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Wall Street Journal Japan Reports A New Switch Model Will Release In The Second Half Of 2019

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Perhaps in addition to a Switch Lite that could be $199, they may also do a price cut for the original model. Although I don’t think they’d go lower than $249.



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potato_hamster said:
This'll be the same ol' horse and pony show. You're looking at slightly improved specs that only a handful of games that will take advantage of, better battery life, maybe a larger screen with a smaller bezel. Nintendo painted themselves into a corner by making the Joycons a certain size and by making games that require their use exclusively.

It doesn't have to be. Every Switch game has to be scalable by default and already has two graphic presets. Adding a third preset for the docked mode of a stronger Switch (f.e. dynamic 1080p or native 1080p) shouldn't be that hard for developers.

In portable mode Nintendo could offer  the choice between the old docked mode (better graphics) or the old undocked mode (better battery life.

A Switch mini with integrated sticks and buttons would be able to use standard joycons as accessories in tabletop mode or TV mode (wireless connection) and be 100% compatible to the standard Switch. So if you want to play with joycons, you buy them as accessory... if you aren't interested in the joycon features, you save that money.

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Jranation said:
Dulfite said:
If Animal Crossing multiplayer can be more enjoyed with two switches (instead of split screen) in terms of features and functionality, then I am interested in getting a second switch for my wife. If they release a cheaper and smaller one, that rises to a strong leaning towards that purchase.

Has there been a Split Screen Animal Crossing? 

Uh, not what I meant. I just mean I hope they do this instead of going the split screen route. That being said, I think the one on Wii had some kind of local multiplayer, but I could be wrong?



People need to stop with the "Nintendo wouldn't do that" nonsense.

This is a new Nintendo it has been since Iwata passed away, really probably before then when they announced they would make smartphone games. The old timers like Miyamoto are not as involved with the decision making these days either. 

People said Nintendo wouldn't do paid DLC ... wrong. Wouldn't do smartphone games. Wrong. Wouldn't do a hybrid console because there must be distinct home console and portable systems. Wrong. Wouldn't do gatcha style smartphone transactions. Wrong. Wouldn't do paid online. Wrong.

Nintendo does a lot of things today that would've been unthinkable really 3 years ago even. IMO Switch is going to adopt an Apple like hardware policy where you are going to see a lot of hardware refreshes. Sony/MS already opened that door with PS4 Pro and XBox One X too ... those are making a lot of money and keeping hardware sales for those lines strong into their 6th+ year. Don't think Nintendo didn't notice (the same way they noticed paid online makes Sony + MS a a shit ton of money).

Consumers by and large *want* hardware upgrades, people expect it today, it's not 1998 anymore. PS4 Pro, XB1X have been resoundingly successful, a Switch Pro is inevitable, so is a Switch Lite/Slim, wouldn't surprise me if both are 2019. It makes MONEY, having a premium top end hardware class + lower end mid-tier makes a lot money. It does for Apple, it is for Sony, it is for Microsoft, Nintendo is not stupid. They know they can make good money doing the same type of thing. This will be more than just a DS Lite/3DS XL type refresh too. 



Yay, time to speculate!
Switch+ and switch-, both with improved processors (smaller transistors?)
Switch+ would have the same size, and improve the screen to 1080 and let it a little larger. Runs the dock preset on portable mode (you can optionally turn of to drain less battery), better screen and larger battery. Still 300$. Marketed as the improved version of switch.
Switch- would be smaller and slimmer and controls attached, with the better battery. Comes with a mini dock (finally a official release of a nintendo made mini dock). Runs only portable preset, even when is on dock. 200$. Marketed for portable players and second switch for those who already have one. All acessories work.
The current switch would be priced at 250$.



