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Chazore on 17 September 2018
Cerebralbore101 said:

ResilientFighter said: 

So much is wrong in these claims its not even worth making an argument... have fun over there with barely any exclusive games with real quality, enjoy the pseudo 4K thinking its on par with a $1000 computer and has more exclusive dominance than nintendo and sony

The bolded is blatently false. PC has some great strategy titles for sure, but Switch and/or PS4 blow it out of the water in terms of games library. This gen there's only 8 PC exclusives I'm really interested in, and that's if you count Civ 6 (coming to Switch), Cities Skylines (also coming to Switch), and Warhammer Total War (Obsolete now that Total War II is out.)

Then you have to deal with the fact that PC is infested with DRM. Steam, Uplay, Windows Store, and Origin are all DRM. Windows is nagware, as well as spyware. 

Finally, a $1000 PC will absolutely not get you 4K, unless you are buying shoddy parts, or cutting massive corners. 

He's talking about Xbox 1 X, not PC.

Also the talk of exclusives are subjective in terms of their quality. PC has exclusives of it';s own that aren't on console and it isn't just 8 either, Pem can tell you that.

Consoles are also their own form of DRM when you look at the big picture, and millions of people are fine using Steam, Uplay, Origin, Epic and Battle.net. THe spyware part is absolutely bogus though. Claiming that those clients are infested with spyware is insane.

My PC is just over 1k by itself and has been doing fine for itself so far at 1440p max settings and going well above 60fps. 4k is not the rule. Also PC isn't completely full of shoddy ports either. 



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SvennoJ on 17 September 2018

PSN is down all the time now? That's odd, I play GTS daily and the last time PSN was down is quite a long time ago.

Anyway, has MS announced anything for VR yet on the Xbox One X like they were promising to add support for the windows VR headsets sometime this year?

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Pemalite on 17 September 2018
KBG29 said:

Not yet, I bought the Xbox One X back in January, and this weekend I added an XBO S to the bedroom. 

I don't have any surface device or Windows 10 purchase line-up light now, but I will be looking into them in the future.

I had the Xbox One X pre-ordered, so had it on release day.
One great feature though is that you can stream Xbox One games to a PC via the Xbox app if your PC is not high-end.

ResilientFighter said:

So much is wrong in these claims its not even worth making an argument... have fun over there with barely any exclusive games with real quality, enjoy the pseudo 4K thinking its on par with a $1000 computer and has more exclusive dominance than nintendo and sony

None of the consoles are doing "real" 4k 100% of the time, doesn't matter if it's Xbox, Playstation or Switch... So not really an argumentative point that falls in your favor.
If you want 4k or better... That has been on PC for the last 17 years.

Cerebralbore101 said:

PC has some great strategy titles for sure, but Switch and/or PS4 blow it out of the water in terms of games library.

No they don't. The PC has a game library that spans decades.
There are more games on Steam alone than there are games on the Playstation 1, 2, 3 and 4... Combined.
You know what? Add the PSP and Vita game libraries as well and I would still confidently say the PC has more games.

Cerebralbore101 said:

 This gen there's only 8 PC exclusives I'm really interested in, and that's if you count Civ 6 (coming to Switch), Cities Skylines (also coming to Switch), and Warhammer Total War (Obsolete now that Total War II is out.)

Fantastic. Good for you. There is none on Playstation or Xbox that interests me even in the slightest, couple on Switch I wouldn't mind playing, but won't lower myself to 720P.

But just because there are certain games that don't interest you, doesn't mean there aren't games or aren't good games that may interest others, we are delving into personal taste territory here which is pretty anecdotal.

Cerebralbore101 said:

Aside from Indies I don't have any digital games linked to those accounts. It's all physical. 

I don't buy DLC. They are not worth it. $20 more for maybe five to ten hours of extra content? No thanks. 

