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So for Asian char on Death Note they go and make white, for white char on Witcher they want non-white... So basically they just want to swap everything and risk outrage just to then say it doesn't matter the race of the actor?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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I was going to subscribe to Netflix to watch this series, but if they pull this crap, I'm gonna drop it like the piece of shit that it is. It's a matter of principle. You don't fuck with original and established characters, period. In this case there's also the added bonus that it wouldn't make any sense in the universe. It's just stupid and unnecessary.
I'm not too happy with Henry Cavill, either. I just don't see Geralt in him. He's not rugged, he's a poster boy. Well, maybe I'm wrong and he pulls a fine Geralt out of the bag. Maybe I need to see the new Mission Impossible, I hear he kicks ass in that.



A good point raised and I'm still waiting to see is people demanding white/black/asian actors on Bolywood. White and black on japanese shows, etc.
I love all black comedies even if they don't seem to represent demographics (although I believe there are some neighborhoods that are almost all black in USA, and also some families that all members and friends are black) also don't remember people complaining about the lack of white people or the social criticism they make on the show. So these accusations that whoever doesn't like the tokenism and forced changes to be more diverse is racist is outrageous.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

shikamaru317 said:

Alara317 said:
I'm utterly appalled at how fragile the egos of the white race is overall. Making blanket statements like this about an entire race shows your own prejudice.

Having Ciri played by a minority of some sort - be it black, Asian, middle-eastern, African, Polynesian, whatever - literally takes nothing away from the show. It doesn't change the story, it doesn't bastardize the character, it doesn't upset the original creator, and it doesn't make the show political. All it does is give a different ethnicity some exposure. In an industry that is overwhelmingly controlled and influenced by over-represented caucasians, it does NOT hurt the production to say "maybe we'll give this role to a different ethnicity." If you think it does, you have a fragile ego that can't stand the idea that your kind might be slightly less represented than it has been in the past. Except it does change things. If they make Ciri anything other than white, they also have to change the race of one of her two parents. And because she is royalty she is representative of a whole nation, so they'd have to change the skin color for either all Cintrans or all Nilfgaardians. Suddenly it feels alot less like a minor change.

You can hide behind all the faulty rhetoric about how 'a white character needs to always be white' and that 'she should be portrayed as close to original as possible', but that completely misses the point of an adaptation. There will be changes, there will be alterations to what came first, and the world changes in ways that might not be to your liking, it doesn't mean that anyone is attacking you or that the minorities are rising up to crush you. You don't seem to realize that when she was first announced to be the showrunner, Lauren Hissrich assured fans that she would stay true to the novels. If she makes a change as big as this, it means she lied.

If the studio wants to seek out a non-white actor for the sake of getting some diversity in their show and it doesn't have a directly negative impact (like making MLK white in an adaptation or something ludicrous like that), then quit your whining. And even if the studio DOES want to make her black to make a statement, that's their prerogative; THAT IS THE NATURE OF ADAPTATION. There are much better ways to go about bringing some diversity to the cast than fundamentally changing an established character like Ciri. They would be much better off to create an original character who is darker skinned, a Zerrikanian character, maybe a mercenary who is hunting Ciri. 

The reality is that choosing to cast a non-white actress in the role of a traditionally white fictional character whose skin colour is irrelevant does only good to everything but the fragile egos of borderline racist white folks who are offended at the idea that they might be losing a very small modicum of their representation in the medium. There is no harm in giving a minority of some sort some extra exposure, and if you think there is then you are horribly misguided. Except her skin color isn't irrelevant. Her race is fundamental to who she is, just like your race is fundamental to who you are. Her skin color is clearly stated in the books. You also seem to be forgetting the fact that most fans have expectations for these characters to look like how they looked in the games, that is why the Henry Cavill casting was controversial, many thought he was too much of a pretty boy to play a rugged character like Geralt. Changing Ciri's skin color is an even bigger deal, as people expect her to look like she does in the games, and a skin color change is a radical departure. 

