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EricHiggin on 10 September 2018

This reminds me of some of the lazy reasoning why God can't exist. (Just making a point, not trying to question anyone's religion)

God is love. God creates the universe. The universe leads to life. Life isn't perfect. God must not be real and/or sucks so don't bother.

PS is 4 the players. PS creates great ecosystems. Great ecosystems lead to great games. Games aren't perfect. PS are liars and/or suck so don't bother.



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 10 September 2018
Kerotan said:

That reveal for zelda looked pretty cinematic to me despite the cartoon graphics. They revealed the trailer and led people to believe the final product would look like that. Watch some YouTube comparisons to see how big the downgrade was. But no massive backlash at launch. 

Literally the only reason that is a talking point on VGC is because I brought that up more than a year ago... immediately after I did people made threads expressing outrage. Lmao. You're preaching to the choir. 

 

As far as the trailer being "cinematic", I honestly do not think it was misleading. It was just a short reveal meant to show a surprising new world. All first trailers of games are that linear and vague (or "cinematic"). Most trailers for games are more cinematic than the  games but they don't advertise the game itself as being such. I DO think the final trailer was misleading, because it made me expect a great story and what we got was mediocrity. 



Runa216 on 10 September 2018
PwerlvlAmy said:
Runa216 said:
I just think people should stop putting so much stock into graphics.

I agree. People focus way too much on them that it becomes a near obsession at times. 

Like, pretty graphics are nice and all, but have you played games that are fun, engaging, and have a great story? I'd rather play something crisp and precise like Bayonetta to Crysis any day. Hell, most of the games I've been playing this year are remasters from last gen or before, virtual console SNES/GBA games, indies, or are inspired by SNES games. The only 'AAA' game I've played all year that I love is God of War. The other games I've spent the most time with are:

Mega Man Legacy Collection 1+2
Mega Man X Legacy Collection 1+2
Octopath Traveler
Hollow Knight
Axiom Verge
Dark Souls Remastered
Skyrim Special Edition
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze (Might not count since WiiU/Switch are same generation)
Owlboy
Minecraft
Sonic Mania
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy X HD
Final Fantasy XII HD

Other than that, yeah. I think Donkey Kong might count as current gen AAA and God of War definitely is. other than that, everything else has simple graphics, is indie, is a remake from past generations, or is deliberately harkening back to the 90's. Graphics are nice and they definitely help a game stand out, but they are a means to an end. 



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PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

The_Liquid_Laser on 10 September 2018
Masked_Muchaco said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Go back and reread our posts.  That will help you remember.

I remember it very well, I was just playing along with you.

In your first post you said Sony asks for the criticism they get, because they boast about their games having better graphics than other games.

"However Sony kind of asks for criticism.  It tries to distinguish itself from Nintendo especially by saying how much better the graphics are in the Sony games."

But you didn't provide any evidence of them doing such thing, so I asked you when did they do that, but you choose not to answer my question and now here we are.

If you still think I'm missing something, please tell  me exactly what it is, that would be very appreciated :)

You are misinterpreting what I meant. 

I am saying that graphics is one of the main selling points of a Sony game.  It is what they advertise.  When they advertise they they have great graphics, then that is one way they distinguish themselves from Nintendo.  

So since graphics are more of a selling point for Sony, then they invite criticism when their graphics appear better in a trailer than at home.  Nintendo can do the same thing and people don't care as much, since graphics is not really what they advertise.

This is authentically what I meant.  You seemed to be have been upset over something that I wasn't trying to say in the first place.  I hope this clears things up.



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mjk45 on 10 September 2018
DonFerrari said:
Well I haven't seem this happen at VGC since forever and I don't check other sites.

The first time I remember this type of conversation was Killzone 2's intro that argument started out about pre rendered versus real time but when the game came out it turned to whether it was a downgrade.



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Masked_Muchaco on 10 September 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said:
Masked_Muchaco said:

I remember it very well, I was just playing along with you.

In your first post you said Sony asks for the criticism they get, because they boast about their games having better graphics than other games.

"However Sony kind of asks for criticism.  It tries to distinguish itself from Nintendo especially by saying how much better the graphics are in the Sony games."

But you didn't provide any evidence of them doing such thing, so I asked you when did they do that, but you choose not to answer my question and now here we are.

If you still think I'm missing something, please tell  me exactly what it is, that would be very appreciated :)

You are misinterpreting what I meant. 

I am saying that graphics is one of the main selling points of a Sony game.  It is what they advertise.  When they advertise they they have great graphics, then that is one way they distinguish themselves from Nintendo.  