Edit: I know where you're going with this, and I agree to an extent. Yes, there is DRM on consoles, but the important thing is that consoles at least offer a DRM free physical version. GoG has a great library, but it is still missing about 80% of quality AAA multiplats. And as far as I know humble bundle just offers up a steam code, or some other DRM version. 

Physical is DRM.
You cannot take a game disc from the Playstation 4 and drop it into a PC that is running a similar *Nix derived OS, OpenGL derived API and a Jaguar+GCN hardware.
That is by itself DRM, you are being limited.
Rather... What needs to happen is for Emulation to take place to make such a thing a reality.

The only true DRM-free gaming is GOG.

Kerotan said:
Lastly xbox x released a year after the pro and a good bit more powerful. So it will be harder for ms to make a big jump to next gen if they want to keep the price at 400. Whereas Sony can easily make a big jump over the pro for 400. They hold all the aces.

We don't know any of that for sure.

thismeintiel said:

And given that the PS5 is using a Zen CPU and a Navi GPU, I doubt performance will be an issue.

We have zero clue what the final hardware is.
Many thought that the Xbox One X was going to be running with Ryzen because of various "hints" and "leaks" and "Information" from supposedly "credible" sources which turned out to be complete and utter furfies. (Those who knew hardware knew Ryzen wasn't going to happen.)

Random_Matt said:
So going to a platform that plays the same multiplatfom games and has zero exclusives? Ok. Also the UI is an ugly and convoluted mess, an opinion which is pretty much agreed upon within the gaming industry, it has slow install times and the X1X is highly crippled by the S version. Go for it.

Having exclusives only matters if you care about said exclusives.
There are gamers in the world who couldn't care about Spiderman, Horizon, Halo... But will play the latest Battlefield/Call of Duty/Fortnite/Overwatch 24/7 and nothing else.

As for the Xbox One X being crippled by the S console... Well. Yes and no.
Allot of older games that are unpatched look like ass on the Xbox One X, but newer releases tend to be a step up on the Xbox One X over all the other consoles.

S.Peelman said:

This is also why Switch literally doesn't have any of those features and judging by sales nobody in the real world gives a s**t.

Correct me if I am wrong... But the Switch appeals to a very particular demographic... There are more gamers on the Xbox One, Playstation 4, PC, Android, iOS and so on that do care about those features.

Ganoncrotch said:

If the system had a functionality of fully dual booting between X1 and Windows10 OS that would be a very tempting thing to get me to consider buying one, but that said, behind my couch already has a ps4/switch and gaming PC hooked to my projector so even if the X1 would open up to being a fully functional PC it still wouldn't fill a gap in my systems which doesn't already have a more powerful system in there doing it.

I prefer to have my consoles on the TV... And then use my PC on my QHD monitor. - Why? Because.

Everyone has different needs/wants/desires/tastes and thus want a different setup, so that is perfectly fine.
I would never be able to use a console like a PC though.

Zkuq said:
You're free to choose whatever you like the best, but if you think Microsoft is significantly better in the long run, you're most likely sorely mistaken.

There is no best. Every... And I mean EVERY, platform has it's strengths and weaknesses.
What we need to do as individual consumers is to weigh all the Pro's and Con's and make a purchasing decision that meets our individual criteria.

MrWayne said:

Or you do yourself an even bigger favor and buy a PC. A few facts:
almost unlimited backwards compatibility, biggest exclusiv library, best experience in multi platform titles, M+K and Controller, best multimedia station

It's not "almost unlimited backwards compatibility". - It is unlimited.
You can run any game released at any time on the latest and greatest PC. No exception.

Chazore said:

If you hadn't already picked up on it by now, he's very much against wanting to use a PC for nearly anything. He wants consoles to fully replace PC's and handle all their tasks and what not. He's used consoles to pay his bills and what not, while opting as much as possible to use them for daily computing tasks.

If he wants to do that... So be it.
But there is a reason why the PC remains the platform of choice for productivity tasks such as those... Because to put simply, it's faster and more convenient.

shikamaru317 said:

You're definitely right about PS4 OS, they have left it by the wayside. The latest numbered update, 6.0, only had stability improvements, no new features at all.

