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Great song. not overly religious.



 

 

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i didnt even know she still performed. news to me



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CuCabeludo said:
CaptainExplosion said:

They're not, but most of the ones who cause atrocities like the witch trials and mistreatment of Indigenous people were white Christians, and Hitler may have been Catholic, further fueling the problem.

Hittler had no religion. What happened to the native americans centuires ago could have happened to Europeans during the arab expansion too, if there were no Crusades, Europe would be a big caliphate today. Bad luck american natives didn't have the resources to curb their annihilation as Europeans did to curb the arab domination.

Wow... Slap whoever taught you history in school.

The crusades were NOT about defending Europe from Islamic conquest; quite the opposite. Following the late Viking Age, many militaristic Knight orders and Kings in Europe were making the Roman Catholic church nervous with their aggressive/tyrannical rule - they began spreading the idea of chivalry as one measure, the second was to send them on a crusade to capture the Holy Land, which is part of the core of the Caliphate - it was an aggressive war, not a defensive war.

Later on, the crusades were expanded to powers by attacking and annihilating the various pagan cultures of North-Eastern Europe, invasion of the Byzantine Empire (which was Christian, but a different form than Roman Catholic), and attacking countries in Africa.

Prior to the crusades, the Arabic nations and Christian nations had relative peace with one another. The Caliphate was multi-cultural allowing Jews and Christians to practice their faith within the nation; most of the Caliphate was Christian during this period, in fact, crusaders massacred non-Roman-Catholic Christians when they conquered Jerusalem. The Caliphate of Cordova which existed in Iberia was always Christian majority through its entire history.

In actuality, if the Caliphate DID conquer all of Europe, the medieval era would have most been a happier, more prosperous, and healthier time period since Europe would have enjoyed the same freedoms, education, and trade enjoyed by Al Andalus. Al Andalus was undoubtedly a far better place to live than any of Roman Catholic Europe.



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The way this thread went from being about Avril Lavigne to being a history class.

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Jumpin said:
CuCabeludo said:

Hittler had no religion. What happened to the native americans centuires ago could have happened to Europeans during the arab expansion too, if there were no Crusades, Europe would be a big caliphate today. Bad luck american natives didn't have the resources to curb their annihilation as Europeans did to curb the arab domination.

Wow... Slap whoever taught you history in school.

The crusades were NOT about defending Europe from Islamic conquest; quite the opposite. Following the late Viking Age, many militaristic Knight orders and Kings in Europe were making the Roman Catholic church nervous with their aggressive/tyrannical rule - they began spreading the idea of chivalry as one measure, the second was to send them on a crusade to capture the Holy Land, which is part of the core of the Caliphate - it was an aggressive war, not a defensive war.

Later on, the crusades were expanded to powers by attacking and annihilating the various pagan cultures of North-Eastern Europe, invasion of the Byzantine Empire (which was Christian, but a different form than Roman Catholic), and attacking countries in Africa.

Prior to the crusades, the Arabic nations and Christian nations had relative peace with one another. The Caliphate was multi-cultural allowing Jews and Christians to practice their faith within the nation; most of the Caliphate was Christian during this period, in fact, crusaders massacred non-Roman-Catholic Christians when they conquered Jerusalem. The Caliphate of Cordova which existed in Iberia was always Christian majority through its entire history.

In actuality, if the Caliphate DID conquer all of Europe, the medieval era would have most been a happier, more prosperous, and healthier time period since Europe would have enjoyed the same freedoms, education, and trade enjoyed by Al Andalus. Al Andalus was undoubtedly a far better place to live than any of Roman Catholic Europe.



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CuCabeludo said:
SammyGiireal said:

Pretty damn impossible to curb your annihilation when you get stricken by a deadly decease which you have no defense for. I am Christian but a lot of attrocities have been made by Christians throughout the ages. Ironically not what Jesus was about.

unfortunately, its the human nature to use religion to dominate other cultures, even if it means distort the teachings of Jesus, just to acheive your evil objectives. I am Christian, and the catholic church is an abomination to the true christianity.

I left Christianity for Wicca because I wasn't happy with how Christianity had turned out.

But enough of that, I'm glad Avril beat lime disease. :)



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Dont even remmeber what she sang, and yes.



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I'm sorry. That is not a Christian song. In no way does it praise or thank God. She tells God to not let her drown, she tells Him to meet her at the altar..... IT's all about her and not about Him!

This is a Christian Song

 

This is a Christian Song

 

 

This is a Christian Song

 

This is a Christian Song...

 

There are so many GOOD Songs I could post here that show the difference between the songs...

 

I agree this is a nicely sung song and she has a great voice. But it is not any way a song dedicated to God but instead is only about herself.

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Attiq said:

I'm sorry. That is not a Christian song. In no way does it praise or thank God. She tells God to not let her drown, she tells Him to meet her at the altar..... IT's all about her and not about Him!

This is a Christian Song

 

This is a Christian Song

 

 

This is a Christian Song

 

This is a Christian Song...

 

There are so many GOOD Songs I could post here that show the difference between the songs...

 

I agree this is a nicely sung song and she has a great voice. But it is not any way a song dedicated to God but instead is only about herself.

Eh, you're arguing over semantics here. Those are all contemporary worship songs, which is just one genre of Christian music. There are many other genres of Christian music; Christian Rock, christian rap, christian country, christian metal, etc. A song doesn't need to be about praise and worship to be a Christian song, I can think of plenty of examples of Christian music that don't directly praise God, some don't even directly mention God or Jesus, but do so indirectly instead. Here are some other examples of Christian music that aren't contemporary worship songs. 



shikamaru317 said:
 

Eh, you're arguing over semantics here. Those are all contemporary worship songs, which is just one genre of Christian music. There are many other genres of Christian music; Christian Rock, christian rap, christian country, christian metal, etc. A song doesn't need to be about praise and worship to be a Christian song, I can think of plenty of examples of Christian music that don't directly praise God, some don't even directly mention God or Jesus, but do so indirectly instead. Here are some other examples of Christian music that aren't contemporary worship songs. 

 

I whole heartedly agree that what I posted is worship songs. I did that to show what most Christian Singers will come forth with to begin with.

And I whole heartedly agree that there is much much more out there in terms of music. Red is awesome, Skillet is awesome, Demon Hunter is fantastic too. And I agree some Christian Singers in some of their songs don't directly reference but hint at God, or Jesus, or the Holy Spirit. But not one of them will state that God should come to meet them at the altar. Rather they would state more correctly that they would come to His altar. He always says come meet me so we can talk. I'm not word for word perfect on the Bible but I cant remember a line in there that says tell me (God) to come to you (us) I could be wrong tho.

The song is more about what She wants Him to do for her (if the song is truely her singing to Him). Don't know about many other people here but I have always found God has always shown me what he wants to do for me, not what I want Him to do for me. I've yet to get a million dollars, but I'm housed, clothed, fed, watered and safe.

 

As an aside..... Thank you for the Start Over song by Flame.... Never heard of that band before very good I like it.

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