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barneystinson69 on 05 October 2018

Microsoft went total retard and Nintendo tried to turn the clock back to 2007? Wasn't that hard with the mess those two companies were in.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

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COKTOE on 05 October 2018
curl-6 said:
COKTOE said:

The Vita did bear the PS name, but it's failure is a once-off anomaly for the PS brand, with a well documented history of abandonment from Sony to accompany it. Nintendo has shit the bed way more often. Sony, and the PS brand, has a consistent level of excellence, with average console sales that no other platform holder can touch. So, with the Wii brand: If the name can't be parlayed into a successful followup, it's dead. And it IS dead. Long dead. That was the Wii-U. Wii is the Sanjaya Malakar of brands.....That's too harsh. It's the William Hung of brands. And again, speaking of dead, a higher percentage than is the norm, as it concerns  console customers, the ones that helped make the Wii software library so amazing, have faded into the ether.

You don't seem to be aware of the specific topic under discussion and how we came to it, and why the Wii U has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

This discussion began with the assertion that "PS never stopped being the king of consoles", which implies that the PS3 was king last gen when it was getting thrashed by the Wii in sales, bleeding billions of dollars, and losing half of the marketshare it inherited from PS2.

The Wii U did not even exist at this time, so it's completely irrelevant.

I joined when you were talking with Don about placards. "Wii would beat PS3 in such a test" Who am I quoting here? What is the quote in reference to? I'm aware. Are you? Tell me more about placards. Tell me why Nintendo holding up the Wii brand didn't propel the the Wii-U to greater success. Tell me why more jackasses potentially recognizing the Wii brand on a game show quiz matter more than ongoing real world sales. Tell how all the people who have made PS4 the #1 selling console have forgotten the number 3. The Wii-U and the PS3 co-existed. The PS3 sold more consoles in it's dying years during than the Wii-U  did in it's entire existence. Is that irrelevant? Better hold up some logos on a street corner and ask passersby to find out for sure. And just to punctuate my own take on the whole affair: The Wii was was weak console. It had some great/good games from Nintendo, but was hilariously outclassed by PS and MS in overall software quality, to say nothing of the other avenues where it was, objectively, the winner of the participation award, and naught else. It was an overall software wasteland with a smattering of Nintendo and third party manufactured oases.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

curl-6 on 05 October 2018
COKTOE said:
curl-6 said:

You don't seem to be aware of the specific topic under discussion and how we came to it, and why the Wii U has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

This discussion began with the assertion that "PS never stopped being the king of consoles", which implies that the PS3 was king last gen when it was getting thrashed by the Wii in sales, bleeding billions of dollars, and losing half of the marketshare it inherited from PS2.

The Wii U did not even exist at this time, so it's completely irrelevant.

I joined when you were talking with Don about placards. "Wii would beat PS3 in such a test" Who am I quoting here? What is the quote in reference to? I'm aware. Are you? Tell me more about placards. Tell me why Nintendo holding up the Wii brand didn't propel the the Wii-U to greater success. Tell me why more jackasses potentially recognizing the Wii brand on a game show quiz matter more than ongoing real world sales. Tell how all the people who have made PS4 the #1 selling console have forgotten the number 3. The Wii-U and the PS3 co-existed. The PS3 sold more consoles in it's dying years during than the Wii-U  did in it's entire existence. Is that irrelevant? Better hold up some logos on a street corner and ask passersby to find out for sure. And just to punctuate my own take on the whole affair: The Wii was was weak console. It had some great/good games from Nintendo, but was hilariously outclassed by PS and MS in overall software quality, to say nothing of the other avenues where it was, objectively, the winner of the participation award, and naught else. It was an overall software wasteland with a smattering of Nintendo and third party manufactured oases.

Wii: 101.6 million sold.

PS3: 86.9 million sold.

