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Faelco said:

stuff

 
 

 

Do you like not know how semantics work? Here is a quick lesson.

Beneath the varying complexion of your thought process there is some intelligible parts but more incoherent and defective ramblings..

Now look I didn't change anything, so I have no idea of what you're talking about. What I gave you in my original post is a false quote that I assumed (keyword) people are using, paired with the actual quotes from the books so people can see the difference. I also give you an example on how to use the word complexion in different ways to describe not only appearances, but the character of something..

Just grab a chair.. no more circular logic, just stop.

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deskpro2k3 said:

Faelco said:

stuff

 

Do you like not know how semantics work? Here is a quick lesson.

Beneath the varying complexion of your thought process there is some intelligible parts but more incoherent and defective ramblings..

Now look I didn't change anything, so I have no idea of what you're talking about. What I gave you in my original post is a false quote that I assumed (keyword) people are using, paired with the actual quotes from the books so people can see the difference. I also give you an example on how to use the word complexion in different ways to describe not only appearances, but the character of something..

Just grab a chair.. no more circular logic, just stop.

So, once again, "Ciri has an ashen white character". 

 

Of course, she has "fair hair, white character, and green eyes", fits great in the middle of the physical description. More and more ridiculous. And the fact that the word's main meaning is "color of this skin" isn't obvious enough for you? You even had to ask to others "where do you see that she's white?" (which you obviously wouldn't ask if you really knew the meanings of complexion). Other people too told you that your post was wrong.

No circular logic here, just read your post again, accept that you were wrong or at least phrased it wrong, stop being so condescending about it, and move on.

Until you do that, don't worry, I'll stop answering to you. It's clearly not worth it. 



Considering that Cavill is pretty much the whitest actor that ever lived I can understand their urge to try to balance it out somehow.



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Faelco said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

Do you like not know how semantics work? Here is a quick lesson.

Beneath the varying complexion of your thought process there is some intelligible parts but more incoherent and defective ramblings..

Now look I didn't change anything, so I have no idea of what you're talking about. What I gave you in my original post is a false quote that I assumed (keyword) people are using, paired with the actual quotes from the books so people can see the difference. I also give you an example on how to use the word complexion in different ways to describe not only appearances, but the character of something..

Just grab a chair.. no more circular logic, just stop.

So, once again, "Ciri has an ashen white character". 

 

Of course, she has "fair hair, white character, and green eyes", fits great in the middle of the physical description. More and more ridiculous. And the fact that the word's main meaning is "color of this skin" isn't obvious enough for you? You even had to ask to others "where do you see that she's white?" (which you obviously wouldn't ask if you really knew the meanings of complexion). Other people too told you that your post was wrong.

No circular logic here, just read your post again, accept that you were wrong or at least phrased it wrong, stop being so condescending about it, and move on.

Until you do that, don't worry, I'll stop answering to you. It's clearly not worth it. 

the book never said "fair hair, white character, and green eyes" or even the word "complexion"

You're trying to make a case about something that is not even in the book.. You missed the point about "complexion" despite many examples, but hey if you're fine with making an ass out of yourself then keep on at it. You ain't hurting me, you can say I'm wrong all you want, go ahead have the last words.

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xxbrothawizxx63 said:
 

Maybe I've just become desensitized to the issue because I'm a minority and this isn't anything new, but I just can't give this any weight when it's a fictional character without any real cultural significance.  1) Somehow I kinda doubt the answer to question 2 even if it may be the case for you. 

Whitewashing won't end because entertainment is made for its audience. The biggest consumer base is western Caucasians. Diversity is fashionable and minority groups continue to grow in influence in these nations. It's not surprising that this is occurring. As China has grown in influence, Asian stars have become more commonplace and are actively sought out to portray roles to be marketable in those territories. Directors have artistic license with a movie because it is an adaptation. 

There are cases when this might be inappropriate, 2) but this just isn't worth being bothered by. 

