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TheBraveGallade said:

I mean, if you have both, there is literally ZERO reason to have Indies on PS4/Xbone over switch, while switch has one huge advantage.

I would argue that the PS4/x1 still have better offerings in terms of game streaming to twitch/YouTube and for gamers interested in an achievement system.



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Rab said:
Xxain said:
Where do you guys think PS4 gamers are looking right now?

Probably Netflix ;)

That is true, it does have a pretty good Netflix app. How is the one on the Switch?



Ganoncrotch said:
Train wreck said:
These comparisons don't really make sense in today's landscape. EA doesn't come out and say 'Fifa 2018 sold 15x more on PS4 than switch', it's irrelevant due to the circumstances as to why a Fifa game would sell on the Switch than on PS4. The same goes for Dead Cells, a 2018 indie game is going to have different exposure between the systems and since a large majority of PS4 owners already own a Switch (70% according to NPD for the US), double dipping wouldn't make sense.

Do you not find it interesting that say... If every single person who owned a ps4 also owned a switch (which obviously isn't the case as there are far more PS4 systems sold) but even in a land where everyone owned both systems, isn't it an interesting statistic that gamers would rather put down the ds4 and extra horsepower in the PS4 and instead buy the title on switch instead.

 

Just at people pushing a narrative that there's no reason to choose a game on switch over the same title on PS4 this should be pretty telling that that isn't the case in the real world.

 

Also the "Nintendo switch gamers just buy any title cos of a drought" 2 things about this. 1, the switch currently has close to 1100 games on it, machine is out for around 600 days, math will tell you about the drought I hope. And 2, if a majority of the switch users had a PS4 as well.... They could just put down the switch and buy a title like spider Man this month, that is of course, if 80% of them have not put down the ds4 to enjoy the amazing dead cells on the switch.

I strongly disagree with using total number of games for a console as an evidence that the console isn't lacking games.

I'm not saying that you're wrong about NSW in this specific thread and discussion, but total number of games doesn't mean anything. A console can have 1000 games that are just rubbish.



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wombat123 said:

There's probably more non-Nintendo fans and Nintendo-hating people replying to this thread than actual Nintendo fans.

Because this information hurts the world-view of PS-fans and Nintendo-haters. The posters here might be in one camp, not necessarily in both. The PS-world view contains: PS is the best place for games and therefore games sell the best on PS. The Nintendo-haters world-view contains: only Nintendo-fans buy Nintendo-consoles and Nintendo-fans only buy Nintendo-games or ones with Mario in it. So this news contradicts both world-views and therefore they keep commenting.



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Train wreck said:
These comparisons don't really make sense in today's landscape. EA doesn't come out and say 'Fifa 2018 sold 15x more on PS4 than switch', it's irrelevant due to the circumstances as to why a Fifa game would sell on the Switch than on PS4. The same goes for Dead Cells, a 2018 indie game is going to have different exposure between the systems and since a large majority of PS4 owners already own a Switch (70% according to NPD for the US), double dipping wouldn't make sense.

First of all, FIFA sold around ten times as much on PS4 than on Switch. Still a big number. FIFA is among the games strongest on PS4, it has an unusually high ratio also compared with the XBox version. Secondly you have it backwards. Not 70% of PS4 owners have a Switch, 70% of Switch owners have a PS4 OR XBox (which is relevant in the US). Which is something different. The ratio can only then be similar, if both sold around the same, but as PS4 is around longer it has much more sold units. With time and ongoing sales the ratio of Switch owners owning one of the other consoles will drop and the ratio of owners of one of the other consoles that also have a Switch will rise.



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adisababa said:
wombat123 said:

If I had to guess, it's because it comes off as an attempt at damage controlling the news on this thread by boosting up the PS4 (pointing out their games coming out) while shitting on the Switch (saying the Switch has no games this year), which is the type of thing that instigates petty console war arguments.  It seems that when fans of other platforms see news like this, they get shaken up based on how they typically pile on these threads and try to play things down.

