible and you can buy them later as accessories, if you want or need them for some games (and save that money if you don't want to play these few games with mandatory joycon input)

Just like Switch owners buy an optional Pro controller since Switch launch if they want it for some games. WIthout the Pro controller you don't get the full experience either. Without the Retro NES Joycons you don't get the full experience either.

Then why have the mini version if the point was to cut costs(for the custumer), if in the end they will have to buy acessories to actually be able to play every single game the system offers?And no, you dont need a pro controller to have the full experience.I mean, as far as I know, no game requires the pro controller to be played.Nor the NES Joycons.

They won't have to buy the accessories, it is just an OPTION. Most Switch games work perfectly fine with the Pro controller or a third party controller, many of them even better than with joycons.

How many and which Switch games only run with Joycons? Not every Switch owner wants to play 1-2-Switch.

Also Nintendo wants to bring more than one Switch system into a gamer's household. Different form factors can help with that plan. I wouldn't buy a second normal Switch with all the same advantages and disadvantages (and a second dock I don't need) for another €300... but I might buy a €200 Switch mini/lite with better battery life, lighter weight and smaller dimensions for mobile use additional to my standard Switch, which would stay in the dock.

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Conina said:
Nautilus said:

Then why have the mini version if the point was to cut costs(for the custumer), if in the end they will have to buy acessories to actually be able to play every single game the system offers?And no, you dont need a pro controller to have the full experience.I mean, as far as I know, no game requires the pro controller to be played.Nor the NES Joycons.

They won't have to buy the accessories, it is just an OPTION. Most Switch games work perfectly fine with the Pro controller or a third party controller, many of them even better than with joycons.

How many and which Switch games only run with Joycons? Not every Switch owner wants to play 1-2-Switch.

Also Nintendo wants to bring more than one Switch system into a gamer's household. Different form factors can help with that plan. I wouldn't buy a second normal Switch with all the same advantages and disadvantages (and a second dock I don't need) for another €300... but I might buy a €200 Switch mini/lite with better battery life, lighter weight and smaller dimensions for mobile use additional to my standard Switch, which would stay in the dock.

Another mistake that gamers make is to think that having more options is always better.Ill quote Delio because he basically encaptures what I think about this subject:

"An improved Switch is the most reasonable option.

Price wise, if the improved version is more expensive, then, by comparison, the Switch OG model would look cheaper. And with time, with lowering price you'd eventually reach another audience without the need to compromise your future.
An improved version would, in theory, allow for more multiplats and ports to arrive to the system.

A mini version that makes it a handheld is the same as rejecting what make the Switch a success, it would also make it seem like an inferior product. Why should people opt for a mini version when they can't get the best experience on the original Switch? The potential of a such a model would be limited by default.
Not to mention how certain games would be affected by the fact you wouldn't be able to detach the controllers.

One of the main reasons that made Wii U fail was poor comunication.
Having the communicate that you have two devices that do not work the same would sound messy and awkward. Not the best thing when you want to market multiple products."

One thing that I would add is that it makes more sense to launch a Switch Pro(that just bumps things like battery life, screen resolution and so on) after the base Switch has already been discounted, so you would have 200 or 250 dollars version and a 300 or 350 dollars version.And for that, the base version still needs to be discounted.So thats why I dont think this revision is comming in 2019, even if I do believe it will happen(A Pro version, not a mini one)

For your question of how many games need the joycons, out of the top of my head I know that 1-2 Switch, Super Mario Party requires joy cons.Pretty sure there are more games.But not only that, but there are also games that have exclusive features that revolves around the functionalities of the Joycons, such as Mario Tennis with its motion controls, Senran Kagura(For whoever likes those games lol) and probably many more in the future.Not to mention that you lose alot of value not having them detachable, since you basically come with a second controller out of the box that you dont have to pay extra to have.



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More options is better. Sony is better off with PS4 + PS4 Pro. Microsoft is way better off with XB1 + XB1X, infact sales of both of these systems would be showing late gen fatigue by this point without those new models, instead they are performing very well. Apple is way better of with multiple iPhone models.

The whole "one model for everyone" is a tired and outdated 1980s concept. 



If they make the dock less likely/unable to scratch the screen, that would be nice. Though after thinking about it, I probably wouldn't trust it at this point and just get a screen protector.
I'm guessing a priority for this supposed revision would be to eliminate the hardware oversight that lets people mod the Switch fairly easily.
I don't know if I'd expect a Lite version of Switch next year already, but I suppose it's possible for a system where form factor is important.



I think it's more likely to be a Pro version (I actually would prefer the name Super Switch, reminiscent of Super Nintendo). Go watch SuperMetalDave64's and RevieTechUSA's Youtube Channels. They both have leak sources confirming the Pro version.



Fight-the-Streets said:
I think it's more likely to be a Pro version (I actually would prefer the name Super Switch, reminiscent of Super Nintendo). Go watch SuperMetalDave64's and RevieTechUSA's Youtube Channels. They both have leak sources confirming the Pro version.

Wasnt SuperMetalDave the guy who swore up and down that Nintendo was going with AMD instead of Nvidia and it would be more powerful than PS4? Ya I dont trust his leaks.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

I could see them doing it with or without detachable Joycons.

It is just a matter of what choices they make.

Joycon only games use separate Joycon either way, its just a matter of if they are stowed and charged by the handheld unit or not.

I think the clam shell design makes the most sense for portability and compatibility, but the joycon-less design would obviously be the cheapest manufacturing wise.

Maybe they have more imaginative engineering, who knows, but I think the goal whichever way they go is to have this new model ready for next year to launch at $199 along side Pokemon 2019 or Animal Crossing.