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shikamaru317 said:
Runa216 said:

You really don't understand human nature at all, do you? The more the whiny fans who hate the idea of white roles being 'taken away' complain, the more the production company and the showrunners will dig their heels in just as a matter of principle. If they budge and go with a white actress now, then there will be controversy over 'the racists winning' (Just my conjecture, that would almost certainly be the narrative whether it's true or not.) But if they stick to their guns, then the vocal minority will once again just have an excuse to be hateful and spiteful and whiny. 

Again, we don't know if the reason for this was thematic, based on story, or meant as a sort of new way to tell the same story. We don't know and really shouldn't assume that their intentions were just to make more money by doing a diversity hire or as some 'sjw agenda'. And honestly, anyone who says something along the lines of 'the sjw agenda' as some sort of way to devaluing artistic or commercial decisions automatically loses all my respect (not that they care about what I think anyway). If you object to the idea of being more inclusive and are using the status quo to justify it, then you're not a good person. Simple as that. 

Whine about me being on my high horse all you want, history will prove me right. If you object to minorities getting roles or more diversity in the workplace regardless of what workplace it is based solely on some misguided adherence to tradition in lieu of the very real changes society has gone through over the past decades, you are exactly the kind of person that's holding back progress. 

And if you use 'sjw' as a pejorative in this context, then you lose all credibility. 

They might do that, but our only chance of stopping this is to protest now, if we wait there is no chance they will change their minds, once a "BAME" Ciri is cast they won't be able to get away with recasting without facing backlash from the opposite crowd. However, if they change their minds now, and open up the casting to white girls as well as "BAME" girls  (I really hate that term, BAME, it seems offensive to me to lump all non-white races together in a single group, like they're purposefully trying to trying to stir up controversy between whites and non-whites), then they can safely cast a white girl by saying that she was the best person who auditioned for the role, without stirring up controversy from the opposite crowd.

I assume this 2nd paragraph isn't aimed at me, because I never said any of that. I'm not against more diversity in movies/tv, what I'm against is changing the established race of characters just so they can check-off the diversity checkbox on their list. That kind of forced diversity does more harm than it does good, it comes off as a transparent attempt to pacify those that want more diversity in media. If Lauren and her creative team on this Witcher tv series really wanted more diversity on the cast, she would create some new characters who match lore established dark skinned races like the Zerrikanians, instead of changing the race of an established main character, which is exactly what she said she wouldn't do just a few months ago. 

I would bet that even if they don't specifically looks for a non-white for the rest of the cast they will probably have some or several non-white on the story without you knowing the background so you don't know from where they or their ancestors originally are so even if you have 10-20% of non-white in several parts of the cities on the series it wouldn't be a problem.



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SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

Yep. And to change to non-white (while not even saying what they are looking for, the BAME they used is basically anyone not white) without any explanation and with the risk of breaking the lore is what is being complained.

Would a casting call really need to provide an explanation? 

When you want to cast someone specifically not white to a role of a specifically white and see why the white would be needed on the story then yes you need an explanation.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

KLAMarine said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Dey tuk yer jerbs!

Are you trivializing the importance of employment?

I’m mocking the faux-outrage over this non-issue of a casting decision.

DEY TUK YER JERRRRRBS!



SuaveSocialist said:
KLAMarine said:

Are you trivializing the importance of employment?

I’m mocking the faux-outrage over this non-issue of a casting decision.

DEY TUK YER JERRRRRBS!

It's a non-issue someone might be denied work because their skin color is wrong?



SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

Yep. And to change to non-white (while not even saying what they are looking for, the BAME they used is basically anyone not white) without any explanation and with the risk of breaking the lore is what is being complained.

Would a casting call really need to provide an explanation? 

They own rights to make TV show, Sapkowski signed the contract, so they pretty much can do whatever they want (just like games, I bet that's all fan fiction to him).

But casting Ciri as anything than non-white makes whole Cintra non-white as well, if they intend to have same connection between Emhyr, Ciri and Geralt like in source material.
Given Cintra's position, I already explained in other post what that means for other kingdoms south of Cintra.

In world where there is Zerrikania, Ofir and Zangvebar, so more than enough opportunities for non-white characters, making Ciri as anything but what she is in source material feels more than obvious as forced diversity, especially after Lauren's  "I will not deviate from the books’ races and cultures"...which apparently was outright lying.

So no, they don't really need to provide explanation...but you can see why fans that actually know lore and care about it are upset, and those "fans" who see this as opportunity for affirmative action are preaching ethics and other similar bollocks from their castles high up in the sky.



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DonFerrari said:

Runa216 said:
I think at this point it's very clear that people who are upset with this casting news just can't be reasoned with no matter how much history is brought up or how much of a precedent has been set or how many variations of the final product could still fit.