What Sony fans have to understand is that when a lot of Nintendo fans see this thread, even though the devs were comparing sales to the PS4 version, we're (at least I am) looking at it through the perspective that a non-casual 3rd party game is doing well on the Switch.  Why that matters is that for decades, Nintendo fans have always been told that 3rd parties don't sell well on the Switch and that the only games that sell well are exclusives, casual games, shovelware and baby games.  So when a 3rd party multiplat that appeals to core gamers sells well, regardless of whether they're indies or AAA titles, it gives a sense of positivity that things are going in the right direction for the Switch.

Damage controlling? There's no reason to buy Dead Cells on PS4 when there are high profile games coming out in the same window. I was merely saying what I think is the reason for this 4 to 1 ratio of sales. The Switch has had a games drought this year and this is why they are hungry for any game that releases for the Switch, there are not many other choices. Like it'd be a totally different story if say Mario Tennis or Smash released within a few weeks of Dead Cells, I highly doubt the game's sales would have been as high it is. 

Plus Dead Cells or indies, in general, are basically asking for funerals when released on console. There are very few indie games that escape this plight. Also, I have an Xbox and a Switch. You could call me an Xbox fan. MK8 is all I played and will probably ever play on the Switch. 

You got it wrong. As another thread states, most Switch owners already have another console. So taking your argument they would skip Dead Cells altogether and go for said high profile games on their PS4 or XBox One. But they don't do it, because you peg the users wrong. Actually these are people that WANT to play Dead Cells (and want it more than maybe God of Wars). And now they ask themself on which of their platforms. Say they have PC, PS4 and Switch, it is easy to see why they chose to buy this game on Switch. Using docked mode, the game looks and plays exactly the same as on PS4 or PC, but undocked they can play it on the go, something they can't with PS4 or PC. So basically they have added value to the game they want to play if they buy it on Switch. And that there is the reason. If they picked up the game for boredom because no releases, they would just take a PS4 game instead.



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Ganoncrotch said:
Train wreck said:
These comparisons don't really make sense in today's landscape. EA doesn't come out and say 'Fifa 2018 sold 15x more on PS4 than switch', it's irrelevant due to the circumstances as to why a Fifa game would sell on the Switch than on PS4. The same goes for Dead Cells, a 2018 indie game is going to have different exposure between the systems and since a large majority of PS4 owners already own a Switch (70% according to NPD for the US), double dipping wouldn't make sense.

Do you not find it interesting that say... If every single person who owned a ps4 also owned a switch (which obviously isn't the case as there are far more PS4 systems sold) but even in a land where everyone owned both systems, isn't it an interesting statistic that gamers would rather put down the ds4 and extra horsepower in the PS4 and instead buy the title on switch instead.

 

Just at people pushing a narrative that there's no reason to choose a game on switch over the same title on PS4 this should be pretty telling that that isn't the case in the real world.

 

Also the "Nintendo switch gamers just buy any title cos of a drought" 2 things about this. 1, the switch currently has close to 1100 games on it, machine is out for around 600 days, math will tell you about the drought I hope. And 2, if a majority of the switch users had a PS4 as well.... They could just put down the switch and buy a title like spider Man this month, that is of course, if 80% of them have not put down the ds4 to enjoy the amazing dead cells on the switch.

Well, to be fair, for Dead Cells the extra horsepower does nothing. Which is exactly a reason to prefer the Switch-version, because you don't lose anything, but win portability. And what boggles my mind is, that everyone who could easily point out that Dead Cells doesn't utilize the horsepower of the PS4 instead goes for the no gamez argument, while currently a different thread states that most Switch-owners are multiconsole-owners and in this thread people pointing out that Nintendo-consoles are always secondary consoles only for the exclusives. Mind blown.



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GOWTLOZ said:
Slownenberg said:

This is funny considering that Switch is dominating the top 10 or 20 of the software charts these days, and yet "it has no games", and most indie games aren't even recorded on the charts since they are usually download only so hmmmm, reality seems to contradict this guy's view.

Those games are mostly 2017 games and smaller 2018 games. In a year of noteworthy releases Mario tennis wouldn't have been the top seller anywhere.