To be fair... Microsoft's bread and butter business is Operating Systems, so it's only natural they should have the edge in that aspect, it's what they are supposed to excel at.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

If this means I do not have to see another one of your god awful "integration" posts on a Playstation thread, than I'm happy.

He is more than allowed to participate in those threads. - Hopefully he does, more perspectives is never a bad thing.



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DonFerrari on 17 September 2018
SvennoJ said:
PSN is down all the time now? That's odd, I play GTS daily and the last time PSN was down is quite a long time ago.

Anyway, has MS announced anything for VR yet on the Xbox One X like they were promising to add support for the windows VR headsets sometime this year?

Well different places may get different hardships... I don't remember PSN down for more than once this whole year.

But yes the OS is being slow for me and PStore takes a life to work, but that for me is more a problem of what KBG wants (more things in the OS) than what I want (it being bare and fast).



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DonFerrari on 17 September 2018
Pemalite said:
KBG29 said:

Not yet, I bought the Xbox One X back in January, and this weekend I added an XBO S to the bedroom. 

I don't have any surface device or Windows 10 purchase line-up light now, but I will be looking into them in the future.

I had the Xbox One X pre-ordered, so had it on release day.
One great feature though is that you can stream Xbox One games to a PC via the Xbox app if your PC is not high-end.

ResilientFighter said:

So much is wrong in these claims its not even worth making an argument... have fun over there with barely any exclusive games with real quality, enjoy the pseudo 4K thinking its on par with a $1000 computer and has more exclusive dominance than nintendo and sony

None of the consoles are doing "real" 4k 100% of the time, doesn't matter if it's Xbox, Playstation or Switch... So not really an argumentative point that falls in your favor.
If you want 4k or better... That has been on PC for the last 17 years.

Cerebralbore101 said:

PC has some great strategy titles for sure, but Switch and/or PS4 blow it out of the water in terms of games library.

No they don't. The PC has a game library that spans decades.
There are more games on Steam alone than there are games on the Playstation 1, 2, 3 and 4... Combined.
You know what? Add the PSP and Vita game libraries as well and I would still confidently say the PC has more games.

Cerebralbore101 said:

 This gen there's only 8 PC exclusives I'm really interested in, and that's if you count Civ 6 (coming to Switch), Cities Skylines (also coming to Switch), and Warhammer Total War (Obsolete now that Total War II is out.)

Fantastic. Good for you. There is none on Playstation or Xbox that interests me even in the slightest, couple on Switch I wouldn't mind playing, but won't lower myself to 720P.

But just because there are certain games that don't interest you, doesn't mean there aren't games or aren't good games that may interest others, we are delving into personal taste territory here which is pretty anecdotal.

Cerebralbore101 said:

Aside from Indies I don't have any digital games linked to those accounts. It's all physical. 

I don't buy DLC. They are not worth it. $20 more for maybe five to ten hours of extra content? No thanks. 

Edit: I know where you're going with this, and I agree to an extent. Yes, there is DRM on consoles, but the important thing is that consoles at least offer a DRM free physical version. GoG has a great library, but it is still missing about 80% of quality AAA multiplats. And as far as I know humble bundle just offers up a steam code, or some other DRM version. 

Physical is DRM.
You cannot take a game disc from the Playstation 4 and drop it into a PC that is running a similar *Nix derived OS, OpenGL derived API and a Jaguar+GCN hardware.
That is by itself DRM, you are being limited.
Rather... What needs to happen is for Emulation to take place to make such a thing a reality.

The only true DRM-free gaming is GOG.

Kerotan said:
Lastly xbox x released a year after the pro and a good bit more powerful. So it will be harder for ms to make a big jump to next gen if they want to keep the price at 400. Whereas Sony can easily make a big jump over the pro for 400. They hold all the aces.