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Miyamotoo said:
Nautilus said:

But thats the problem.The Switch is not a handheld, its a hybrid.You could say that since its half handheld, it would inherit not only its traits but also its overall market strategies.But the same can be said about its home console side, and we know how many revisions they had, and how often they are.Personally, it dosent make sense.Nintendo would be wasting an Ace they would have in their sleeves too early instead of using one that is more natural at this stage and would have a far bigger impact without a secong SKU in the market, which is the price cut.Not to mention that, if they introduce the Switch Pro(Because it wont be a Switch mini that is entirely handheld, thats never going to happen, just plain wont) after the price cut, they can make more people double dip, than if they release said SKU before the price drop.The facts simply dosent add up.

I have no doubt in my mind that Nintendo is already hard at work in an improved Switch, but I dont think its comming in 2019 at all.And about the rumor:No matter that the report is about Nintendo making something, if people want to talk about wether its a Pro, or a Mini, or a Switch Station or whatever, with the details that there is on the report, its simply too vague to make one conclusion or another.

Current Switch is hybrid buy concept but its handheld hardware. You need to start looking at Switch like platform not just single device, look at 3DS, 3DS, 3DS XL, New 3DS, New 3DS XL, 2DS, 2DS XL, they are all part of 3DS platfor, Switch will defiantly have multiply revisons, I can bet that Switch will at least have low price offer of platform (Switch Mini/Pocket), mid price offer of Switch (current Switch model) and higher price point offer (Switch Pro). Talking about cheaper Switch Mini/Pocket that will definatly happen in same way, think about 2DS, it dont have 3D, it dont have clamshell design, some 3DS games cant work on it at all, but Nintendo releases it simple because they made much more affordible offer of 3DS family compared to regular 3DS.

Every handheld revision come out after around 2 years of launch of handheld, and with point that 3DS is dying and Nintendo will left whithout low price offer on market, it make much more sense to release low price offer on Switch not more stronger and more pricey offer of Switch platform, espacily when want to start selling like one-per-person instead one-per-household like is curently selling.

Its also worth mentioning that Pokemon rearly happening without a cheaper revision for maximum reach in their targer audience, and next year will also have Animal Crossing and Pokemon gen 8. So Nintendo probable planned cheaper version to be ready for AC and Pokemon launch.

Gamers are too attached to past trends and always forget to analise current situations and possible future scenarios based on these present trends.Its not because that the DS and 3DS had multiple revisions and SKUs that the Switch will have one.Its not because that the Switch have mobile components that Nintendo will treat it more like a handheld than a home console(Data shows that the use betwenn both modes are about equal).Look at what is currently happening, not only looking at what happened already.

What is happening already:Nintendo heavily markets and develop games that uses both modes, not to mention that they market the hardware as a hybrid.What does that mean: They wont jeoparfize that vision, that focus just to have a small bump in profits.It would hurt the long term strategy and thus, the viability of the system.If they make a Switch that has no detachable joycons and its not made to dock in mind(Home console), you are severely limiting not only the Switch potential, because you are offering a worse product at the cost of little gain(The cut in costs of production would be really small), but you are potentially fracturing its own audience, due to games wither having necessity of the joycons being separated from the hardware itself, or just because of games that are played better on the TV rather than the small screen on the system.You could say that they could simply buy the acessories separetely, but then thats an extra cost, and its a hard pill for the consumer to swallow, given that they would feel that they are not getting the full experience.

Plus, your example with the myriad of 3DS revisions is simply not good.When the 3DS did have its downgrade, the 2DS, it never fundamentally hurted the 3DS appeal or system.You still played the same games, in the only way they could be played.You would lose the 3D sure, but the 3D never added anything fundamentally essential to the games, and thus it made no real difference.The Switch is quite the contrary, you are literally robbing its customer 50% of the system appeal if you make it purely a home console or a handheld console.It would make Nintendo life a living hell:It would make the Switch that much harder to market, it would muddle the Switch message and meaning to the overall market, some games would not function with certain SKUs, or simply would not be as good as they should have been because they were more envisioned to be played in a certain way, and so on.

