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Update: Latest rumor shows casting for a white Ciri | Original: Netflix looking for non-white actress to play Ciri in the Witcher tv series

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RolStoppable said:
shikamaru317 said:

Yeah, I noticed most of them were praising this move by Netflix. Not surprising, Era is a giant alt-left circle jerk. I used to think Gaf was bad, Era has proven themselves to be much worse. I hear Gaf has gotten better since they all left. 

What's alt-left?

Identity-left? I dunno, but there has been a surge of different ideas from the left and a new presentation for old ones, just as with the right. Not sure I'd call it alt-left though, they're fairly open about their rather heavy left-ness (yay for words).



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Mummelmann said:
RolStoppable said:

What's alt-left?

Identity-left? I dunno, but there has been a surge of different ideas from the left and a new presentation for old ones, just as with the right. Not sure I'd call it alt-left though, they're fairly open about their rather heavy left-ness (yay for words).

Sounds like 'alt-left' is a sugarcoated way to identify left wing nutjobs. Just like nowadays stupid kids are supposed to be described as 'special' or some other term that doesn't signal that there is a problem, even though there is.



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shikamaru317 said:

In case you were wondering, BAME stands for Black, Asian, or Minority Ethnic in the UK.

Why do SJW's have to ruin everything with this forced diversity nonsense? There is literally no reason for Ciri to be anything other than White, she is the daughter of Emhyr var Emreis, who is shown to be white, and through her mother, Pavetta Fionna Elen, she is a 3rd generation descendant of Skellige blood, Skelligens being based on real life Scandinavians.

Why does there need to be a racially diverse main cast in everything, even in series where it doesn't make sense? Can't they just have a few side characters who are minorities? Why is that not good enough, when there are plenty of other series with diverse main casts?

It's like casting the Black Panther as a white dude.

Black Panther's parents are black, and from a country of black people? Oh, no no! You see his white parents just happened to have immigrated to Wakanda, and then became royalty! 

Ciri is supposed to be Scandinavian? Nope! She's black now! You see there was a 0.00000000000000001% chance of a black family migrating to Europe, being accepted by the locals, and becoming Nobles. But we're going to ask the audience to believe it!



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Faelco said:
deskpro2k3 said:

I tried to be civil but your ignorance is showing.

The first quote that I assumed people are using as a base for this dabate is false because the book never used those words. So I specifically gave direct quotes from two real sources. So you didn't know you can use complexion to discribe the appearence and perspective of things. I hope you learned something from this experience. 


Somebody, get this guy a chair.

 

So you're now trying to say that the quote means "she has a white perspective" or "she has a white appearance but not white skin"? 

 

2 other people taught you the obvious meaning of the word. Don't try to cover your mistake by now going in a dictionary to choose any secondary meaning with no relation to the sentence.

 

And you even dare to be condescending... No no, go ahead, it's so much better than to admit that you made a mistake. Keep digging! 

This is just my perspective, but I always kind of assumed that "complexion" in literature was usually referred to like the physical health or condition of someone's skin? Like for instance, recently I didn't sleep for like 36 hours straight, and I had a white "complexion". I am white, but you can have a white complexion and be black, or at least that's what I thought.

Ironically, the definition is supposedly the natural skin color of someone specifically. From Google : "the natural color, texture, and appearance of a person's skin, especially of the face." But I have seen it used many times to describe a face as pale. 



RolStoppable said:
Mummelmann said:

Identity-left? I dunno, but there has been a surge of different ideas from the left and a new presentation for old ones, just as with the right. Not sure I'd call it alt-left though, they're fairly open about their rather heavy left-ness (yay for words).

Sounds like 'alt-left' is a sugarcoated way to identify left wing nutjobs. Just like nowadays stupid kids are supposed to be described as 'special' or some other term that doesn't signal that there is a problem, even though there is.

Who knows. I live in the land of the "pasty-white, green-haired crazy identity left" and "backslick, pompous, pretend-to not be fascist right", so I have a certain amount of dislike for extreme views, one or the other.

In this instance, I take no issue with the wish for diversity, but the fact that it appears to be diversity simply for its own sake and it completely collides with the setting and canon as the character in question has two very famous and important, and very white, parents.



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Mummelmann said:
RolStoppable said:

Sounds like 'alt-left' is a sugarcoated way to identify left wing nutjobs. Just like nowadays stupid kids are supposed to be described as 'special' or some other term that doesn't signal that there is a problem, even though there is.

Who knows. I live in the land of the "pasty-white, green-haired crazy identity left" and "backslick, pompous, pretend-to not be fascist right", so I have a certain amount of dislike for extreme views, one or the other.

In this instance, I take no issue with the wish for diversity, but the fact that it appears to be diversity simply for its own sake and it completely collides with the setting and canon as the character in question has two very famous and important, and very white, parents.

What is your opinion on the idea that the purpose of this change could be to improve the readability of different factions? If every faction is depicted as Scandinavian looking white individuals, divisions between groups are more likely to get muddled for the viewer.



sundin13 said:
Mummelmann said:

Who knows. I live in the land of the "pasty-white, green-haired crazy identity left" and "backslick, pompous, pretend-to not be fascist right", so I have a certain amount of dislike for extreme views, one or the other.