We don't know any of that for sure.

thismeintiel said:

And given that the PS5 is using a Zen CPU and a Navi GPU, I doubt performance will be an issue.

We have zero clue what the final hardware is.
Many thought that the Xbox One X was going to be running with Ryzen because of various "hints" and "leaks" and "Information" from supposedly "credible" sources which turned out to be complete and utter furfies. (Those who knew hardware knew Ryzen wasn't going to happen.)

Random_Matt said:
So going to a platform that plays the same multiplatfom games and has zero exclusives? Ok. Also the UI is an ugly and convoluted mess, an opinion which is pretty much agreed upon within the gaming industry, it has slow install times and the X1X is highly crippled by the S version. Go for it.

Having exclusives only matters if you care about said exclusives.
There are gamers in the world who couldn't care about Spiderman, Horizon, Halo... But will play the latest Battlefield/Call of Duty/Fortnite/Overwatch 24/7 and nothing else.

As for the Xbox One X being crippled by the S console... Well. Yes and no.
Allot of older games that are unpatched look like ass on the Xbox One X, but newer releases tend to be a step up on the Xbox One X over all the other consoles.

S.Peelman said:

This is also why Switch literally doesn't have any of those features and judging by sales nobody in the real world gives a s**t.

Correct me if I am wrong... But the Switch appeals to a very particular demographic... There are more gamers on the Xbox One, Playstation 4, PC, Android, iOS and so on that do care about those features.

Ganoncrotch said:

If the system had a functionality of fully dual booting between X1 and Windows10 OS that would be a very tempting thing to get me to consider buying one, but that said, behind my couch already has a ps4/switch and gaming PC hooked to my projector so even if the X1 would open up to being a fully functional PC it still wouldn't fill a gap in my systems which doesn't already have a more powerful system in there doing it.

I prefer to have my consoles on the TV... And then use my PC on my QHD monitor. - Why? Because.

Everyone has different needs/wants/desires/tastes and thus want a different setup, so that is perfectly fine.
I would never be able to use a console like a PC though.

Zkuq said:
You're free to choose whatever you like the best, but if you think Microsoft is significantly better in the long run, you're most likely sorely mistaken.

There is no best. Every... And I mean EVERY, platform has it's strengths and weaknesses.
What we need to do as individual consumers is to weigh all the Pro's and Con's and make a purchasing decision that meets our individual criteria.

MrWayne said:

Or you do yourself an even bigger favor and buy a PC. A few facts:
almost unlimited backwards compatibility, biggest exclusiv library, best experience in multi platform titles, M+K and Controller, best multimedia station

It's not "almost unlimited backwards compatibility". - It is unlimited.
You can run any game released at any time on the latest and greatest PC. No exception.

Chazore said:

If you hadn't already picked up on it by now, he's very much against wanting to use a PC for nearly anything. He wants consoles to fully replace PC's and handle all their tasks and what not. He's used consoles to pay his bills and what not, while opting as much as possible to use them for daily computing tasks.

If he wants to do that... So be it.
But there is a reason why the PC remains the platform of choice for productivity tasks such as those... Because to put simply, it's faster and more convenient.

shikamaru317 said:

You're definitely right about PS4 OS, they have left it by the wayside. The latest numbered update, 6.0, only had stability improvements, no new features at all.

To be fair... Microsoft's bread and butter business is Operating Systems, so it's only natural they should have the edge in that aspect, it's what they are supposed to excel at.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

If this means I do not have to see another one of your god awful "integration" posts on a Playstation thread, than I'm happy.

He is more than allowed to participate in those threads. - Hopefully he does, more perspectives is never a bad thing.

I find it odd that you don't care about ANY exclusives on the consoles but have X1 and PS4... if you only care about multiplats than your PC will play all of them better than any console, and since I doubt you burn money you probably care about some exclusive to buy these consoles.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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SvennoJ on 17 September 2018
DonFerrari said:
SvennoJ said:
PSN is down all the time now? That's odd, I play GTS daily and the last time PSN was down is quite a long time ago.