And yet Pokemon Lets go is happening later this year, and so hardware revision is to be seen.I know its not a core title, but Nintendo and the Pokemon Company are trying their hardest to make it sell like one.Animal Crossing has its best selling titles in handheld systems, but that never stopped the home consoles games selling well too(City Folk sold close to 5 million in the Wii according to VGC).Stop looking sorely on the past.Records and cultures are set because someone decided to take the first step somewhere along the way, and Nintendo is the most famous company in the industry to innovate.

Plus, let me ask you this question:Why do you think that its easier to have a cheaper option by making a new SKU, rather than simply dropping the price on the SKU that, for as far as we know, is probably using the cheapest parts possible for the performance Nintendo was going for?



Soundwave said:

People need to stop with the "Nintendo wouldn't do that" nonsense.

This is a new Nintendo it has been since Iwata passed away, really probably before then when they announced they would make smartphone games. The old timers like Miyamoto are not as involved with the decision making these days either. 

People said Nintendo wouldn't do paid DLC ... wrong. Wouldn't do smartphone games. Wrong. Wouldn't do a hybrid console because there must be distinct home console and portable systems. Wrong. Wouldn't do gatcha style smartphone transactions. Wrong. Wouldn't do paid online. Wrong.

Nintendo does a lot of things today that would've been unthinkable really 3 years ago even. IMO Switch is going to adopt an Apple like hardware policy where you are going to see a lot of hardware refreshes. Sony/MS already opened that door with PS4 Pro and XBox One X too ... those are making a lot of money and keeping hardware sales for those lines strong into their 6th+ year. Don't think Nintendo didn't notice (the same way they noticed paid online makes Sony + MS a a shit ton of money).

Consumers by and large *want* hardware upgrades, people expect it today, it's not 1998 anymore. PS4 Pro, XB1X have been resoundingly successful, a Switch Pro is inevitable, so is a Switch Lite/Slim, wouldn't surprise me if both are 2019. It makes MONEY, having a premium top end hardware class + lower end mid-tier makes a lot money. It does for Apple, it is for Sony, it is for Microsoft, Nintendo is not stupid. They know they can make good money doing the same type of thing. This will be more than just a DS Lite/3DS XL type refresh too. 

I agree. But I think Switch Pro will arive in 2020 or 2021. In 2019 we may see Switch Lite and price cut.



Nautilus said:
If they make a Switch that has no detachable joycons and its not made to dock in mind(Home console), you are severely limiting not only the Switch potential, because you are offering a worse product at the cost of little gain(The cut in costs of production would be really small), but you are potentially fracturing its own audience, due to games wither having necessity of the joycons being separated from the hardware itself, or just because of games that are played better on the TV rather than the small screen on the system.You could say that they could simply buy the acessories separetely, but then thats an extra cost, and its a hard pill for the consumer to swallow, given that they would feel that they are not getting the full experience.

 

No, it wouldn't fracture the audience. Normal joycons would of course stay 100% compatible and you can buy them later as accessories, if you want or need them for some games (and save that money if you don't want to play these few games with mandatory joycon input)

Just like Switch owners buy an optional Pro controller since Switch launch if they want it for some games. WIthout the Pro controller you don't get the full experience either. Without the Retro NES Joycons you don't get the full experience either.



Nautilus said:
Miyamotoo said:

Current Switch is hybrid buy concept but its handheld hardware. You need to start looking at Switch like platform not just single device, look at 3DS, 3DS, 3DS XL, New 3DS, New 3DS XL, 2DS, 2DS XL, they are all part of 3DS platfor, Switch will defiantly have multiply revisons, I can bet that Switch will at least have low price offer of platform (Switch Mini/Pocket), mid price offer of Switch (current Switch model) and higher price point offer (Switch Pro). Talking about cheaper Switch Mini/Pocket that will definatly happen in same way, think about 2DS, it dont have 3D, it dont have clamshell design, some 3DS games cant work on it at all, but Nintendo releases it simple because they made much more affordible offer of 3DS family compared to regular 3DS.

