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OlfinBedwere on 07 September 2018
thismeintiel said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Whatever belief helps you sleep at night buddy.

Oh, I sleep fine in this thing we like to call reality.  Not sure why you need to live in this contextless world where TLJ 100% met Disney's expectations, even though by every measure it did not, and the SW franchise is fine, even though it just had its first flop in its 40+ years of being, to sleep well.  But, hey, different strokes.

How exactly do you know what Disney's expectations for the film were?



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Mandalore76 on 07 September 2018
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Faelco said:
I love how people always say "Wow, big numbers, it's a big success, you can't say it underperformed!", while completely forgetting to compare the numbers to the previous movies. If the previous movie really sold 6M, then 3M is an underwhelming performance. And I don't understand the "it's already a hit", since BR and DVD sales are a lot stronger closer to the release.

It's like saying "Wow, GTA6 sold 20 millions, it's better than any other recent games, you can't say that it underperformed!", while ignoring that the previous game made 3 or 4 times that (hypothetical scenario, of course).

 

Lawlight said:

Oh, that looks like a sharp drop of home video sales from TFA. And BP will outsell TLJ within the month.

I'm not saying it's even the main factor in the difference of sales, but The Last Jedi is on Netflix, has been for a long time, and The Force Awakens isn't. 

But, The Force Awakens was on Neflix at the same point in it's life as The Last Jedi is now.  All the Disney Star Wars films have been on Netflix at some point.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 07 September 2018
Mandalore76 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

 

I'm not saying it's even the main factor in the difference of sales, but The Last Jedi is on Netflix, has been for a long time, and The Force Awakens isn't. 

But, The Force Awakens was on Neflix at the same point in it's life as The Last Jedi is now.  All the Disney Star Wars films have been on Netflix at some point.

Not in the U.S.A. Which is what this article is concerned with. 



OlfinBedwere on 07 September 2018
Shadow1980 said:

OlfinBedwere said:

How exactly do you know what Disney's expectations for the film were?

That's the thing. Nobody knows. Disney never told anyone how much they expected TLJ to gross (if they did, Google doesn't know about it; I've looked). People who hate the film simply assume that TLJ, a massive financial success at the box office by any objective measure (#10 overall domestically for the 21st century), was a "disappointment" because it didn't gross as much as TFA did (an unrealistic goal, seeing as TFA was by far the highest-grossing film of the past 20 years). And now they look at TLJ's respectable Blu-ray sales (esp. when you take into account the decline in overall physical media spending on home video) and once again go "Well, it was a big drop versus TFA" as if failing to become at least the #5 best-selling Blu-ray ever is evidence of "disappointing sales." Some people just make up whatever arbitrary goalposts they want with no real supporting evidence, and engage in a bunch of special pleading when confronted with with anything that works against their arguments. The first entry in every main SW trilogy besting the second & third ones by a massive margin? "Well, that's different because reasons." Streaming continuing to eat into physical home video sales? "Well, that's different because reasons."

I'd think a reasonable expectation for The Last Jedi would have been about two-thirds of what The Force Awakens earned at the box-office, seeing how that's what The Empire Strikes Back earned compared to A New Hope, and Attack of the Clones earned compared to The Phantom Menace. And guess what? That's exactly how much money The Last Jedi made!

Heck, even Solo was only as much of a disaster as it was because they basically shot the movie twice. If they'd just released the Lord & Miller cut (assuming it would have earned the same as Howard's version) then it'd have been underwhelming for a Star Wars film, but still mildly profitable.



The_Liquid_Laser on 07 September 2018

Star Wars: Episode IV grossed $461 million (unadjusted) domestic
The Empire Strikes back grossed $290 million (unadjusted) domestic

 

That is a massive 37% drop!  The Empire Strikes back was such a disappointing movie!  Fans are outraged at this total pile of shit!  I thought I was watching a cool outer space battle and they totally threw in some family soap opera shit in there!  Just watch, The Empire Strikes back will go down in history as the worst Star Wars ever!  Mark my words!















(btw, I hope you can all tell this was a tongue-in-cheek post.)



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thismeintiel on 07 September 2018
OlfinBedwere said:
thismeintiel said:

Oh, I sleep fine in this thing we like to call reality.  Not sure why you need to live in this contextless world where TLJ 100% met Disney's expectations, even though by every measure it did not, and the SW franchise is fine, even though it just had its first flop in its 40+ years of being, to sleep well.  But, hey, different strokes.

How exactly do you know what Disney's expectations for the film were?

Simple.  Common sense.  When industry insiders are claiming that the safe bet for the film is to do ~$1.66B-$1.8B+ WW, you bet your ass that that is exactly what Disney was expecting.  And even after the dismal 68% drop for the 2nd weekend happened, the story was that was just caused by the holiday weekend and the film would still hit $1.6B WW.  It ended up doing $1.33B.  Merch sales took a steep hit.  It underperformed, there is no way to explain it away.