So since graphics are more of a selling point for Sony, then they invite criticism when their graphics appear better in a trailer than at home.  Nintendo can do the same thing and people don't care as much, since graphics is not really what they advertise.

This is authentically what I meant.  You seemed to be have been upset over something that I wasn't trying to say in the first place.  I hope this clears things up.

I get what you're saying now, but don't agree with it though. Sorry if I sound aggressive in my responses, I wasn't upset, it's just that I hate when people spread misinformation or accuse people or companies of doing things they didn't, but now I see that I was misinterpreting your point, so sorry about that too.



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The_Liquid_Laser on 10 September 2018
Masked_Muchaco said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

You are misinterpreting what I meant. 

I am saying that graphics is one of the main selling points of a Sony game.  It is what they advertise.  When they advertise they they have great graphics, then that is one way they distinguish themselves from Nintendo.  

So since graphics are more of a selling point for Sony, then they invite criticism when their graphics appear better in a trailer than at home.  Nintendo can do the same thing and people don't care as much, since graphics is not really what they advertise.

This is authentically what I meant.  You seemed to be have been upset over something that I wasn't trying to say in the first place.  I hope this clears things up.

I get what you're saying now, but don't agree with it though. Sorry if I sound aggressive in my responses, I wasn't upset, it's just that I hate when people spread misinformation or accuse people or companies of doing things they didn't, but now I see that I was misinterpreting your point, so sorry about that too.

Good.  I'm glad we cleared things up.



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BoseDK on 10 September 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said:
Masked_Muchaco said:

I remember it very well, I was just playing along with you.

In your first post you said Sony asks for the criticism they get, because they boast about their games having better graphics than other games.

"However Sony kind of asks for criticism.  It tries to distinguish itself from Nintendo especially by saying how much better the graphics are in the Sony games."

But you didn't provide any evidence of them doing such thing, so I asked you when did they do that, but you choose not to answer my question and now here we are.

If you still think I'm missing something, please tell  me exactly what it is, that would be very appreciated :)

You are misinterpreting what I meant. 

I am saying that graphics is one of the main selling points of a Sony game.  It is what they advertise.  When they advertise they they have great graphics, then that is one way they distinguish themselves from Nintendo.  

So since graphics are more of a selling point for Sony, then they invite criticism when their graphics appear better in a trailer than at home.  Nintendo can do the same thing and people don't care as much, since graphics is not really what they advertise.

This is authentically what I meant.  You seemed to be have been upset over something that I wasn't trying to say in the first place.  I hope this clears things up.

All of that is irrelevant because the fact of the matter is that none of these Sony games suffered any downgrades, and were intact better looking than what was shown in the gameplay presentations. You're defending people who basically made up BS to start controversies about the games.

Also people not expecting Nintendo games to be lookers is not a valid reason for why it's okay for them to downgrade their games. That's fanboy talk.



smroadkill15 on 10 September 2018
BoseDK said:

You cannot be serious...

Sea of Thieves and State of Decay had downgrades that make Watch Dogs downgrade seem like a non issue.

https://youtu.be/4wqVrsl5pco

 

https://twitter.com/tru8888/status/976490226368512000?s=21

Downgrade with Sea of Thieves I can see, but State of Decay still looks the same when I actually watch the reveal trailer. I will go back to my first post I made. At the end of the day, it honestly doesn't matter for either Sony or MS. If anyone really gets worked up over something like this, I feel sorry for them. 



BoseDK on 10 September 2018
smroadkill15 said:
BoseDK said:

You cannot be serious...

Sea of Thieves and State of Decay had downgrades that make Watch Dogs downgrade seem like a non issue.

https://youtu.be/4wqVrsl5pco

 

https://twitter.com/tru8888/status/976490226368512000?s=21

Downgrade with Sea of Thieves I can see, but State of Decay still looks the same when I actually watch the reveal trailer. I will go back to my first post I made. At the end of the day, it honestly doesn't matter for either Sony or MS. If anyone really gets worked up over something like this, I feel sorry for them. 

And you were so sure there was no downgrade and MS advertised exactly what they released. There's like a generational gap between the adverts and the final product. Watch Dogs downgrade was less pronounced. This isn't even something you don't even need a second glance to see it's a downgrade.

I agree it's often ridiculous when people are looking at every pixel to see the differences but these MS games are not that kind of case, the difference is simply ridiculous between what they showed and what they delivered. Luckily? for MS the games were so terrible that a graphical downgrade was the last thing on anyone's mind.