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Dr.Vita said:

It's funny how all of the people here are making fun of the op without having any points to contradict what he is saying.

That's because you are telling the truth about the current situation with the Switch and I completely agree with you.

I actually found myself in the rare situation that making any further point is a waste of my time. The thread title is a contradiction in it's self, no need to go any deeper than that.

Nintendo Switch outsold the Wii U's lifetime sales in not even a year, months. Clearly that wasn't because they did nothing different than what they did with the Wii U otherwise, there would be no reason why it failed while Switch succeeded.

You clearly don't own a Wii U and Switch otherwise the difference would be night and day. Heck the Wii and DS's software library is starting to fall short at this point in my opinion (albeit due to no split platforms).

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No love for deamon x machina?



OP, if you are a Nintendo fan, as you imply, then there should be more than enough just with 1st party releases to keep you satisfied.



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outlawauron said:
Ljink96 said:

Okay, I don't think that logic is sound. It is not a similar amount of games. Switch software is selling very well, it's getting Wii U ports, on top of new games. I don't see how this can be portrayed in a negative light unless you don't like Nintendo and Japanese gaming which yeah, Switch is mostly focused on. The software that Switch has gotten and is getting blows the Wii U out of the water. 

Wii U didn't get any Final Fantasy games that mattered, no real 3D Sandbox Mario Game, Luigi's Mansion, Animal Crossing, and Switch versions of Wii U games are outselling the Wii U versions. It factually can't be worse than the Wii U. This is a direct in September, Nintendo isn't going to show their whole hand in one direct. The shear amount of games shown in this direct is more than enough to sell tons of software and hardware. Gamefreak's new RPG, Pokemon, Smash, Yoshi, all before the second year is up. 2019 is already shaping up quite well.

If you're a western gaming fan, you probably are not a fan of this direct and in all honesty...you should own a PS4 or Xbox. Switch is not getting most western PS4 and XBox Games. I mean, what do you think would have made the direct better?

When is Switch getting a Final Fantasy game that matters?

As far as the rest of the post, I don't think you can argue success, but criticizing Nintendo for not having a great lineup this year before Smash is a pretty valid complaint. Not sure why he'd use the Wii U as a reference point when we know what is coming. I think I shouldn't expect too much from OP on this though. Nintendo has done things to shore up their first party offerings in 2018.

Considering that every FF since X has been pedestrian or not really FF (XII was a good Rpg but it didn't feel like FF and I haven't played XV since I have been boycotting the series since XIII) we are getting on Switch all the Final Fantasies that matter.



Ljink96 said:
outlawauron said:

When is Switch getting a Final Fantasy game that matters?

As far as the rest of the post, I don't think you can argue success, but criticizing Nintendo for not having a great lineup this year before Smash is a pretty valid complaint. Not sure why he'd use the Wii U as a reference point when we know what is coming. I think I shouldn't expect too much from OP on this though. Nintendo has done things to shore up their first party offerings in 2018.

Well, it's subjective. There are a ton of people who are excited about the FF games that were announced, FFVII on Nintendo matters to a lot of people. Wii U just got FF1, FFII, and FFIII. That's nothing compared to the games that were announced for Switch yesterday. FF games that were not on Nintendo platforms, and now they are...it matters to a lot of people. Zodiac Age just launched last year on PS4, this means a lot to Nintendo fans who never got these games. And...it isn't going to stop here.

Arguing that it has had a poor lineup is valid, I've said that in numerous posts. But again, that's subjective. Switch software and hardware is keeping up with PS4 even with the poor software support, but obviously a lot of people are engaged in the software on the Switch even if we aren't. Complaints are always valid, it's pushing that as a fact that gets kind of gray especially when we have quantitative data that supports the fact. 

I said earlier in a different post, have your opinion, that's great.  But the fact of the matter is people are buying software on Switch at a rapid pace compared to the Wii U. 

I understand the "gotcha" or cultural factor but are you really arguing that mobile phone and pc ports of games that are two decades old are meaningful? I don't see it.

Maybe I just need to readjust my perception, because I would think that the only meaningful FF game that could be announced for Switch at this point would be a FF7 remake or FF16 proper. I don't place a high value on the FF10/12 remasters and maybe I should?