The_Liquid_Laser said:

Star Wars: Episode IV grossed $461 million (unadjusted) domestic
The Empire Strikes back grossed $290 million (unadjusted) domestic

 

That is a massive 37% drop!  The Empire Strikes back was such a disappointing movie!  Fans are outraged at this total pile of shit!  I thought I was watching a cool outer space battle and they totally threw in some family soap opera shit in there!  Just watch, The Empire Strikes back will go down in history as the worst Star Wars ever!  Mark my words!















(btw, I hope you can all tell this was a tongue-in-cheek post.)

Oh man, you got us.  Oh, wait, no you didn't.  When ESB came out the industry was going through a major shift.  ANH was from the cinema world of old.  Where films started slow (ANH only made $8.5M, adjusted, its opening weekend, which would be a flop today), but stayed in theaters for a long ass time (ANH was in theaters for 1 1/2 years its initial run), and then see umpteen rereleases.  In the late 70s/early 80s, this model was dying out and changing to what we have, now.  A model where movies open much larger and only stay in theaters for a few months, making way for further blockbusters.  ESB was released right in the middle of this, so while it benefited from a larger opening than ANH, though still not great by today's standards ($25M, adjusted), it didn't receive an extra 6+ months to pad out its final take.  By the time ROTJ released, the industry was pretty much done with the shift, seeing that it opened with $99.1M (adjusted), a number any lower/mid budgeted blockbuster would still be grateful to hit.

Of course, even with the industry shift, and the fact that the foreign market was much smaller, ESB still made $1.5B+ WW, adjusted.  With no industry shift, and a massively expanded market, what's TLJ's excuse?

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Mandalore76 on 07 September 2018
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Mandalore76 said:

But, The Force Awakens was on Neflix at the same point in it's life as The Last Jedi is now.  All the Disney Star Wars films have been on Netflix at some point.

Not in the U.S.A. Which is what this article is concerned with. 

I have Netflix and live in the US, and I thought for sure it was on there at some point along with Rogue One.  But now that I am looking up articles to back me up, I see that my mind must have been playing Jedi mind tricks on me...



S.Peelman on 07 September 2018
thismeintiel said:

Oh man, you got us.  Oh, wait, no you didn't.  When ESB came out the industry was going through a major shift.  ANH was from the cinema world of old.  Where films started slow (ANH only made $8.5M, adjusted, its opening weekend, which would be a flop today), but stayed in theaters for a long ass time (ANH was in theaters for 1 1/2 years its initial run), and then see umpteen rereleases.  In the late 70s/early 80s, this model was dying out and changing to what we have, now.  A model where movies open much larger and only stay in theaters for a few months, making way for further blockbusters.  ESB was released right in the middle of this, so while it benefited from a larger opening than ANH, though still not great by today's standards ($25M, adjusted), it didn't receive an extra 6+ months to pad out its final take.  By the time ROTJ released, the industry was pretty much done with the shift, seeing that it opened with $99.1M (adjusted), a number any lower/mid budgeted blockbuster would still be grateful to hit.

Of course, even with the industry shift, and the fact that the foreign market was much smaller, ESB still made $1.5B+ WW, adjusted.  With no industry shift, and a massively expanded market, what's TLJ's excuse?

This has probably been asked in one of the ten other threads about this already, and I'm probably going to regret this, but what's Attack of the Clones' excuse then?



thismeintiel on 07 September 2018
S.Peelman said:
thismeintiel said:

Oh man, you got us.  Oh, wait, no you didn't.  When ESB came out the industry was going through a major shift.  ANH was from the cinema world of old.  Where films started slow (ANH only made $8.5M, adjusted, its opening weekend, which would be a flop today), but stayed in theaters for a long ass time (ANH was in theaters for 1 1/2 years its initial run), and then see umpteen rereleases.  In the late 70s/early 80s, this model was dying out and changing to what we have, now.  A model where movies open much larger and only stay in theaters for a few months, making way for further blockbusters.  ESB was released right in the middle of this, so while it benefited from a larger opening than ANH, though still not great by today's standards ($25M, adjusted), it didn't receive an extra 6+ months to pad out its final take.  By the time ROTJ released, the industry was pretty much done with the shift, seeing that it opened with $99.1M (adjusted), a number any lower/mid budgeted blockbuster would still be grateful to hit.

Of course, even with the industry shift, and the fact that the foreign market was much smaller, ESB still made $1.5B+ WW, adjusted.  With no industry shift, and a massively expanded market, what's TLJ's excuse?

This has probably been asked in one of the ten other threads about this already, and I'm probably going to regret this, but what's Attack of the Clones' excuse then?

It dropped so much for the same exact reason TLJ did.  Of the prequels, it was the one most poorly received by many fans.



 

TheLegendaryWolf on 07 September 2018

I you add DVD numbers, it more narrowly beats Black Panther's 3,812,908 to TLJ's 3,869,705 with Coco not too far off with 3,414,032 combined units. DVDs still sells relatively well despite Blu Ray being around for over a decade at this point, impressive in it's own right (physical media has declined massively, but still kicking all things considered).