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Would You Like to See a New Dedicated Handheld from Nintendo?

Yes, within the next year or two 138 12.96%
 
Yes, but not for a few years yet 120 11.27%
 
No, hybrid consoles from now on 633 59.44%
 
No, I don't like/use handhelds 174 16.34%
 
Total:1,065

Not specifically a Nintendo fan but personally I think they need a true handheld as well because in all honesty the Switch is not very portable and not feasible for the majority of situations. I enjoy my Switch but in all honesty I cant carry it around with me without a laptop bag or something similar where my PSVita could just be put in my pocket. But I am personally a bigger fan of the Switch than the 3DS, the 3DS screen resolution was just to low for me. But my fiance prefers the 3DS to the Switch because of its portability. She takes it with her to college and plays it on her downtime between classes, she does not want to lug the Switch along with her as she already has to take so much.

 

I am not going to vote due to this primarily being a Nintendo fan discussion. Just thought I would put in my 2 cents as a Switch/3DS owner. (I own a 2DS and a New 3DS)



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RolStoppable said:

The idea is laughed at for three main reasons:

1. Comparisons between Switch and other consoles usually are LTD for Switch vs. lifetime of other consoles.
2. Quality of released first party games is deemed to be of little to no relevance.
3. Third party support gets conveniently ignored.

 

I agree with 1-3, which were actually arguments I put against the person I replied to (I said 1 when I explained that Switch is focusing on a length vs. short term release schedule which means a console that lasts longer and has more content at the end of the hardware's life, and I said 3 when I explained that unless you are including third party titles the release schedule on switch is actually pretty similar to that of a handheld + home console lineup of the past, especially when you cut out the unoriginal content on both sides), except for 2 which I think just speaks for itself given the status of Odyssey and BOTW. Seems like we agree but you just cut out the first part of my reply, which I really only used to sympathize with the person's perspective. For example in the next point you make you say "regarding your other argument", when in fact the first part you are replying to is not even an argument. My argument is everything you cut out, which is conveniently the part you agree with. 

Regarding your other argument that Switch as a hybrid is a handheld device, it's pretty obvious that a hybrid needs to be of a size that allows it to be legitimately portable. How else do you imagine a hybrid?

Of course that is a no-brainer. My point is that the concept of a "hybrid" more so lives in the plane of practicality and not so much in the literal sense. In the literal sense, the Switch is already a handheld device. Whether or not it's "dedicated" is up for debate I guess, but it is portable. If a new Switch released that was catered more towards the portable crowd then it would still most likely have dock capabilities, even if it released without a dock. It would still be a portable device because everything needed for the system to work is in the handheld. But with how people actually use it in their day to day lives, yes, it is a hybrid. 

Last edited by AngryLittleAlchemist - on 01 October 2018

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
RolStoppable said:

The idea is laughed at for three main reasons:

1. Comparisons between Switch and other consoles usually are LTD for Switch vs. lifetime of other consoles.
2. Quality of released first party games is deemed to be of little to no relevance.
3. Third party support gets conveniently ignored.

I agree with 1-3, which were actually arguments I put against the person I replied to (I said 1 when I explained that Switch is focusing on a length vs. short term release schedule which means a console that lasts longer and has more content at the end of the hardware's life, and I said 3 when I explained that unless you are including third party titles the release schedule on switch is actually pretty similar to that of a handheld + home console lineup of the past, especially when you cut out the unoriginal content on both sides), except for 2 which I think just speaks for itself given the status of Odyssey and BOTW. Seems like we agree but you just cut out the first part of my reply, which I really only used to sympathize with the person's perspective. For example in the next point you make you say "regarding your other argument", when in fact the first part you are replying to to is not even an argument. My argument is everything you cut out, which is conveniently the part you agree with. 

Regarding your other argument that Switch as a hybrid is a handheld device, it's pretty obvious that a hybrid needs to be of a size that allows it to be legitimately portable. How else do you imagine a hybrid?

Of course that is a no-brainer. My point is that the concept of a "hybrid" more so lives in the plane of practicality and not so much in the literal sense. In the literal sense, the Switch is already a handheld device. Whether or not it's "dedicated" is up for debate I guess, but it is portable. If a new Switch released that was catered more towards the portable crowd then it would still most likely have dock capabilities, even if it released without a dock. It would still be a portable device because everything needed for the system to work is in the handheld. But with how people actually use it in their day to day lives, yes, it is a hybrid. 

I skimmed most of your post that opened with sympathy, because it started on the wrong foot. Yes, we agree for the most part, but don't make people believe that they have sort of valid points when they are posting rants, because it will put yourself in a position where you have to type essays to refute an argument. The one crucial point I didn't see you address is that Switch has yet to enter the phase where it is Nintendo's only console. The 3DS saw continued good support throughout 2017 and into 2018, so many of Nintendo's development teams had yet to begin development of Switch software in earnest.

The second half is semantics. 'Dedicated' in the context of video games refers to a device that is about playing video games, but that's not a point I touched on in my previous post. I think we are better off by agreeing that all these semantics won't be worth the time it would take to dissect them.



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With all Nintendos major franchises hitting the Switch, I don't see the need for a DS successor.