1) You doubt whatever you wish. I can only speak for myself but I would be pissed off at this no matter the race. If the circumstances were reversed and Ciri was black in the books I would be just as pissed off at this and debate it just the same with people here. Then again, if the circumstances were reversed, nowadays I don't think they would ever even conceive of doing this, would they?. The casting director/producer (whoever made this decision) would be crucified in the mainstream media and they would walk away from their decision immediately. 

But since the original character is white, it's "cool". Who cares if the original story is being bastardized right?. Double standard BS like this should be called out and pointed for what it is. Forced "Diversity" hypocrisy.  I'm all for a diverse group of people making new media with new characters with a multitude of backgrounds. I'm not against, say, a Predator movie with a black main cast or a Star Wars movie with an all-female main cast. I'm cool with that. But what's important to me is that the characters are new. Poe Dameron and Finn?, cool. A black Han Solo when/if they remake the first movie?, BS. That's the way I think. It's the same thing for any movie remake, book/comic/game adaptation or any other form of adaptation. Respect the source or don't bother.

2) To you maybe, not for me. This pisses me off. I don't agree with your "If it's not a real person being adapted, who cares"-stance. If I care about the original character, I want to see him/her be adapted in a respectful way.



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xxbrothawizxx63 said:
Spike0503 said:

 

Maybe I've just become desensitized to the issue because I'm a minority and this isn't anything new, but I just can't give this any weight when it's a fictional character without any real cultural significance. 

How familiar are you with the lore and setting? It has a huge significance in this case, the character's lineage and parents are kind of a big deal. Her father is the emperor of the empire of Nilfgaard and her mother a descendant of elves (Lara Dorren to be specific), they are both quite pale. With Nilfgaardian views on colonies and annexed nations and Pavetta (Ciri's mother) ancestry, it would be quite a big deal to drastically change the ethnicity of either. And, subsequently, it would have a huge impact on the cultural aspect of the setting and the character. The only solution seems to be changing Ciri's heritage and changing parents, which would effectively nullify the character's significance and point in this universe. This has been repeated several times in this very thread, how are people constantly missing this glaringly obvious issue?

Yes, the setting is fictional and the characters as well, that doesn't mean that you can simply change whatever you want and not have a huge impact on the production and the whole purpose of the story. All that said; I'm not very happy about the casting of Cavill either, I'd much prefer a more rugged figure with more presence and less Backstreet Boys vibes, how about a Slavic actor for once? Not all white is "white", just as not all dark is "dark" or all Asian is "Asian". 



FentonCrackshell said:
I’m black and think this is a bad idea. Just doesn’t fit. But what if it’s not even that? The OP is telling us this but we don’t even know for sure. But these angry folks need to be honest with themselves are just say that any minority characters piss them off. Stop pretending like it’s just changing of whites to non-whites that anger you. One even says “go woke, go broke”, meaning if you try to make a diverse cast they can’t watch. I wonder if this means they walk around society with their eyes closed in order to not see how diverse the real world is?

Deleted, the discussion has moved on so my comment was irrelevant.

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Mummelmann said:

All that said; I'm not very happy about the casting of Cavill either, I'd much prefer a more rugged figure with more presence and less Backstreet Boys vibes, how about a Slavic actor for once?

Yeah, Cavill is terrible choice.

They should've tried to get Mads



FentonCrackshell said:
thismeintiel said:

Nice that a casting call that is done just for the sake of virtue signalling other SJWs actually shows who the real racists are.  These people only see color.  Not different ethnic/cultural backgrounds.  So all whites are just white to them, which mean they are to be excluded.  All blacks are just that, black.  And so on and so forth for other POC.  The fact that they actually have an acronym for a call for anyone who's not white, says it all.  They don't care about the character or the acting ability, they are just looking for any token actor to push forward and show how "progressive" they are.

Personally, I've always wanted someone to say that they were making a Jeffersons movie, but as a joke/experiment release a trailer with an all white cast.  Watch the hypocrites have a true meltdown.

