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Should Brett Kavanaugh SCOTUS Nomination Continue?

Yes 53 47.32%
 
No 41 36.61%
 
Trump should pick a new canidate 18 16.07%
 
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Torillian said:
thismeintiel said:

Oh, I didn't know you were part of his crew.  Tell me, how was he back then?  Did you sign a letter under threat of perjury to defend or oppose him?

You truly believe that they meant that as a show of respect? 

Oh, that's strange.  The way you stated that, it seemed like you knew exactly who these people were and how they acted and talked back then.  I figured you were their friend.

Maybe you should try and wait for her to disagree with him before you act like you knew exactly what happened between him and his friends.  I'm pretty sure she is one of the women who is standing with him, though.  Which probably means what he said was truthful.



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Nighthawk117 said:
This whole last-minute bullshit is all about Roe v. Wade. Democrats are scared to death that Kavanaugh would be the deciding vote to overturn it. Thus, they are desperate to stop his nomination. My country has truly reached a new low

What's wrong with people fighting for what they believe in.  



Hiku said:
jason1637 said:

Tbh if I were accused of something I didn't do that's as serious as these accusations I'd probably lash out also.

"Some thing", sure.
Probably not if I'm;

a.) Accused of a violent crime because I'm unable to restrain myself
b.) when there are GOP senators who can do the aggressive yelling and threatening for me, like Lindsey Graham
c.) while my accuser, who has also been accused of lying and received countless death threats, was extremely calm and collected
d.) all the while I constantly oppose to an investigation into these claims, that would only make me look more credible if I were innocent.
If I was innocent, I would BEG for an FBI investigation.

He was painting a rather wholesome picture of himself, but we saw his mask come off during the hearing.
And that's all aside from the fact that he's also applying for a job where he's supposed to be able to make calm and rational decisions under pressure, not lie under oath, and as part of his oath put aside partisanship. Instead he threatened "the left" that "what goes around comes around".

They are trying to destroy his life, of course it's going to be hard to remain calm and collected under those circumstances, i can't believe that you take that as him being guilty. This thing is a fucking farce and people have a right to be angry



CosmicSex said:
Nighthawk117 said:
This whole last-minute bullshit is all about Roe v. Wade. Democrats are scared to death that Kavanaugh would be the deciding vote to overturn it. Thus, they are desperate to stop his nomination. My country has truly reached a new low

What's wrong with people fighting for what they believe in.  

When you fight it the wrong way. It has become more and more evident she is lying. She never said anything before when Kavanaugh had power until now which is conveniently last minute to delay the nomination. Democrats are so petty.



CosmicSex said:
Nighthawk117 said:
This whole last-minute bullshit is all about Roe v. Wade. Democrats are scared to death that Kavanaugh would be the deciding vote to overturn it. Thus, they are desperate to stop his nomination. My country has truly reached a new low

What's wrong with people fighting for what they believe in.  

If Roe v Wade is so important that they are willing to destroy a man's life over it because they THINK he will try to repeal it then there is no hope for humanity



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NightlyPoe said:
collint0101 said:

Are you saying that we should side with companies that put profit over everything else instead of the organization that actually has a reason to give a damn about the environment

What I am saying is that a judge should never make a ruling based simply on whose name they like better when they look at the docket.

So I again ask you to cite a decision of Kavanaugh's and explain why that decision is in error.  If you cannot, then you have no grounds to complain about his rulings.

He attempted to strike down the clean air interstate rule which is a regulation that targets power plants who's pollutants drift from 1 state to another which is important because many EPA policies work on a state by state bases. In a case involving the use of hydrofluorocarbons which is a substance that is said to contribute to upwards of 20% of our global warming he wrote the majority opinion for the court that limited the epa's regulation of the substance. 



Snoopy said:
CosmicSex said:

What's wrong with people fighting for what they believe in.  

