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Forums - Politics Discussion - Dalai lama says "Refugees should go home to develop their own countries"

RolStoppable said:
Pyro as Bill said:
To make my post clearer, all the black/white, islam/noislam, immigration stuff is an identity politics 'cold war' taking place across the West/Internet (culture war). Most of it is due to our fucked up economic system just like Weimar Germany. (my personal opinion is that it's the countryside-city divide on a grand scale).

The EU wants to be a 'good' version of the US but doesn't understand that the US became what it was due to English Law and no/small state. The idea of 'no taxation' is antithetical to every (non-english) european. The EU thinks it can repeat the US but be 'benelovent'. Euros don't understand that it's government that funds genocides and they think money comes from thin air/jewish tricks.

As we all know, the only thing worse than a religious nutjob is an ''ideological continental european''. I could say 'white' but that would put the English and Euros in the same category.

The US constitution is the modern tablets of stone. The US will survive if it sticks to the constitution. Europe has nothing.

I still don't get what you are trying to say.

You understand the 'racial cold war stuff' just fine. Anyone with an internet connection undertstands what i mean. It's relentless.

America will handle it (as long as the constitution/magna carta stays intact) however we all know how stupid continental europeans can be.

The modern economy has messed things up. That's what happens when you ignore Austrians and go off the gold standard.

The continent is already shifting heavily to the 'right' and even the left in the UK are blaming the jews.

Maybe it'll be different this time.



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Ka-pi96 said:

And a lot of the middle eastern refugees would get shot or blown up if they returned to their countries, so it's definitely comparable.

To an extent. The Dalai Lama is at least trying to develop Tibet from the outside. In addition, a person if more likely to be able to develop his/her own country even if the environment is violent as opposed to being locked up in a cell. In prison, you cannot possibly be able to enact change since you'd be isolated from other people.

John2290 said:

I found a good video but I'm 14 miles away from my laptop and I can only embed it on mobile, for some reason the embed feature won't work on android. So for anyone interested, I've added the link to the OP.

Video for Tim Pool on Youtube. https://youtu.be/Aq-NigFoJus

I'll get it up for you.



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CaptainExplosion said:

Yeah, I understand what he means, but he worded it wrong, and from what I remember about those countries developing them is nearly impossible, thanks to scum like Islamic State and Assad's regime.

Yeah, agreed. I think this is mainly getting such bad attention for the wording, that and the  media twisting it further. I believe I know his intent here and he would be correct but to say it in Sweden of all places, I mean, did anyone close to him read ehat he was going to say. 

I too think migrants in Europe should return to there countries as soon as it's feasble or dig in here and be productive and perhaps do what the polish have done or the Irish in the past and rebuild their countries from afar. It seems most stay for the welfare and have no plans past that, it causes all sorts of problems and in my town they beg every day while receiving welfare, cause a great deal of crime and bring so much racism, especially to the black people around here. Of course my own experience is but a microcosm of Europe and I have to completely disagree with the Dalai lama when he says 'Europe is for Europeans" We are accepting here and have accepted otherwise their would be no migrants to comment on however our individual cultures should be respected by those migrants and while taking shelter in another's country with weekly aid one should respect the laws, cultures and citizens of that country so I completely agree with the Dalai lama when he says they should go home and "develop their own countries" or at least work on that from where they are now, even if that takes money out of our country it has been shown by other immigrant in the past two decades that it can have a very positive effect on lower end sectors, enough to offset the cost. However staying on welfare , committing crimes and abusing our citizens helps no one, least of all the migrants. 

I hope to gwt a full transcript of what he said but I'm very glad he said it as it's an issue that needs light shed upon it again and regularly. Hopefully create a situation where there is light at the end of the tunnel for European, migrants and economic immigrants for that matter too who often get lumped in with refugees. 

I have to say that I find this kind of thinking to be the kind of bullshit that people with prejudices and trump-ites would say. As Dulfite has said, realistically speaking these people are likely those who have suffered huge traumas, especially children and returning back to country of origin is not a possibility. It is possible for them to get work and support their countries (I am sure a number of refugees that do well and get work probably do send money home). Also I dont know where you are getting your ideas  of refugees staying on welfare and committing crimes comes from.

From what I understand and have herad, here in New Zealand, it is considered that refugees generally work harder, are more willing to take lower paying jobs and contribute more to their new countries (I have tried to find literature to support this but havent so far). I am sure that is the case also where you are from. 

 



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All of a sudden the right have become buddhist and the left think the Dalai Lama is Hitler.