Some people are very racially sensitive about stuff like this and some people will do anything to find something to be outraged about.

I think I'm done trying to explain how this isn't a big deal. I've been wasting my time for days and I have shit to do. Y'all enjoy being hateful and spiteful and willfully ignorant in your sad, grumpy echo chambers while convincing yourself that diversity is bad. You're bad people, I want nothing to do with you, and this thread is a testament to the lengths people will go to justify their hatred.

Peace out.

Sorry but when you aren't willing to open and accept you have 0 ground on calling anyone wrong, closed or anything and you showed that the first post you made.

Hypocrite: 

 

noun

 

  1. person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually  possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
  2. person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
So when you are willing to open and accept that you have 0 ground on calling anyone wrong, we can talk. Until then, accept defeat. 


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SpokenTruth said:
KLAMarine said:

It's a non-issue someone might be denied work because their skin color is wrong?

That's largely irrelevant for something like acting.  A role may require someone be short, pale, female, purple hair, small chest, etc...   You can't call discrimination on everybody else who does not match that description.

Indeed but Ciri is an established character who is light-skinned.

Not only was that changed, I understand it is in writing that only a non-white actress can be hired for the role.

Why not just let the best actress play the role and whatever skin color she might be will be?

SpokenTruth said: 

And the concept of taking a job suggests someone else already had it.  in this case, it would mean that a white girl had to already be cast and then a BAME was hired to replace her.

It's not a matter of taking a job but rather denying the opportunity for someone who's white to show their own worth as an actress. Screwed right out of the gate.



SpokenTruth said:
HoloDust said:

They own rights to make TV show, Sapkowski signed the contract, so they pretty much can do whatever they want (just like games, I bet that's all fan fiction to him).

But casting Ciri as anything than non-white makes whole Cintra non-white as well, if they intend to have same connection between Emhyr, Ciri and Geralt like in source material.
Given Cintra's position, I already explained in other post what that means for other kingdoms south of Cintra.

In world where there is Zerrikania, Ofir and Zangvebar, so more than enough opportunities for non-white characters, making Ciri as anything but what she is in source material feels more than obvious as forced diversity, especially after Lauren's  "I will not deviate from the books’ races and cultures"...which apparently was outright lying.

So no, they don't really need to provide explanation...but you can see why fans that actually know lore and care about it are upset, and those "fans" who see this as opportunity for affirmative action are preaching ethics and other similar bollocks from their castles high up in the sky.

Read my question again.  With a casting call, do they really need to provide an explanation?  Again, it's a casting call.  how many casting calls have you seen where they explain the plot and circumstances of the story?  None.  Because they are irrelevant to casting actors.

Do the fans want an explanation?  Sure.  But you don't get one with a casting call.

Ah, ok, misunderstood what you were saying...you're right, they don't.



SpokenTruth said:
KLAMarine said:

Indeed but Ciri is an established character who is light-skinned.

Not only was that changed, I understand it is in writing that only a non-white actress can be hired for the role.

Why not just let the best actress play the role and whatever skin color she might be will be?

It's not a matter of taking a job but rather denying the opportunity for someone who's white to show their own worth as an actress. Screwed right out of the gate.

1. But that's irrelevant in a casting call.  The choice of the character and what they should or should not look like has already been determined.  It's a casting call.  Not a story development meeting.  That's already happened.

2. Again, that's irrelevant in acting.  A BAME didn't take a white girl's job because this was never a white girl's job to begin with.  By your logic, any choice is a denial of all other actors who are not that choice.  Need a male, denied all females.  Need someone tall, denied all short actors. Need someone athletic, denied all large actors. Need someone light skinned, denied all dark skin.  Need someone beautiful, denied all homely.  Need someone who can sing, denied all non singers.

That's understandable: a historical film for example would have such requirements and aptly so.

Is Ciri's skin color relevant to the story of Witcher?



SpokenTruth said:
KLAMarine said:

That's understandable: a historical film for example would have such requirements and aptly so.

Is Ciri's skin color relevant to the story of Witcher?

Let's go back to point 1.

 

1. But that's irrelevant in a casting call.  The choice of the character and what they should or should not look like has already been determined.  It's a casting call.  Not a story development meeting.  That's already happened.

 

To expand further.  The choice of this character now having darker skin has been finalized and the explanation for such is not going to be given at a casting call.  The fans may want an explanation but a casting call is not the venue they will receive it from. It just isn't.  If it bothers you, contact the production company and ask that they provide an explanation for the change.

I'm referring to the story development phase now. Why set skin color down in writing at all if, as far as I know, it's not relevant to the story?..

 

I'm actually tempted now to email the production company regarding this matter...