When you fight it the wrong way. It has become more and more evident she is lying. She never said anything before when Kavanaugh had power until now which is conveniently last minute to delay the nomination. Democrats are so petty.

Democrats are no more petty than any other group and simy them fighting back doesn't make her a liar and it doesn't make anyone less than an American. 



Yesterday, I made it through another day without being confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court and my life (such as it is) wasn't ruined or anything! Just passing along the update.



I believe there is a chance Dr Ford is making up the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh let me explain why.

First we already know from the 4 witnesses Ford has mention can't corroborate her story, even her best friend says she doesn't know Kavanaugh and has never seen him. Ford claims Kavanaugh and Mark Judge was the only 2 people that where very drunk at this small gathering. Now how likely is it you or me would forget the only 2 people at a small gathering that where very drunk and not be able to recognise them? It's very unlikely. 

Kavanaugh own calendar shows he was never at such gathering. Democrats has pointed out 1 July as a possible date for this party, but I read a article about this and it's just very unlikely that this fit the party Ford described.

Now about Ford herself, she claims being at a small gathering in 1982 at age 15. But if we look at the information she provided from her therapist notes to the washington post it says in her late teens and mid 80:s and by 4 boys being in the room. Notice how the timeline has changed from late teens and mid 80:s to early 80:s and age 15, age 15 is not late teens. And now only being 2 boys in the room.

 

From Fords hearing transcript: "In your July 6th text to The Washington Post that you looked at earlier, you said that this happened in the mid ’80s." She responded Yes.

In the original washington post article from Emma Brown: "show Ford described a “rape attempt” in her late teens." And "The notes say four boys were involved".

Now why has the story changed? We can't be certain but changing the timeline fits the description in Mark judge book she has probably read. In her lie detector test she had redacted the word "early 80:s" to only 80:s and the lie detector test says "the boys were in the room" which can fit either 4 boys like her therapist notes or 2 boys into her changed story.

And she is not willing to show her therapist notes at all to us even a summary of the allegation, which can be an indication she got something to hide. This can ofc be nothing but it just seems odd how the changed timeline just fits Mark Judges book and that she saw Mark judge 6-8 weeks after the incident working at the supermarket (he worked there few weeks between late july to mid-august) points towards the 1 july in Kavanaugh calendar which as I pointed out before just very unlikely to be the party democrats suspect it to be.


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NightlyPoe said:
Torillian said:

What I don't understand about the Kavanaugh case is why he lied to such a degree. His attempts to paint himself as a choir boy in his younger years are so transparent. Does anyone really believe that he and all his friends called themselves "alumni" of some girl they knew as a way of showing their respect? It's amazing to me that he didn't go with "yes I was a shitty kid, but I didn't try to assault anyone" instead of "Alcohol sir? I was much too busy with my studies to party".

I'd take him out of contention just for being someone that's willing to lie with such regularity.

I can only imagine that you didn't watch the hearings and are taking your cues from others if you think he portrayed himself as a choir boy who was too busy studying to drink or party.

You imagine incorrectly, I am referencing previous statements about his high school and college years:

" When I was in high school—and I went to an all boys’ Catholic high school, a Jesuit high school, where I was focused on academics and athletics, going to church every Sunday at Little Flower, working on my service projects, and friendship, friendship with my fellow classmates and friendship with girls from the local all girls’ Catholic schools."

"I was focused on trying to be number one in my class and being captain of the varsity basketball team and doing my service projects, going to church. The vast majority of the time I spent in high school was studying or focused on sports and being a good friend to the boys and the girls that I was friends with. "

If he'd said "sure I drank and I was a piece of shit high school boy, but I didn't assault anyone" then it would have much less of an issue believing him. There's still the issue of the 2004 lie to congress at another hearing, so the guy just seems to lie whenever he gets a chance at a promotion, so I guess I wouldn't put him on the supreme court regardless. We have enough issue with both sides picking political activists on their own side for judge positions, don't need a liar in there to boot.  



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