When are people going to stop beating around the bush and admit this ''cold war'' is about race?

Everyone's blaming trump when he's the only politician who understands that a sound economy will get rid of racial/ethnic tensions.



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RolStoppable said:
Pyro as Bill said:

You understand the 'racial cold war stuff' just fine. Anyone with an internet connection undertstands what i mean. It's relentless.

America will handle it (as long as the constitution/magna carta stays intact) however we all know how stupid continental europeans can be.

The modern economy has messed things up. That's what happens when you ignore Austrians and go off the gold standard.

The continent is already shifting heavily to the 'right' and even the left in the UK are blaming the jews.

Maybe it'll be different this time.

Austrians have it right?

economically? without doubt.

controlling people's lives, absolutely not.



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RolStoppable said:
Pyro as Bill said:
All of a sudden the right have become buddhist and the left think the Dalai Lama is Hitler.

When are people going to stop beating around the bush and admit this ''cold war'' is about race?

Everyone's blaming trump when he's the only politician who understands that a sound economy will get rid of racial/ethnic tensions.

You could have saved yourself a lot of time in this thread by simply saying that Trump is so cool.

He isn't though. he's probaly going to fuck the us economy in the long term. the only thing i credit him with is understanding that modern politics is fucked because of the economics.

money gets tight, everyone starts looking for the freeloaders and profiteers. 'immigrants' get the blame for freeloading and jews are blamed for being profiteers (and spreading 'cultural marxism').



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RolStoppable said:
Pyro as Bill said:

He isn't though. he's probaly going to fuck the us economy in the long term. the only thing i credit him with is understanding that modern politics is fucked because of the economics.

money gets tight, everyone starts looking for the freeloaders and profiteers. 'immigrants' get the blame for freeloading and jews are blamed for being profiteers (and spreading 'cultural marxism').

Is Brexit a good or a bad thing?

depends.

if we abolish tariffs/quotas/regulations and replace eu protectionism with productive/efficient trade with non-eu countries then prices will fall and we will all (the whole world) get richer/benefit.

i know euros believe that 'taxation = civilisation' but the country (and it's colonies) that created and saved the modern world think differently. I get why people think such things, to them it seems intuitive however in the civilised world we understand that free trade (two parties freely exchanging their time/labour) without government interference benefits everyone. (it's taxation that pays for genocide, the roads/civilisation can take care of themselves)

Maybe if Euros paid more attention to heroes like Robin Hood and Jesus Christ, they'd understand that taxation is theft and money changers should be whipped.



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I try to get the thread back on track.

I am not a Tibetan Buddhist, so the Dalai Lama's words have little weight for me personally, but what he says is right if we would live in a better world. In a better world, the refugees are returning to their country, to their hometowns once the war is over. They will get the chance to build up their homeland with massive support from the international community.

however this is a very rare scenario in reality. Often times War/civil War never really ends and the country becomes a failed State like Libya or Somalia or the fraction who won the war becomes the new regime and returning refugees are threatened with political persecution or the land where the people once live is now occupied by another nation and they can't return.

Also I think if refugees lived in my country for long time, have jobs and are well integrated we should let them stay here if they don't want to go back even after the initial cause for them to became refugees is gone.

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MrWayne said:

I try to get the thread back on track.

I am not a Tibetan Buddhist, so the Dalai Lama's words have little weight for me personally, but what he says is right if we would live in a better world. In a better world, the refugees are returning to their country, to their hometowns once the war is over. They will get the chance to build up their homeland with massive support from the international community.

however this is a very rare scenario in reality. Often times War/civil War never really ends and the country becomes a failed State like Libya or Somalia or the fraction who won the war becomes the new regime and returning refugees are threatened with political persecution or the land where the people once live is now occupied by another nation and they can't return.

Also I think if refugees lived in my country for long time, has a job and is well integrated we should let them stay here if they don't want to go back even after the initial cause for them to became refugees is gone.

Yeah... So let's not forget that e.g. USA and Russia have zero interest in ending warfare (it prints money).



John2290 said: 

Again. It's difficult to understand a thing you're saying let alone how it relates to the Dalai Lamas speech. 

You might have noticed people in this thread conflating migrants with refugees. My point is exactly that. Cut the crap and admit it's about race, or culture at least.

I used to live on a street with Kosovans. We didn't want them here and they didn't want to be here, after the war, they went home. I suspect most refugees want to return home.

Migrants aren't the same as refugees and refugees aren't the same as asylum seekers.



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