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outlawauron said:
Ljink96 said:

Well, it's subjective. There are a ton of people who are excited about the FF games that were announced, FFVII on Nintendo matters to a lot of people. Wii U just got FF1, FFII, and FFIII. That's nothing compared to the games that were announced for Switch yesterday. FF games that were not on Nintendo platforms, and now they are...it matters to a lot of people. Zodiac Age just launched last year on PS4, this means a lot to Nintendo fans who never got these games. And...it isn't going to stop here.

Arguing that it has had a poor lineup is valid, I've said that in numerous posts. But again, that's subjective. Switch software and hardware is keeping up with PS4 even with the poor software support, but obviously a lot of people are engaged in the software on the Switch even if we aren't. Complaints are always valid, it's pushing that as a fact that gets kind of gray especially when we have quantitative data that supports the fact. 

I said earlier in a different post, have your opinion, that's great.  But the fact of the matter is people are buying software on Switch at a rapid pace compared to the Wii U. 

I understand the "gotcha" or cultural factor but are you really arguing that mobile phone and pc ports of games that are two decades old are meaningful? I don't see it.

Maybe I just need to readjust my perception, because I would think that the only meaningful FF game that could be announced for Switch at this point would be a FF7 remake or FF16 proper. I don't place a high value on the FF10/12 remasters and maybe I should?

Well, you don't have to see it. I can't convince anyone to see anything that they can't. I just know that myself included, among others, we feel it is meaningful. Especially games that were just released on PS4 a year or 2 ago. This opens the door for more content from Square Enix on the FF side, and like I said. Stay tuned for what's in store for the future. It's...bright.

Bottom line is, it may not matter to you but it matters to a lot of other people. The Nintendo Switch Reddit in particular is lighting up over this news. Not everyone owns a PS4 and Switch, for a lot of people Switch is their only platform. Xbox as well, because it's getting these games for the first time as well. If it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things, I don't think Square Enix would have put forth the effort to even release these games.

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jason1637 said:

Just watched hte new direct a.d i was very dissapointed. Bought a Switch a few months ago and got some games from last year like ARMS, Splatoon 2 and MK8D. The only games i was looking forward to before the direct were Pokemon and Smash. Now the direct is over and im looking forward to Pokemon, Smash, Luigis Mansion and Animal Crossing. That's only two other games i'm excited for and thats honestly really sad. That would mean by the end of 2019 i would have only bought two Nintendo games in 2018 and two in 2019. I feel like the switch is showing early signs of being another Wii U. There is a lack of interesting games. I think that the Switch might be even worse than the Wii U because a lot of it's games and upcoming games are games i already have on the Wii U, boring indie games, and games that will run better on my Xbox One or PC.

 

The problem with that statement is that you are using a point that is purely subjective (few games that interest you on Switch) and inferring that it is evidence for your theory (that the Switch situation is like the Wii U situation and that Nintendo has not learned). Just because you are distressed about only being interested in 2 games next year for Switch does not mean that everyone else is in the same situation, it also does not mean that the rest of the system's lineup no longer exists because you do not care about it. Similarly, just because you can play multiplats on your PC and Xbox One does not mean that everyone else will desire to do so, a good deal of people with a Switch might like to play on the go and may prefer the Switch version. The Switch has now surpassed the Wii U's lifetime sales, so to many of those that skipped the Wii U there is value in the Wii U ports (as evidenced by the sales of some of the ports). Moreover, what you may find boring in terms of indie titles, are not boring to others. 

Once we take the subjectiveness out (few titles appealing specifically to you), there is very little in the Switch situation that resembles the Wii U situation. The Switch has much better third-party support than Wii U did, particularly from Japan. The system has had a much more steady flow of first-party titles releases (regardless of whether or not they appeal to you) and that trend seems to be continuing into 2019. First-party software sales are healthy and third-party sales must be meeting expectations since support has seemingly increased, whereas on Wii U it fizzled out shortly after the system released.

jason1637 said: 

I know saying the switch will fall off a cliff has become a meme but honestly a few months after Smash Bros comes out I expect Switch sales to drop off a lot because i'm expecting the big games like Metriod and Animal Crossing to be late 2019. I feel like early and mid 2019 will be as barren as early and mid 208 but the only reason the Switch has sold well in 2018 is because its still a new console but in 2019 the new console hype will die down and sales are going to drop unless Nintendo picks up the pace. They need to stop with the remasters, gimped third parties and give us interesting Nintendo games.

