zorg1000 said:
PS4/XBO sales not going down shows the exact opposite of what you are arguing. It shows that PS/XB and Switch are not direct competitors, they coexist.
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The real reason is why they can coexist despite the 13+ million sales in 2017 and the 20 million so far.
It's not irrelevant that when Switch came out 80+ million PS4 and XB1s had been sold, as it is not irrelevant that in this specific case, Switch came out 3 years after both consoles were out and next gen was still 2-3 years away.
MasonADC said:
FE and LM were more popular on handhelds, so far. There hasn't been a home console LM since the 3DS game and the same goes for FE. We need to wait for the results to see how they fair on Switch.
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But the Switch is a handheld and a home console. You can't use it to determine something like that. The best we can do is look at past results.
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No. It's a home console with a portable aspect.
Pretty much everything about it spells home console. It just has the portable side to it.
That's why not even Nintendo sees it as a competitor to 3DS.
How do you want to make a fair comparison if you don't wait for the results on Switch?
curl-6 said:
The fact their sales don't impact each other shows that they exist in separate niches that do not directly compete, and since PS5/Nextbox will almost certainly inherit the same niche as PS4/Xbone, Switch will remain unaffected. People will continue to buy PS/Xbox for the AAA blockbusters, and Switch for the flexibility the hybrid concept offers and the first party exclusives.
The only way the next PS/Xbox can significantly affect Switch is if those companies try to push Nintendo out of their niche by launching a competing hybrid, which is highly unlikely.
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I wouldn't call it niches, but ok.
When they go after the sames market (age demographics, markets), then they are competing. The difference is that Switch was released at a time where it hadn't to compete directly and the real competitors were 2-3 years away.
That direct competition will only come when PS4 and XB1 users have to determine if PS5/XB2 are indeed their main console or not. So far, the signs are that Switch isn't more than a complement, because well, people don't have to choose between Switch and something. There's just no other something.
The first thing that Sony and MS need to do to attack Switch is presenting new platforms.
Then, when people will have to choose between Switch and more, is where we will see how they can coexist and for how long.
psychicscubadiver said:
The mistake you're making is assuming that people must choose between the Switch and other consoles. Many people buy the Switch *in addition* to another platform, whether that is PS, Xbox, or PC. There is relatively little reason to buy both a PS and Xbox because there is so much overlap between them in game libraries and system capabilities. But Nintendo appeals to the same market in a different way. Their system is portable, but easily upscales to a TV when at home and they offer high-profile games that are exclusive to their system, ie all their first-party titles. They don't have to stop people from buying another console, just convince them that the Switch is also worth owning because it is fun and unique.
Sales of the PS4, Xbox One, and any possible successors don't matter when predicting success for the Switch because Nintendo operates within their own niche instead of directly competing.
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I'ts not a question of "must", it's a question of "why didn't Switch, despite all efforts, turn things in it's favor?"; "Why, for example, in the US, instead of having only 30% of it's users be newcomers, didn't it have 70% of newcomers?".
And the answer to that question is what shows if Switch's success is long term and if it will spill over to next gen.
"They don't have to stop people from buying another console, just convince them that the Switch is also worth owning because it is fun and unique."
And that's exactly what is happening: old users of PS4 and XB1 are buying it.
When you are appealing to the same userbase, it's expectable to see a success the size of Switch to make a dent on the competition. Yet, it didn't.
Reasonable explanation: people aren't really opting for Switch, they are buying a Switch because they already own a PS4 or XB1. Which means, that, for the future, there's the high possibility that when they have to actually choose between Switch, PS5 and XB2, Switch will not be a priority - as it already isn't now.
It's hard to determine how strong are Switch's strengths when it has no direct competition.
Living off of the competitor's market and building one for yourself mean different things.
If this was the case of another Wii, then yeah, they could coexist without any real problems. But this is not the case.