I return to this argument repeatedly but it really should be the final word on the matter: If the character's skin colour isn't an integral part of the story or the character's identity, then there's literally no harm in casting someone of colour in the role. And, given the nature of adaptation, if the showrunner wants to tell a different story, then that's just how it is. The fact that people could get SO upset about this is mindboggling to me. Seriously, get some perspective on life. Once again you're neglecting the fact that she claimed she would stay true to the books. 

Quit doing mental gymnastics in an attempt to justify your prejudice. It's revealing.  I'll just say that this post revealed more about you than any other post in this thread revealed about those posters. 

Responses in bold. 

I would say if they reversed the race totally and the majority of the cast was black or asian, and the minor chars were white then it wouldn't seem as odd. Because at least it would match the "homogeneous" tone of the original even if with all races swapped.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Why does it have to be black. There seems to be an assumption that they are looking for a dark skinned person but the BAME reference just means non white. An asian woman would fit just as well and you can pretty much keep your complexion close enough.

At the end of the day, I wonder exactly how many people who are against this change are any other color but white.  I would take a stab and say that its probably over 95%.  The reason issue is that its not the skin color, change in book canon or anything like that it's really about relating to the character.  Its why the majority of video game Hero characters are white males and if you throw in a woman it would be white female.  Studies have found that this is what White people expect and other colors tolerate so sales can stay high.  It's not really racist its just stereotypical and conditional at this point.  This is why when we see any change to this formula, a lot of push back comes out as the cute term SJW.

Last edited by Machiavellian - on 10 September 2018

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thismeintiel said:
melbye said:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/nov/13/gods-of-egypt-posters-anger-whitewashed-cast-twitter-exodus

So let's not pretend there wasn't backlash against Gods of Egypt

Reading that made me feel like I dropped a few IQ points.  It's both sad and hilarious how they think just because Egypt is in Africa that means the whole cast should be black.  Of course, the truth is the ancient Egyptians would more resemble those from the Middle East.  And then they do cast a black man and they are pissed because it's the "magical negro stereotype."  Whatever the fuck that is.  Sounds more like they made it up, looking for more ways to get outraged.  So, for SJWs, all movies set in Africa, regardless of the true race of those that lived there, must have an all black cast.  Oh, but don't cast a black person as someone who does magic, cause that's racist, too.

And one actually said that Egypt was never ruled by whites.  Well, it was under Roman rule for few hundred years, so...

Well, some people really gone up in arms with a game with majority of the cast being black, Resident Evil 5.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

shikamaru317 said:
Machiavellian said:

Why does it have to be black. There seems to be an assumption that they are looking for a dark skinned person but the BAME reference just means non white. An asian woman would fit just as well and you can pretty much keep your complexion close enough.

At the end of the day, I wonder exactly how many people who are against this change are any other color but white.  I would take a stab and say that its probably over 95%.  The reason issue is that its not the skin color, change in book canon or anything like that it's really about relating to the character.  Its why the majority of video game Hero characters are white males and if you throw in a woman it would be white female.  Studies have found that this is what White people expect and other colors tolerate so sales can stay high.  It's not really racist its just stereotypical and conditional at this point.  This is why when we see any change to this formula, a lot of push back comes out as the cute term SJW.

I'm guessing they're looking for an Arabic actress personally, but could be Asian. I highly doubt they are looking for a black actress. 

When are they finally going to give the proper representation that Indigenous Australians and Japanese Ainus deserve?

It would clearly be racist to not give the role of Ciri to one of them. 

(I'm sure we'll see something like that one day though, with a lot of media coverage about how woke it is...) 



I don't think it's going to happen, but honestly i do not have any hopes for the show.

The production team didn't mention anything about the game when casting the role of Geralt which is just silly. Instead we got the usual rhetoric about how Henry connected with the character, and nothing about his experience with the game/passion for the series.



Dante9 said:
FentonCrackshell said:

I see, she just isn’t the right kind of black. The acceptable kind. OK...

As I understand it, Starfire actually has ORANGE skin, not black or white. She's an alien from another world. How's that for representation?

I agree. So why backlash from a black actress playing a 7’ tall, orange alien? 



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I know almost nothing of The Witcher but it seems weird that they specify a large range of ethnicities but exclude others, they can't have a set vision for the character's ethnicity if they are open to multiple ones. Why not just let everyone apply and choose whoever is best for the role?