The interesting thing is that the falling off a cliff prediction was made for early 2018 at the end of 2017 on the basis of the hype dying, since that did not come to fruition you are now delaying it for one year.People will not overlook the games that they want and stop buying a console because you are not excited for certain games. There are people excited about Daemon X Machina, Yoshi's Crafted World, Fire Emblem The Three Houses, Pokemon 2019, New Super Mario Bros U, Bayonetta 3, Metroid Prime, etc. Those that like playing on the go will likely enjoy the third-party titles, even if they may exhibit better graphical fidelity elsewhere. Moreover, indie sales indicate that there is an audience for these types of games on the Switch. 

jason1637 said: 

The only reason a game like Octopath Traveler sold so well was because Nintendo had no games this year.

Do you have any proof for that what so ever? Why would people buy a game that they do not want, especially since most Switch owners in Europe and US (70% in the US) own another console and can pickup other games not on the Switch? Also, looking beyond a mere subjective perspective based on what interests you, Nintendo released Captain Toad and Mario Tennis in very close range to Octopath Traveler, not to mention players could also play the Bayonetta collection, Kirby Star Allies, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze or one of the Nintendo titles that came out in 2017. Once again, you are taking your personal disinterest in a game and inferring that others are also not interested, but rationalizing the good sales (that counter your point) by saying that it was because there were no other games (which is also not true).  



I agree with the title, but not for the reason you mentioned.

I think they wanted to forget Wii U so badly they completed erased the progress made during that generation.

I don't have too many complaints about the 1P lineup. This year was definitely a little weak, but I don't expect every 1P release to appeal to me. For those that didn't have a Wii U, they're probably drowning in software. Next year is already solid. If 2019 doesn't float your boat, I don't know why you bothered with the platform at all knowing the trajectory of their previous efforts.

NSMBUDX, Yoshi CW, Fire Emblem 3H, Town, AC, Luigi, Metroid, Bayo 

That's just what we know about and it's already looking hot, Hot, HOT. Nintendo sees the success of party games, so I'm guessing there's at least one of those in the mix as well. Take your pick of Wario or a Sports game/collection. Switch is going to be an absolute monster next year. 

But there are issues. 3P is still weak (definitely the direct successor to 3DS here, but without some of the bigger early life exclusives), online is...yea, and the hope for added features slips further away each direct. 

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jonathanalis said:
No love for deamon x machina?

Based on what I've seen, it looks sweet. Port beg worthy.



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I mean.. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you you're somehow wrong for your feelings about Switch. If it aint your bag then it aint your bag. Though, I definitely think the statement "Nintendo did not learn anything from Wii U's failure" is objectively false, at least in many respects. Aside from creating a much more slick, portable device, and quicker, less convoluted interface, they also have a much larger and more diverse lineup of steady releases in comparison to the Wii U.

Maybe I'm not the best source as I don't have a ton of $ to spend on video games anyway, and I also own an XB One so have it pretty well off there, but the Switch already has more games I want than I can really keep up with or afford. Super Mario Party, Yoshi, Smash, FF Crystal Chronicles, 7, and 9, Diablo 3, Xenoblade 2 Torna, Starlink, Tales of Vesperia, Bloodstained

Plus I still want to eventually pick up Hyrule Warriors, Minecraft Switch, Skyrim, Wolfenstein 2, Rocket League, Dark Souls Remastered, etc..

And this doesn't even count the indie games, which is probably another dozen or so titles over the next several months alone. I think I'm good for awhile.

Is the lineup port heavy? At the moment, sure. But this is more or less to be expected in a console's first couple years. It takes time to develop games, especially with the third parties, most of whom I assume just thought the thing was going to fail and didn't plan any major development for it until fairly recently when they started to see dollar signs,

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