Anyway, has MS announced anything for VR yet on the Xbox One X like they were promising to add support for the windows VR headsets sometime this year?

Well different places may get different hardships... I don't remember PSN down for more than once this whole year.

But yes the OS is being slow for me and PStore takes a life to work, but that for me is more a problem of what KBG wants (more things in the OS) than what I want (it being bare and fast).

I would prefer as little of an OS as possible. The 20 sec cold boot start from the ps4 pro is already kinda long. All I use is start game and the capture gallery, while occasionally checking something in the internet browser which works fine with a quick double tap of the ps button.  Netflix is on the tv nowadays. PS store works pretty fast here. I only use it to check the VR games and add the monthly ps+ games to my library.

I am getting more tempted to buy an X, with 3 FH games. The bundles here suck though. There's a $600 Fallout 76 or Battlefield V or NBA 2K19 or PUBG bundle, no Forza one. $600 standalone as well, $200 more than I paid at launch for ps4, $100 more than at launch for ps4 pro. (Spiderman pro bundle is also still $500) A $499 FH 4 bundle would tempt me yet it seems price cuts for the pro versions are not on the horizon?

Anyway no hurry. Too many other games to play right now. Plus the difference between checkerboard 4K and real 4K is lost on me from the couch. It's just that the X promises to run FH4 at 60fps in 1080p, which would be nice.



Pemalite on 17 September 2018
DonFerrari said:

I find it odd that you don't care about ANY exclusives on the consoles but have X1 and PS4... if you only care about multiplats than your PC will play all of them better than any console, and since I doubt you burn money you probably care about some exclusive to buy these consoles.

I wouldn't say it is odd. Certain platforms fit better in certain areas of my home.

I.E. Loungeroom is my Xbox One X.
Computer Room is obviously my PC's.
Bedroom is the Playstation.

And there is a reason why those devices are in those areas.

Xbox One X is a media powerhouse, so it fits better with my theater system.
My PC's are powerful, but loud and hot... So better off in a separate room.
The Playstation 4 has more "lazier" games that I like and faster install times so I can drop a game in and start gaming faster. (Bedtime is a premium for me.)

Some days I might just wanna sit in the computer room, sometimes just lay in bed and play the Playstation... Or sit in the loungeroom with friends on the Xbox One X.

And I really don't play any console exclusives, not because they aren't good... But they just don't interest me, but that's just me.

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Conina on 17 September 2018

 

Cerebralbore101 said:

Edit: I know where you're going with this, and I agree to an extent. Yes, there is DRM on consoles, but the important thing is that consoles at least offer a DRM free physical version. GoG has a great library, but it is still missing about 80% of quality AAA multiplats. And as far as I know humble bundle just offers up a steam code, or some other DRM version.

You know wrong. The Humble Store offers over 1300 DRM-free games:



You get a download link without any DRM restrictions, similar to the 2500 DRM-free GOG games. Often you get a Steam key (for convenience/achievements) and DRM-free files in the Humble Store.



Itch.io also has hundreds of DRM-free paid games and thousands of completely free games.



Pemalite said:

Physical is DRM.
You cannot take a game disc from the Playstation 4 and drop it into a PC that is running a similar *Nix derived OS, OpenGL derived API and a Jaguar+GCN hardware.
That is by itself DRM, you are being limited.
Rather... What needs to happen is for Emulation to take place to make such a thing a reality.

The only true DRM-free gaming is GOG.

Don't forget Humble Store and itch.io

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Pemalite on 17 September 2018

Learn something new everyday.
Didn't know Humble did DRM free. And didn't know that other website at all.

Apparently I need to hand in my PC gamer credentials for such ignorance.



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vivster on 17 September 2018

People need to stop thinking that PS+ is paying for servers. They're not charging you because they can't afford good servers without it. They're charging you because they can.



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