Wii won last gen and PS3 lost, it's as simple as that. The fact that people are still salty and in denial about this fact in 2018 is beyond ridiculous.



omarct on 05 October 2018
COKTOE said:
curl-6 said:

You don't seem to be aware of the specific topic under discussion and how we came to it, and why the Wii U has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

This discussion began with the assertion that "PS never stopped being the king of consoles", which implies that the PS3 was king last gen when it was getting thrashed by the Wii in sales, bleeding billions of dollars, and losing half of the marketshare it inherited from PS2.

The Wii U did not even exist at this time, so it's completely irrelevant.

I joined when you were talking with Don about placards. "Wii would beat PS3 in such a test" Who am I quoting here? What is the quote in reference to? I'm aware. Are you? Tell me more about placards. Tell me why Nintendo holding up the Wii brand didn't propel the the Wii-U to greater success. Tell me why more jackasses potentially recognizing the Wii brand on a game show quiz matter more than ongoing real world sales. Tell how all the people who have made PS4 the #1 selling console have forgotten the number 3. The Wii-U and the PS3 co-existed. The PS3 sold more consoles in it's dying years during than the Wii-U  did in it's entire existence. Is that irrelevant? Better hold up some logos on a street corner and ask passersby to find out for sure. And just to punctuate my own take on the whole affair: The Wii was was weak console. It had some great/good games from Nintendo, but was hilariously outclassed by PS and MS in overall software quality, to say nothing of the other avenues where it was, objectively, the winner of the participation award, and naught else. It was an overall software wasteland with a smattering of Nintendo and third party manufactured oases.

The wii was a fluke. I got my hands on 1 from a friend who didnt play it anymore and after playing a few games on it I immidiately understood why.  I got this wii late into the PS3 gen and went to amazon to buy monster hunter Tri for it since my friend had shitty games. I had a horrible time, trying to play with the wiimote was the worst gaming experience I have ever had. But what really killed it for me was the blurriness, everything looked so freaking blurry, I am pretty sure FFX on the PS2 looked more impressive. Anyways I never touched it again. I know there are other great games and graphics isnt everything, but when you have had good food its hard to go back to mediocre.



COKTOE on 05 October 2018
curl-6 said:
COKTOE said:

I joined when you were talking with Don about placards. "Wii would beat PS3 in such a test" Who am I quoting here? What is the quote in reference to? I'm aware. Are you? Tell me more about placards. Tell me why Nintendo holding up the Wii brand didn't propel the the Wii-U to greater success. Tell me why more jackasses potentially recognizing the Wii brand on a game show quiz matter more than ongoing real world sales. Tell how all the people who have made PS4 the #1 selling console have forgotten the number 3. The Wii-U and the PS3 co-existed. The PS3 sold more consoles in it's dying years during than the Wii-U  did in it's entire existence. Is that irrelevant? Better hold up some logos on a street corner and ask passersby to find out for sure. And just to punctuate my own take on the whole affair: The Wii was was weak console. It had some great/good games from Nintendo, but was hilariously outclassed by PS and MS in overall software quality, to say nothing of the other avenues where it was, objectively, the winner of the participation award, and naught else. It was an overall software wasteland with a smattering of Nintendo and third party manufactured oases.

Wii: 101.6 million sold.

PS3: 86.9 million sold.

Wii won last gen and PS3 lost, it's as simple as that. The fact that people are still salty and in denial about this fact in 2018 is beyond ridiculous.

Ah, I see. Thanks for so expertly distilling the topic at hand down to it's essence by posting hardware sales numbers that were never in question.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

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curl-6 on 05 October 2018
COKTOE said:
curl-6 said:

Wii: 101.6 million sold.

PS3: 86.9 million sold.

Wii won last gen and PS3 lost, it's as simple as that. The fact that people are still salty and in denial about this fact in 2018 is beyond ridiculous.

Ah, I see. Thanks for so expertly distilling the topic at hand down to it's essence by posting hardware sales numbers that were never in question.

Ultimately, it's the only data that matters. There is simply no objective case to be made for Sony being the "king" last generation.



Faelco on 05 October 2018
curl-6 said:
COKTOE said:

Ah, I see. Thanks for so expertly distilling the topic at hand down to it's essence by posting hardware sales numbers that were never in question.

