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shikamaru317 said:
FentonCrackshell said:
I’m black and think this is a bad idea. Just doesn’t fit. But what if it’s not even that? The OP is telling us this but we don’t even know for sure. But these angry folks need to be honest with themselves are just say that any minority characters piss them off. Stop pretending like it’s just changing of whites to non-whites that anger you. One even says “go woke, go broke”, meaning if you try to make a diverse cast they can’t watch. I wonder if this means they walk around society with their eyes closed in order to not see how diverse the real world is?

That's the biggest load of bull I think I've read yet. This "either you're ok with it or you're a racist mentality" is utter nonsense.

I can only speak for myself, but I am perfectly fine with minority characters in media as long as they fit and don't feel forced. Just as a for instance, I'm looking forward to watching Iron Fist season 2 tonight, and my favorite character on that show is Colleen Wing, an Asian. Changing the established race of a main character in a series is most definitely forced though. This is way worse than when they made Hermione black for the Harry Potter play, in that case I don't think Hermione was ever specifically mentioned to be white in the books, but Ciri's skin color is mentioned in 2 different Witcher books. 

I agree that they shouldn’t change her and hope they reverse this decision. But when the line “Why can’t they just add some minority background characters?” is uttered I’m lead to believe you’d prefer to see the minorities in the background. And I wasn’t aiming my response at you per sé. It’s just that whenever a character is shifted (especially to black) there’s some huge dust up about it. For instance, Starfire is black in the Titans film and people harassed the actress so much that she had to disable her social media. On the other hand, pretty boy blonde Aquaman has shifted to a scruffy, tattooed, and bearded Samoan and there’s nary a peep. 

 

Look, I don’t want Jason Mamoa to receive backlash for being casted but that’s generally how it works. Black shifts are met with more angst/anger. But back to the topic. It’s dumb to change Ciri. And I hope they don’t because it’ll lead to the series losing fans for no reason which could lead to its failure. But from what I can tell you is that we’re very much used to seeing white casts in media and for the longest time we just watched and enjoyed it. Now they’re adding more minorities and some folks feel threatened by it. 



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Spike0503 said:

Terrible idea and bastardization of the source material. I will never support any adaptation that treats its source material with disdain instead of actual respect. If they feel like the cast isn't "diverse enough" (which I find silly) then create some new characters, don't bastardize already existing ones. This is quite troubling, after reading the news about Henry Cavill I was excited about the adaptation but this is a deal breaker unless the casting people reconsider.

 

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
The Witcher games and books are sexist that they decided to counter-balance it with some positivity for once on the Netflix side of things

Nicely done

What the hell are you talking about?. Even if the books are sexist, how is this decision "positive" in any way shape or form?.

I hope that was a joke and it flew over my head.

Bingo.



deskpro2k3 said:
If only Hollywood did this when making "Gods of Egypt"

Right! lol



setsunatenshi said:
FentonCrackshell said:
I’m black and think this is a bad idea. Just doesn’t fit. But what if it’s not even that? The OP is telling us this but we don’t even know for sure. But these angry folks need to be honest with themselves are just say that any minority characters piss them off. Stop pretending like it’s just changing of whites to non-whites that anger you. One even says “go woke, go broke”, meaning if you try to make a diverse cast they can’t watch. I wonder if this means they walk around society with their eyes closed in order to not see how diverse the real world is?

I think you're missing the point here, it's really not about having a diverse cast by itself, it's about taking an established character with very specific features (whose lineage is kind of a big deal in the lore) and superimposing a different racial make up to that said character.

From what I see it's the deliberate choice to exclude white actresses from playing a character that in the books and game is pretty much as white as can be. It would at least keep the appearance of fairness to not deliberately exclude white actresses from applying to that role, even if in the end they decided to pick a non-white actress.

I'm 99% sure these same people would be pissed if they decided to cast Blade as a white guy or Light (Death note) as a white guy as well (yet the last one actually happened and I couldn't force myself to even watch that train wreck).

From my personal take I would love to see different stories told, with new characters of whatever racial diversity the authors want to make them, I just don't get why directors feel the need to hijack an established character and then change them for no apparent reason. 

No I completely understand. And Blade is actually a black character who could shift to being a different race and not have it affect his story. Blade isn’t like Luke Cage or John Stewart Green Lantern. Both those characters are from rough, black neighborhoods that play a role in who they are. And you’re absolutely right about if it were the other way around those in favor would be pissed.

I was on the other side when they changed Johnny Storm. It just frustrates me that whenever a minority (usually black) character is added to something it’s always met with argument surrounding their addition. The Beyond Good & Evil trailer had a black female character who’s just there, they didn’t shift an old character. They just created a new one. People fussed about it. People gripes about Nadine Ross being added to Uncharted as an “SJW” move even though there’s been minority characters in every Uncharted game. Maybe my ill-feelings go deeper than what’s at hand but these things have occurred. But yeah, don’t change Ciri. If she’s anything other than what we know her to be then she’s not Ciri (in my opinion). 