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RolStoppable said:

I skimmed most of your post that opened with sympathy, because it started on the wrong foot. Yes, we agree for the most part, but don't make people believe that they have sort of valid points when they are posting rants, because it will put yourself in a position where you have to type essays to refute an argument. The one crucial point I didn't see you address is that Switch has yet to enter the phase where it is Nintendo's only console. The 3DS saw continued good support throughout 2017 and into 2018, so many of Nintendo's development teams had yet to begin development of Switch software in earnest.

The second half is semantics. 'Dedicated' in the context of video games refers to a device that is about playing video games, but that's not a point I touched on in my previous post. I think we are better off by agreeing that all these semantics won't be worth the time it would take to dissect them.

I think that most opinions regarding entertainment are not "valid or invalid" though. That's why I opened my post with sympathy. Hell, I've had many times where I thought the Switch was trash. Mine was collecting a lot of dust until very recently (and the process of rehabilitation only started because certain users were kind enough to gift me a game). It's all about the arguments and how well you support them. And really, that user didn't support his points well. His reception of the Switch isn't inherently wrong, his way of trying to rationalize and back up those sentiments just used faulty arguments. 

And I should have made that point. I actually meant to but sort of forgot, took a while to write that reply. However if you see the list of games I showed for 3DS and GBA that were also ports/reimaginings/remasters/collections I mention Mario Party Top 100 and Metroid: Samus Returns. It should kind of be self evident then that a big factor is support for the 3DS, although I'm sure he already knows about that and doesn't care.

We don't even have to discuss it, the work is done. Look at my Mar127 reply chain. 



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The Switch is great. Good quality Nintendo home console that's also the most powerful handheld ever by a wide margin. If they want to make a pure handheld, just make a smaller Switch with a longer battery life to facilitate longer play sessions and no dock or detachable joycons in order to reduce unit costs. Something like the fan-made "Switch Mini" mock-ups made some months back.

Going back to a traditional handheld that's its own distinct platform two generations less powerful than current-gen consoles would necessitate dividing their development efforts across two systems again. I'd much rather see Nintendo put all their franchises on a single platform that can serve as both a handheld and home console. The Switch is the perfect marriage of the two.

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AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I think that most opinions regarding entertainment are not "valid or invalid" though. That's why I opened my post with sympathy. Hell, I've had many times where I thought the Switch was trash. Mine was collecting a lot of dust until very recently (and the process of rehabilitation only started because certain users were kind enough to gift me a game). It's all about the arguments and how well you support them. And really, that user didn't support his points well. His reception of the Switch isn't inherently wrong, his way of trying to rationalize and back up those sentiments just used faulty arguments. 

And I should have made that point. I actually meant to but sort of forgot, took a while to write that reply. However if you see the list of games I showed for 3DS and GBA that were also ports/reimaginings/remasters/collections I mention Mario Party Top 100 and Metroid: Samus Returns. It should kind of be self evident then that a big factor is support for the 3DS, although I'm sure he already knows about that and doesn't care.

We don't even have to discuss it, the work is done. Look at my Mar127 reply chain. 

It's certainly not a black or white thing when it comes to opinions on entertainment, but in this specific case we've had measurable metrics such as quantity of game releases, so objective conclusions can be made and not every opinion is valid.

I can see why you had sympathy when you were guilty of the same type of rants yourself in the past. In any case, I don't think anything more needs to be said from either one of us, but you are of course free to get in the last word.



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Entirely possible to have Switch variants that are mobile only and console only.
But if they release a mobile-only variant, I hope they at-least include a decent display this time.



benji232 said:
Dulfite said:
I don't think my preferred choice is on the poll. I want them to create a new handheld, but with the same library and gaming capabilities of the regular Switch. I don't want it to be weaker or stronger than the Switch, causing the studios to be split up again making games for either or the other. I want the studios to stay unified making games for the same platform, but I do want Nintendo to make a cheaper, smaller, better battery, and portable only option for the Switch (though I'm not sure the name would make sense then).

Then where are all the games lol? Where is our unified library? In 2018, we got ……………………… A Kirby platformer and Mario tennis. Sick Unified library Nintendo... Nah, I'd prefer get 2 platforms since were obviously netting way less games then before.

1) Fairly certain the 1st party output is already greater than either the Wii U or 3ds had on their own at this point. I could be wrong, and if I am look at the next point.

2) Nintendo themselves admitted to just recently getting over the hurdles of developing HD games, so they should be more consistent from here on out.

3) The Switch has been out like a year and a half, and seeing as it usually takes developers a couple years to make a game, I'd imagine many of them are close to having their game ready.

4) Nintendo only announces huge games more than 6 months away, and even then quite a few big ones, a ton of good ones, and a butt load of indie games get announced with only a few months or weeks to spare (sometimes that day).



Pemalite said:
Entirely possible to have Switch variants that are mobile only and console only.
But if they release a mobile-only variant, I hope they at-least include a decent display this time.

I doubt it, I definitely think Nintendo will make mobile and console only variants but more than likely they will also do as much cost cutting as possible for these skus. They will be the equivalent of 2DS to 3DS and PS TV to Vita.

I could see a 1080p Switch Pro that retains the hybrid form factor thoughm



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