Every handheld revision come out after around 2 years of launch of handheld, and with point that 3DS is dying and Nintendo will left whithout low price offer on market, it make much more sense to release low price offer on Switch not more stronger and more pricey offer of Switch platform, espacily when want to start selling like one-per-person instead one-per-household like is curently selling.

Its also worth mentioning that Pokemon rearly happening without a cheaper revision for maximum reach in their targer audience, and next year will also have Animal Crossing and Pokemon gen 8. So Nintendo probable planned cheaper version to be ready for AC and Pokemon launch.

Gamers are too attached to past trends and always forget to analise current situations and possible future scenarios based on these present trends.Its not because that the DS and 3DS had multiple revisions and SKUs that the Switch will have one.Its not because that the Switch have mobile components that Nintendo will treat it more like a handheld than a home console(Data shows that the use betwenn both modes are about equal).Look at what is currently happening, not only looking at what happened already.

What is happening already:Nintendo heavily markets and develop games that uses both modes, not to mention that they market the hardware as a hybrid.What does that mean: They wont jeoparfize that vision, that focus just to have a small bump in profits.It would hurt the long term strategy and thus, the viability of the system.If they make a Switch that has no detachable joycons and its not made to dock in mind(Home console), you are severely limiting not only the Switch potential, because you are offering a worse product at the cost of little gain(The cut in costs of production would be really small), but you are potentially fracturing its own audience, due to games wither having necessity of the joycons being separated from the hardware itself, or just because of games that are played better on the TV rather than the small screen on the system.You could say that they could simply buy the acessories separetely, but then thats an extra cost, and its a hard pill for the consumer to swallow, given that they would feel that they are not getting the full experience.

Plus, your example with the myriad of 3DS revisions is simply not good.When the 3DS did have its downgrade, the 2DS, it never fundamentally hurted the 3DS appeal or system.You still played the same games, in the only way they could be played.You would lose the 3D sure, but the 3D never added anything fundamentally essential to the games, and thus it made no real difference.The Switch is quite the contrary, you are literally robbing its customer 50% of the system appeal if you make it purely a home console or a handheld console.It would make Nintendo life a living hell:It would make the Switch that much harder to market, it would muddle the Switch message and meaning to the overall market, some games would not function with certain SKUs, or simply would not be as good as they should have been because they were more envisioned to be played in a certain way, and so on.

And yet Pokemon Lets go is happening later this year, and so hardware revision is to be seen.I know its not a core title, but Nintendo and the Pokemon Company are trying their hardest to make it sell like one.Animal Crossing has its best selling titles in handheld systems, but that never stopped the home consoles games selling well too(City Folk sold close to 5 million in the Wii according to VGC).Stop looking sorely on the past.Records and cultures are set because someone decided to take the first step somewhere along the way, and Nintendo is the most famous company in the industry to innovate.

Plus, let me ask you this question:Why do you think that its easier to have a cheaper option by making a new SKU, rather than simply dropping the price on the SKU that, for as far as we know, is probably using the cheapest parts possible for the performance Nintendo was going for?

I actually giving points based on current and past situation. Do you want to bet that Switch will have more than one revision?