As a Switch owner, it was collecting dust post SMO but recently I got Octopath and it has me hooked. But I wouldn't have gotten Octopath of Switch had any big release this year.

Which would be a sin, because Octopath is really one great unique game in it's own right, missing it out because it doesn't have one of the big names would've been so wrong.

Anyways, to the argument the charts are filled with 2017 games. True enough, but do you notice something? The argument here is that Dead Cells is visible, because of the lack of other games on Switch, but is drowned in big releases on PS4. But apparently these big releases are missing from the charts either, otherwise we wouldn't see 2017-releases for Switch. So Dead Cells should've been as visible on PS4 as on Switch.



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Mnementh said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Do you not find it interesting that say... If every single person who owned a ps4 also owned a switch (which obviously isn't the case as there are far more PS4 systems sold) but even in a land where everyone owned both systems, isn't it an interesting statistic that gamers would rather put down the ds4 and extra horsepower in the PS4 and instead buy the title on switch instead.

 

Just at people pushing a narrative that there's no reason to choose a game on switch over the same title on PS4 this should be pretty telling that that isn't the case in the real world.

 

Also the "Nintendo switch gamers just buy any title cos of a drought" 2 things about this. 1, the switch currently has close to 1100 games on it, machine is out for around 600 days, math will tell you about the drought I hope. And 2, if a majority of the switch users had a PS4 as well.... They could just put down the switch and buy a title like spider Man this month, that is of course, if 80% of them have not put down the ds4 to enjoy the amazing dead cells on the switch.

Well, to be fair, for Dead Cells the extra horsepower does nothing. Which is exactly a reason to prefer the Switch-version, because you don't lose anything, but win portability. And what boggles my mind is, that everyone who could easily point out that Dead Cells doesn't utilize the horsepower of the PS4 instead goes for the no gamez argument, while currently a different thread states that most Switch-owners are multiconsole-owners and in this thread people pointing out that Nintendo-consoles are always secondary consoles only for the exclusives. Mind blown.

I agree with almost all of this post, except for the bolded point here, with the PS4 you most certainly have more features for social gaming which are lost by going with the Switch version, by that I mean, at the very best right now on Switch you can capture the previous 30 seconds of gameplay at half frame rate (30fps, half for most games) and upload that to twitter/facebook as a tweet later on, and that's not to mention that still the majority of games don't have that functionality, heck there are titles like the horrific wwe port which doesn't even allow you to take screenshots. The Ps4 however constantly has the ability to pull up the last half an hour of gameplay (at 720p on the base ps4) and has a host of editing tools to put together movies, as well as featuring the ability to upload the clips after to youtube and twitch.... ya know... places where videos exist. Also the ps4 can be used to stream your gameplay live to those services and lets you interact with viewers live as you play in both text and voice. Switch has none of those social features.

 

Also achievements, while obviously not a huge thing in terms of having impact on the game, it has to be stated that there are gamers who would enjoy having a profile online which keeps a record of their various accolades in games either for their own browsing or for others on the internet (comes in handy at times when idiots try to play the "you prolly didn't even play d gaem ur tlking abut" card which flies around at times even on this site!)  my own sig has a glimpse into me as a gamer if anyone is interested you can see pretty much the time when my Xbox achievements stop (the x1 reveal) and my psn account starts to roll, up until March of last year. Sorry this became a tangent but I'm saying for some people, even on a minor level, having achievements in a game over the version of a game which is missing them, isn't a "nothing" being lost.

 

Still though, rest of the post couldn't be more on point imo, the narrative of the console not having games, the console only being for Nintendo exclusives, the console not being the choice that anyone would buy 3rd party on, all of those have to be shuffled around and ignore portions of them when it comes to tackling good Switch news threads by certain people and it's a bit sad that they'll forget the dig they just made in another thread about a console when it might damage their argument about it in another.



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This news is noteworthy bc at this point Switch has roughly 1000 games and another 10+ coming out every week. Everyone was talking "discoverability issues on eshop" back in Q1 yet certain indies are still nailing it. Important sales news, perfect for vgchartz community.