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Should Brett Kavanaugh SCOTUS Nomination Continue?

Yes 53 47.32%
 
No 41 36.61%
 
Trump should pick a new canidate 18 16.07%
 
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PwerlvlAmy said:
collint0101 said:

he has a history of ruling against the epa and the the 2 presidents he has ties to both have a history of actively working against environmentalism. its not fear mongering its called looking at precedent 

Ehh we'll see what comes from it if he gets confirmed.  

That's a strange attitude to take towards someone you're hiring. Wouldn't you want to know how they'd do on the job before hiring them?

What I'm really curious about now though is, what exactly are you hoping for from this guy? Are you an environmentalist? Are you pro big, international business over small businesses or consumers? Are you anti-abortion? What do you think this guy will be the decided vote on that you're excited about? Because if you're calling accusations that he'll be anti-environment and anti-consumer fear mongering, that suggests you think those are things worth being afraid of. If you didn't, you'd just say "who cares if he's anti-environment!" or "I think all his anti-environment decisions are correct!" or whatever the case may be for each issue.



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NightlyPoe said:
collint0101 said:

Are you saying that we should side with companies that put profit over everything else instead of the organization that actually has a reason to give a damn about the environment

What I am saying is that a judge should never make a ruling based simply on whose name they like better when they look at the docket.

So I again ask you to cite a decision of Kavanaugh's and explain why that decision is in error.  If you cannot, then you have no grounds to complain about his rulings.

Why should he bother? You'd just say you agree with Kavanaugh. I sincerely doubt you'd accept it if he listed a specific "this entity v this entity" case and what it was about and why he disagreed, and while I'm sure you'll claim that you'll play fair, it'd still be a waste of time. He shouldn't have to have a damn law degree so as to be able to make a detailed argument against a specific decision, he should just be able to know that in general, it seems Kavanaugh frequently rules in favor of large corporations over environmental organizations, and be able to suspect a bias there. You can make arguments for and against large corporations and have them make enough sense that it doesn't just look like the judges wrote "because we say so" as the reasoning. That's why we have the nomination process in the first place. You think the Republicans know in detail every court case he's done? Of course they don't! They know he's decided the way they want, and that's all they care about. So long as a judge has the credentials and recommendations to suggest he writes strong, sound opinions in his rulings, it's easy to argue that he's "qualified". There are tons of liberal judges one could say that about too that they "never make rulings based simply on whose name they like better" yet you'd probably call out some pro-environment decision and call it wrong just as collin would call out an anti-environment decision and call it wrong. Being able to name drop cases and why you disagree with them is not a requirement for being against a particular judge. A person can easily be aware that a judge's decisions tend to lean a certain way and not like the bias they see. That is grounds enough. If choosing a judge were entirely about the quality of the reasoning they use when writing the opinions in their rulings, the President wouldn't choose judges, and the Senate would have no say. It would be an independent legal organization's duty to determine who to nominate. It might honestly be better that way, I don't know.



melbye said:

Of course they will try to discredit Amy Coney Barret, she is a Trump-nominee and the democrats have pretty much decided any Trump-nominee will be unacceptable

Honestly, he could nominate the most "liberal" judge around and the Democrats  would still do everything they can to block the nomination. As for the current situation, innocent until proven guilty is all I can say.



Put him on a polygraph test, if he refuses then cancel his appointment



melbye said:
Hiku said:

"Some thing", sure.
Probably not if I'm;

a.) Accused of a violent crime because I'm unable to restrain myself
b.) when there are GOP senators who can do the aggressive yelling and threatening for me, like Lindsey Graham
c.) while my accuser, who has also been accused of lying and received countless death threats, was extremely calm and collected
d.) all the while I constantly oppose to an investigation into these claims, that would only make me look more credible if I were innocent.
If I was innocent, I would BEG for an FBI investigation.

He was painting a rather wholesome picture of himself, but we saw his mask come off during the hearing.
And that's all aside from the fact that he's also applying for a job where he's supposed to be able to make calm and rational decisions under pressure, not lie under oath, and as part of his oath put aside partisanship. Instead he threatened "the left" that "what goes around comes around".

They are trying to destroy his life, of course it's going to be hard to remain calm and collected under those circumstances, i can't believe that you take that as him being guilty. This thing is a fucking farce and people have a right to be angry

Denying him a promotion doesn't destroy his life. Convicting him of attempted rape or other sexual crime would ruin his life, but that isn't what's happening. It's just a job interview. If he's rejected, he goes back to his cushy lifetime judge appointment.



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NightlyPoe said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Denying him a promotion doesn't destroy his life. Convicting him of attempted rape or other sexual crime would ruin his life, but that isn't what's happening. It's just a job interview. If he's rejected, he goes back to his cushy lifetime judge appointment.

Whether he gets confirmed or not, Kavanaugh's life will never be the same.  This will follow him forever.

It won't be ruined though, and confirming him won't fix whatever damage Ford may have caused.



melbye said:
CosmicSex said:

What's wrong with people fighting for what they believe in.  

If Roe v Wade is so important that they are willing to destroy a man's life over it because they THINK he will try to repeal it then there is no hope for humanity

Perfectly said, and that was my original point.  The Demos are convinced that in a possible, future ruling, that Kavanaugh will be the deciding vote to outlaw abortion in the United States. 

Hence, these shenanigans started with Diane Feinstein and have only continued with other pro-choice Demos, whether they hold office or are just ordinary citizens.  They are passionately AGAINST Kavanaugh and are willing to try anything, no matter how desperate or unethical, to stop his nomination.



Jaicee said:

Yesterday, I made it through another day without being confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court and my life (such as it is) wasn't ruined or anything! Just passing along the update.

I didn't know you were ever a SCOTUS nominee?  Furthurmore, I made it through another day without being a Powerball winner.  However, fear not my VGC friends, I'm ok with that and my life wasn't ruined or anything.

But just imagine how my life would be so much happier had I won that jackpot!



PwerlvlAmy said:
deskpro2k3 said:
I'm just glad this guy is getting is thorough vetting before being a supreme judge. We already have a pussy grabber in the WH. This has got to stop.

He's been through 6 previous checks. so yeah. Also I've always laughed at the pussy grabbing thing about Trump. Guess  everyone is morally innocent and has never had a sexual relation with anyone ever and were all just that damn pure. 

He's been through 6 checks regarding his professional life, such as his job, people he worked with, friends at work, post on facebook etc. Those checks did not include his high school days, or his high school friends, so this gonna be good.

About the pussy grabber. I doubt those were "sexual relations" It sounds more like he did it on impulse from the way he bragged about it on the Access Hollywood video.

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