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Aeolus451 said:
melbye said:
Kinda discriminatory to exclude white actresses from the casting-process, especially when the character is supposed to be white

Could led to a fairly eas-to-win lawsuit because of that.

No so “easy-to-win” as this sort of thing happens all over the world and the creators usually come out on top when they get sued for it. 



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Well, gonna be hard to picture anyone who doesn't looke like the video game Ciri as her.

But otherwise, I hate seeing a race casting, hiring or anything where description is stating they want it specifically.

But, if they are going to do it, they better change up then the whole racial make up of the world. The emperor and his people will have ot all be the same race as her then.



shikamaru317 said:
FentonCrackshell said:

I agree that they shouldn’t change her and hope they reverse this decision. But when the line “Why can’t they just add some minority background characters?” is uttered I’m lead to believe you’d prefer to see the minorities in the background. And I wasn’t aiming my response at you per sé. It’s just that whenever a character is shifted (especially to black) there’s some huge dust up about it. For instance, Starfire is black in the Titans film and people harassed the actress so much that she had to disable her social media. On the other hand, pretty boy blonde Aquaman has shifted to a scruffy, tattooed, and bearded Samoan and there’s nary a peep. 

 

Look, I don’t want Jason Mamoa to receive backlash for being casted but that’s generally how it works. Black shifts are met with more angst/anger. But back to the topic. It’s dumb to change Ciri. And I hope they don’t because it’ll lead to the series losing fans for no reason which could lead to its failure. But from what I can tell you is that we’re very much used to seeing white casts in media and for the longest time we just watched and enjoyed it. Now they’re adding more minorities and some folks feel threatened by it. 

Just to clarify, I posted the OP when I was pretty mad after first hearing about this news, so I might have been a bit too hasty with what I said. Also, I was specifically referring to the fact that there aren't alot of dark skinned characters within the Witcher lore, there is just 1 country with dark skinned people, Zerrikania, which is hundreds or possibly even over 1000 miles to the south-east of the countries where the Witcher books take place. So it doesn't really make sense within the lore for their to be any dark skinned characters within this show, except maybe 1 or 2 showing up as background characters. Would it really be that bad if the entire main cast was white in a fantasy show based on medieval Europe, which was 99% white? We have shows with all black or all asian casts and nobody bats an eyelash, but to have a show with an all white cast in 2018 is tantamount to heresy. I just don't understand it. 

That being said, I'd personally be ok with them creating a new, original Zerrikanian main/recurring character for the show just so the cast wouldn't be all white, but I feel like changing the established race of main character is going way too far in the pursuit of diversity

Bolded = agree

And I let my anger get the best of me as well. My apologies if I came across as if I don’t understand. I posted a reply to another poster and I think the things I listed were in my head when I read the OP. And I do side with you when you say shows are allowed to have full minority casts and not be maligned like shows with full white casts. I think that bullsh!t when it occurs. Ciri being anything other than who we know her as isn’t right.

For the record, it’s like these studios are out of touch with blacks to be honest. If this show were full-on white I know I’d be excited as I am to watch it because I lobe The Witcher. Most blacks (not all) don’t care if something is all white. Epscially when the material suggests it should be. Like, we love Idris Elba, but if Heimdal were white we’d have still watch Thor. Sometimes I take it as a slap in the face to do this. Like we’re being thrown a bone because they want out cash. But on the other hand, the backlash that the internet throws out there can feel just as bad, most often worse. 



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shikamaru317 said:

In case you were wondering, BAME stands for Black, Asian, or Minority Ethnic in the UK.

Why do SJW's have to ruin everything with this forced diversity nonsense? There is literally no reason for Ciri to be anything other than White, she is the daughter of Emhyr var Emreis, who is shown to be white, and through her mother, Pavetta Fionna Elen, she is a 3rd generation descendant of Skellige blood, Skelligens being based on real life Scandinavians.

Why does there need to be a racially diverse main cast in everything, even in series where it doesn't make sense? Can't they just have a few side characters who are minorities? Why is that not good enough, when there are plenty of other series with diverse main casts?