In this instance, I take no issue with the wish for diversity, but the fact that it appears to be diversity simply for its own sake and it completely collides with the setting and canon as the character in question has two very famous and important, and very white, parents.

What is your opinion on the idea that the purpose of this change could be to improve the readability of different factions? If every faction is depicted as Scandinavian looking white individuals, divisions between groups are more likely to get muddled for the viewer.

The Witcher books (and games) depict Elves and Dwarves as the oppressed and persecuted minorities of their world, and it's a really clear-cut class society with a large peasant class. The architecture and overall style of different nations are also quite varied. But, once again, the main issue with changing this particular characters appearance towards a different look is her lineage in the canon of this universe. Regardless of whether or not it's fictional, it's still a huge issue, and the writers would have to change an entire faction/empire and their looks and possibly culture to fit this narrative. It's just not manageable without losing the sense and weave of the entire world depicted. Look at Game of Thrones, all the major houses (and minor ones as well) in Westeros are mostly white folk with fairly similar build, but telling factions and cultures apart is very easy most of the time. It was simply never an issue.

The fact that writers feel that the only way to represent or diversify is to have minorities artificially supplant characters originally of a different ethnicity, says a lot about their skill and willingness to construct a diverse cast that makes sense in the context from the beginning.

PS: I actually refused/refuse to see Gods of Egypt due to the ridiculous casting decisions.



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deskpro2k3 said:
Faelco said:

Other people quoted the books though, and it clearly said that she's white... 

I assume people are quoting this?

From Sword of Destiny page 416. “She had fair hair, ashen white complexion and large impetuous green eyes”

Let me break it down for those people to understand:

"fair hair - ashen white complexion" and "Impetuous green eyes". So where does it say anything about being white?

in other versions (Gollancz, with the cover illustration made by Alejandro Colucci) this quote is 'She had fair, mousy hair and huge glaringly green eyes.' English audiobook has the same exact quote 'She had fair hair, mouse-gray, and large impetuous eyes'.

I'm on the side that this is a non issue, but I fail to understand your argument, and I think people responding to you misunderstand it, too. I have to say, any misunderstanding on other's is your fault here.

Later you say that the "complexion" quote is not real, but here you open up with the quote and even give it a page it's sourced from. So is it real or not? Because if it is from the book (page 416 of Sword of Destiny) and the word "complexion" is used, than that is saying the chick is white. Again, to me that doesn't mean using a nonwhite actress would ruin the entire show, but that doesn't make your argument any less puzzling.



Mummelmann said:

But, once again, the main issue with changing this particular characters appearance towards a different look is her lineage in the canon of this universe. Regardless of whether or not it's fictional, it's still a huge issue, and the writers would have to change an entire faction/empire and their looks and possibly culture to fit this narrative. It's just not manageable without losing the sense and weave of the entire world depicted.

It simply amazes me how much people who are in "why not?" camp don't understand this very part - Ciri is not just some random girl, her lineage is of great importance to the whole lore and world of Witcher.



Spike0503 said:
Alara317 said:

You are so wrong. A character should be played by whoever is best for the role. If their race is not relevant to the plot or they're not portraying a real person, then there's no reason James Bond can't be black, Ciri can't be an ethnic minority, or Heimdall can't be played by Idriss Elba.  Changing Ciri's ethnicity doesn't change the story AT ALL, nor does it compromise the plot or bastardize the character. Literally all it does is give a spotlight to a minority that might not have gotten it otherwise. 

That, and offend racists who hate the idea of being a slightly smaller majority than they already are. 

Absolutely wrong. The character should remain as they were written. I'm a Bond fan so I've had this discussion several times already. And of course it changes the story!. Are you freaking kidding me?. Do you know anything about the original books?. There is a region in the Witcher world that is a proxy for Africa and some characters of darker skin come from there. If you change the ethnicity of Ciri then you must change the ethnicity of her entire family and the story with it. Why is this necessary?. 

"Literally all it does is give a spotlight to a minority that might not have gotten it otherwise. "

Why the fuck does this story have to give a spotlight to a minority?. Is there some kind of "sacred law" in the US/UK that all book/game/comic adaptations are required by law to give minorities a spotlight?. Even if the circumstances in the original story do not allow for such a spotlight, nor is it needed?. If the main cast of a book is white, then they should be kept like that in the adaptation. I would say the same thing about any comic, book, video game or whatever other medium and if the circumstances were reversed and Ciri was black in the book, I would be just as pissed about this.

Let me ask you something, just so we are clear, if someone tomorrow decided to adapt a fantasy book series with an important character who happens to be black, and decided to portray that character with a white actor/actress, would that be okay?. Would it be okay with you?. Would the mainstream media respect that decision?. After all, "it's just a fantasy character" who cares who portrays the role as long as they have the acting skills right?. 

"That, and offend racists who hate the idea of being a slightly smaller majority than they already are. "

You keep spouting the same old BS. Those who disagree with you aren't racists, they just care about the story in a different way than you do. Learn to accept that.

Have a snickers, dude.