The thing with your example is that they are not on the same level.  For one, you aren't going to find many people who are that passionate about Aquaman, or DCEU for that matter.  Second, Jason Mamoa does look like Aquaman's redesign where he had one hand, albeit with two hands and Samoan.   And third, there didn't really seem like an agenda behind the casting choice.  I bet it was as simple as them seeing him with long hair and a beard in another film and thought he looked like the newer Aquaman. I could be wrong about the last point, but I don't really remember them pushing it like it was a big deal for "progress."

Starfire, on the other hand, has a passionate following recently thanks to the Teen Titans cartoons.  She looks nothing like her comic book counterpart, which has added insult in the fact that she actually looks like a low dollar prostitute.  Finally, her being black wouldn't really have gotten too much hate if she had lighter skin and was painted/costumed to look like the comics.  The reason it go so much hate was not only does she look nothing like her, but because it just screams forced diversity and, most importantly, the overall project looks like hot garbage.

I see, she just isn’t the right kind of black. The acceptable kind. OK...

As I understand it, Starfire actually has ORANGE skin, not black or white. She's an alien from another world. How's that for representation?



Alara317 said:
This 'controversy' might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen people get upset about. This or the whole puddle thing in the new Spider-Man game.

No idea why I fool myself into thinking I can inject a bit of decency and reason into a discussion like this. All I see is a bunch of easily offended people somehow hurt by the idea that a character who's race is not important being cast as not-white despite being portrayed as white in the past.

Reminds me way too much of people who counter 'black lives matter' with 'all lives matter', thus completely missing the point while trying to turn the argument into being all about them once again or somehow devaluing the hardships that some groups experience.

Literally nothing of value is harmed by making this character non-white in an adaptation. There's literally no argument that makes your whining justified no matter how much you've internalized the character as white. Stop whining about change, stop whining about 'the SJW agenda', and get some perspective. This is NOT the sort of social issue that needs attention. If you don't LIKE the idea of a traditionally white person being played by a non white person, that's fine, but don't try to pretend that your outrage is justified.

There is honestly too much wrong with the arguments in this thread for me to keep up. There are so many poor examples of logic, faulty arguments, and irrelevant views that I'd need 4 days, 7 gallons of coffee, and fingers of steel to explain in graphic detail how so many of you are just wrong when I only need to repeat the same point:

The character's skin color is not important. She's a fantasy character and not based on any real person. Therefore, in the spirit of adaptation, there's literally no reason to be upset about her being portrayed as non white no matter how much it offends your fragile sensibilities. No amount of 'but that's how she was in the game' or 'she was described that way in the books' will change the fact that you're whining about an aesthetic change that will not do anything to make it untrue to the book.

Take Hermoine. Hermoine Granger from Harry Potter was traditionally portrayed as white. She was drawn as white on the book covers and was played by a white girl/woman in the movies. However, when a black girl was cast in her role for a stage play (An adaptation), folks like you had a shit fit even when JK Rowling publically announced that Hermoine's skin color was not specified in the books and wasn't relevant to her character. This is the exact same sort of thing. You're just a bunch of immature brats having a fit about a perceived slight that almost certainly will not affect the quality of the end product.

Heimdall. that is all.

Oh, for fuck's sake. The importance of Ciris's heritage in that universe has been explained here a dozen times already, but you just refuse to understand. Or maybe you just don't understand genetics or something?

JK Rowling is an SJW, so she will flip her own characters any which way to satisfy whatever the flavor (color?) of the month happens to be. By the way, is there really no description of Hermione's appearance in the books? No mention of her ginger hair or something? That would be weird, because usually the author wants to give the reader some notion of what the characters look like. However, we are talking about a modern British girl, so there's no reason why she couldn't be black, so it's not the same situation as with Ciri and her specific bloodline.

Heimdall. Yes. The Norwegians came up with their ancient gods at a time when none of them had ever seen black people. They simply created a pantheon of gods for themselves, with their knowledge of the world, as all humans tend to do. So a black Heimdall makes zero sense whatsoever, it's just pandering that is happening over a thousand years after the fact in another culture that's plagued by these silly politics.