What do you mean by SJW? Because shoving minority characters into roles that don't make sense to them doesn't seem like social justice for anybody. Making Ciri non-white isn't just absurd and unnecessary. In fact, it erases the identity that fits Ciri better for the sake of a meaningless form of inclusion. Rather than write in an original character that actually represents the black community or the asian community, they demonstrate how little they care about those minorities by lumping them together under some ridiculous acronym. BAME? Really? So if your ancestors hail anywhere from Africa or Asia, that's fine? Does "minority ethnic" just mean not white? That acronym basically encompasses half the surface of the earth! And they're going to put them in a Scandinavian character? This is disrespectful to black people, asian people, and white people, and everybody really. I don't think it's fair to shove this on people that like social justice. SJW as a term implies that anybody that thinks society could be more fair than it is now is just some unthinking militant for a cause. What these people are doing isn't social justice. There's nothing just about lumping all minorities together like it's everyone vs the white people, and there's nothing just about erasing the history and culture of scandinavia for...what exactly? The ability to wear non-white skin like it's some kind of boy-scout badge? They think it shows that they earned their "racial inclusion" badge? Fuck them. Don't throw this on people that care about social justice, because aside from a few people that are too deep into a certain ideological bubble to be reasoned with, very few of us are on board with this crap.



FentonCrackshell said:
setsunatenshi said:

I think you're missing the point here, it's really not about having a diverse cast by itself, it's about taking an established character with very specific features (whose lineage is kind of a big deal in the lore) and superimposing a different racial make up to that said character.

From what I see it's the deliberate choice to exclude white actresses from playing a character that in the books and game is pretty much as white as can be. It would at least keep the appearance of fairness to not deliberately exclude white actresses from applying to that role, even if in the end they decided to pick a non-white actress.

I'm 99% sure these same people would be pissed if they decided to cast Blade as a white guy or Light (Death note) as a white guy as well (yet the last one actually happened and I couldn't force myself to even watch that train wreck).

From my personal take I would love to see different stories told, with new characters of whatever racial diversity the authors want to make them, I just don't get why directors feel the need to hijack an established character and then change them for no apparent reason. 

No I completely understand. And Blade is actually a black character who could shift to being a different race and not have it affect his story. Blade isn’t like Luke Cage or John Stewart Green Lantern. Both those characters are from rough, black neighborhoods that play a role in who they are. And you’re absolutely right about if it were the other way around those in favor would be pissed.

I was on the other side when they changed Johnny Storm. It just frustrates me that whenever a minority (usually black) character is added to something it’s always met with argument surrounding their addition. The Beyond Good & Evil trailer had a black female character who’s just there, they didn’t shift an old character. They just created a new one. People fussed about it. People gripes about Nadine Ross being added to Uncharted as an “SJW” move even though there’s been minority characters in every Uncharted game. Maybe my ill-feelings go deeper than what’s at hand but these things have occurred. But yeah, don’t change Ciri. If she’s anything other than what we know her to be then she’s not Ciri (in my opinion). 

I agree, don't change Citi... hell, don't change any established character, just create new ones and feel free to make them as diverse as possible :)



NintendoCM said:

The issue I find with most arguments as to why they would change it, is why does it negative effect you? Saying "why not just leave the character as white", is virtually the same as "what's the harm in making her a person of color". I see this day after day and it can make the video game community really toxic. I think the biggest factor is white people are represented 10 to 1 in cinema and television and studies show other demographics can gain more confidence, security, happiness when someone that represents them is in a film or television project. I'm not saying that it can't get out of hand, in the case of when it has no logical place. But it seems to me like people are making a mountain out of a moll hill.

Yet rather than create a new, original character that represents black or asian people in any way, they just throw black or asian skin on a Scandinavian character. White people are so represented in film because Hollywood is the dominant film industry and it developed in a majority white (for now) nation. I don't like toxicity in the gaming community any more than the next guy, and I'm sure a lot of the backlash will be based in white identity politics or outright white supremacism rather than a backlash against identity politics in general. But this is a character based in Scandinavian culture and history, and it is no more okay to erase that than to erase a minority character. Not to mention, minority is only respective of US demographics. Imagine if Bollywood adapted Guacamelee into a film and made Juan the luchador played by an Indian? Would that not be just bullshit? Or would you say "what's the harm? How does it negatively affect you?" They would just be making one minority character into another, from the US perspective, so should we care? Of course we should! A luchador is Mexican, and the game is based in a fantasy world where everything is Mexico, called the Mexiverse (seriously, that's what the developer calls it)! It would be ridiculous for the entire cast not to be Mexican! Similarly, a game based in a fantasy world  where everything is medieval Europe should have white people, with maybe a few minority characters here or there, but the Scandinavian woman should definitely not be that minority character. It is not racist or toxic to suggest that. If there were a black wizard or something, that could happen, but they'd be their own character with their own identity, not a coat of paint over a Scandinavian woman. That's not even all that far from black face, really. I guess that's what we have the term tokenism for. And we should take it seriously. What they're doing here doesn't advance black or asian people, it just takes a beloved character and changes the character from what people who actually care about that character remember.