Over 95% of games would still work in both modes in any case, and actualy if Switch Mini/Pocket has support for Joy Cons that would mean same support. They dont jeoparfize anuthing, main vision behind Switch is unifed platform, supporting and making games just for one platform instead of two difrent platforms like before, Switch Mini/Pocket, current Switch, Switch Pro, or even Switch TV, would be all part of same platform. Much more afordible Switch that would primarly targeting kids, families, casuals and actual Nintendo goal itself off on device per person, is not small profit gain, it would be huge profit because we talking about probably most important market for Nintendo. Again, you are not limiting anuthing, you have simple more offers from same platform for difrent type of users. Costs save wouldnt be small at all, smaller Switch, less parts, smaller screen, no dock, probably no JoyCons and built in controls, no HDMI cable, smaller package, smaller shipping costs...I talking around $100 price point difrence compared to regular Switch. Of Course they would probably buy accessories separately, and Nintendo was doing those similar things from N64 until 3DS, some N64 games required Expansion Pack, some DS games could be played only on DSi, some Wii games could be played only with Remote+, some 3DS games could be played only New 3DS, not even on 2DS was released after New 3DS, talking about extrat cost Nintendo even released 3DS on sale without charger in package in order to offer lower price point, but at end point is simple, different types of hardware and different price points for difrent type of consumers. You talking about full expariance, if someone wants full expariance he can just buy more regular Switch, if someone dont want full experience and want more handheld experience and more affordable Switch, he will buy more Switch Mini/Pocket, if some one wants best experience that Switch offers he will buy most higher price option Switch Pro.

Like I wrote, main point of 3DS is 3D, and they ditch that option and even completely changed DS design in order to have much more affordable offer of 3DS family. No, actualy you cant play all 3DS games on 2DS, some 3DS games work only on New 3DS. I already explained about why all that wouldn't be any problem for Switch, current Switch would still be main product, but you will had low price option and hither price option.

Yes, they could make Pokemon Lets Go this year but full next gen Pokemon game can be finished next year, and it would be too early in any case to release hardware revision only after one year. City Folk sold close to 5 million in the Wii that had 101m install base and yet New Leaf sold 12m on 70m install base on 3DS. I dont looking sorley on the past I looking in future, and Nintendo will soon need low price option if they want agresivly to target kids, families, casuals and actual Nintendo goal itself off on device per person.

Simple because new version of hardware would make them cut costs much more and that means much more afordible price point, and simple because current Switch is not most practical for people that preferring handheld play and espacily not most practical for kids. Why you think Nintendo released 2DS and not just onother 3DS clamshell redesign, because they made huge costs cut with 2DS and thats why 2DS is much more afordible than classic 3DS even than 2DS XL, and 2DS design is far more practical and durable for kids than 3DS.



I'd expect a model designed to bring the price down, but that might not mean any drastic changes - I don't think Nintendo will want to splinter the market and remove the modular nature of the Switch by, for example, releasing a 'handheld only' version. Manufacturing yields and nips and tucks in design could easily help them bring the shelf price down a little without making any radical changes to the device.

What interests me is that WSJ report that the hardware refresh is coming about because Nintendo are concerned about Switch's sales momentum. While a redesign was inevitable at some point, 2019 feels slightly too early to me - I thought 2020 was a lock, especially given major sellers like Mario Bros, Animal Crossing and Pokemon are already scheduled for 2019, and we've yet to see what Super Mario Party, Pokemon Let's Go and Smash Ultimate do for hardware sales. I think we'll have a much better indication of whether or not a redesign is coming by the end of the month, when Nintendo release Q2 numbers. If Switch shipments are down or flat on last year, then it's entirely possible Nintendo are concerned the system is losing momentum.

However, that would just show Nintendo are still all over the place in their thinking - Switch hasn't had a major system selling release for 12 months now. Are Nintendo seriously surprised they lost some momentum by leaning on ports, experimental software and middle-tier games for a year? Are they really going to schedule a hardware redesign without waiting to see how the next six months go? Switch could generate a huge amount of momentum over the next few months, especially if Mario Party and Bros sell strongly alongside Pokemon and Smash. Maybe this redesign is part of the plan to get multiple Switch systems in each household, but if it's a reaction to slowing sales, then I'd be a bit concerned, because it suggests Nintendo still don't understand that they need to release their major titles consistently and evenly throughout the year to maintain a strong baseline.

Let's see what happens at the Q2 results, anyway.