Ultimately, it's the only data that matters. There is simply no objective case to be made for Sony being the "king" last generation.

 

It depends how you look at it. Clearly, the Wii won the battle, no doubt about that. But how was its impact in the war?

The Wii had a few very strong years, but ended poorly and its image tarnished, which followed on the next gen. The PS3 tarnished the amazing image of the PS2, but got way better slowly, and finished the gen more strongly, and Sony arrived on the next gen with a strong momentum.

The Wii won the generation, but the paradox is that Nintendo finished the generation with a more difficult position than Sony. A one-hit wonder with no follow-up is not always better than a contender which built the bases for the next success.



curl-6 on 05 October 2018
Faelco said:
curl-6 said:

Ultimately, it's the only data that matters. There is simply no objective case to be made for Sony being the "king" last generation.

 

It depends how you look at it. Clearly, the Wii won the battle, no doubt about that. But how was its impact in the war?

The Wii had a few very strong years, but ended poorly and its image tarnished, which followed on the next gen. The PS3 tarnished the amazing image of the PS2, but got way better slowly, and finished the gen more strongly, and Sony arrived on the next gen with a strong momentum.

The Wii won the generation, but the paradox is that Nintendo finished the generation with a more difficult position than Sony. A one-hit wonder with no follow-up is not always better than a contender which built the bases for the next success.

You could say the same thing about the PS2 and Gamecube; that Sony's success with PS2 made them arrogant and set in motion the loss of half their marketshare with PS3, while the Gamecube's failure led Nintendo to innovate and create their most successful console.

Still, that doesn't change the fact that PS2 beat the Gamecube, just as the Wii beat the PS3. A victory is a victory regardless of how the next console war plays out.



COKTOE on 05 October 2018
curl-6 said:
COKTOE said:

Ah, I see. Thanks for so expertly distilling the topic at hand down to it's essence by posting hardware sales numbers that were never in question.

Ultimately, it's the only data that matters. There is simply no objective case to be made for Sony being the "king" last generation.

I've never bolded an entire comment until before. To whom does it not matter? There is no objective case? Are you even remotely aware how badly the PS3 crushed the Wii in terms of software quality? McDonald's sells more food than the premium steak house across the way, but it doesn't make the crap they heat under a lamp a better meal. Perhaps, if the Wii had offered own it's own customers more streak instead of Happy Meals, the Wii brand wouldn't have died so miserably. PS3 had more quality games by a mile. It had much more powerful hardware. It was a multimedia powerhouse. It had a much better online feature set. I won't even get into each of the individual ways, in each specific area that the PS3 demolished the Wii. The "king". A paper tiger next to it's comtemporaries. Including MS, a company I've had to work on not slamming reflexively. But it is what it is. Or was. Wii was popular though!



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

curl-6 on 05 October 2018
COKTOE said:
curl-6 said:

Ultimately, it's the only data that matters. There is simply no objective case to be made for Sony being the "king" last generation.

I've never bolded an entire comment until before. To whom does it not matter? There is no objective case? Are you even remotely aware how badly the PS3 crushed the Wii in terms of software quality? McDonald's sells more food than the premium steak house across the way, but it doesn't make the crap they heat under a lamp a better meal. Perhaps, if the Wii had offered own it's own customers more streak instead of Happy Meals, the Wii brand wouldn't have died so miserably. PS3 had more quality games by a mile. It had much more powerful hardware. It was a multimedia powerhouse. It had a much better online feature set. I won't even get into each of the individual ways, in each specific area that the PS3 demolished the Wii. The "king". A paper tiger next to it's comtemporaries. Including MS, a company I've had to work on not slamming reflexively. But it is what it is. Or was. Wii was popular though!

The PS3 "crushing" the Wii in software quality is purely subjective. I'd say it was the other way around. Similarly, the value of powerful hardware, multimedia capabilities, and online are all subjective. Since the Wii sold more, clearly a lot of people preferred what the Wii had to offer over graphics, multimedia, or online.