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SpokenTruth said:
KLAMarine said:

What is Kaep's history? What has he donated to in the past?

Interesting thing to look into...

So look into it. 

 

Just Google it.

I'll use Bing for the delicious Bing points. In the meantime, I'll appreciate some answers to questions I posed earlier in this thread...



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Rab said:
The only thing hurting this AD campaign now is Serena Williams appalling behaviour

What was appalling about her behaviour.  She bitched about a few calls but in the end, she stood up for Naomi when the crowd was booing.  She could have been a real dick and walked off the court but did not.  I am sure she was upset about getting her butt toasted by Naomi but in the end she made sure that her rival got the praise she deserved for her first major.



KLAMarine said:
SpokenTruth said:

So look into it. 

 

Just Google it.

I'll use Bing for the delicious Bing points. In the meantime, I'll appreciate some answers to questions I posed earlier in this thread...

He donated a million of his own dollars (most of it after he was, "blackballed") and all of his previous season's jersey sales (I believe I read he was the second highest jersey in NFL that season) to charities and causes he believed to be helpful to his message. Before that and while playing, he was already giving money, without mention of it, to charities in the inner city to help improve relations between police and the citizens. He also organized, "ride through" trips where professional athletes got to ride along with Bay Area police through inner city neighborhoods  in an attempt to bridge the relationship gap between police and citizen (again, before the kneeling) by having famous athletes get out and start conversations with citizens. He gave Tom Ford suits to parolees so they could look presentable when going to probation meetings and court appointments (out of his own pocket and to random people in front of the court house on many separate occasions). He set up his own charity and has raised more than a million dollars for it (after his playing days were over).

And I am not going into his political stuff while he was in college. You see, people do not realize this is a man that was always living this life. He was not always the face of things because he is religious and has stated that he was taught in the Bible that you do charity because it is right and not for notoriety.



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Machiavellian said:
Rab said:
The only thing hurting this AD campaign now is Serena Williams appalling behaviour

What was appalling about her behaviour.  She bitched about a few calls but in the end, she stood up for Naomi when the crowd was booing.  She could have been a real dick and walked off the court but did not.  I am sure she was upset about getting her butt toasted by Naomi but in the end she made sure that her rival got the praise she deserved for her first major.

She has walked off before, she has a history of bullying officials 

She gets a warning about something her own coach admits, could have left it there and have no point deducted just a warning, she then intentionally breaks her racket knowing its a point deduction offence, then escalated all this but abusing the Umpire also knowing it's an offense, the Umpire followed the rules to the letter, then has a huge sobbing meltdown, threatening the Umpires job, blaming him for sexism, insulting his job and him as a person, the disgusting crowd booing the whole time in support of Serena's bad behaviour like a pack of dogs     

All while the actual winner gets her dream blighted by Serena's poor sportsmanship, seeing that girl heartbroken, barely able to smile or enjoy the moment so some brat player like Serena can get her selfish point across was heartbreaking     

The Australian press, professional players and the general population here found all this a disgusting display of behaviour by Serena and the crowd, if it's not immediately obvious to people in the US then we have different sensibilities to the US obviously   



I fully support the actions of Serena Williams standing up for women's issues and for standing up for African-Americans. She had the right to stand up against that tennis umpire. Serena Williams is a great American and the world looks forward to her next headline grabbing moments. A new Nike ad featuring the latest incident of Serena Williams will gain massive support on social media reaction.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
KLAMarine said:

I'll use Bing for the delicious Bing points. In the meantime, I'll appreciate some answers to questions I posed earlier in this thread...

He donated a million of his own dollars (most of it after he was, "blackballed") and all of his previous season's jersey sales (I believe I read he was the second highest jersey in NFL that season) to charities and causes he believed to be helpful to his message. Before that and while playing, he was already giving money, without mention of it, to charities in the inner city to help improve relations between police and the citizens. He also organized, "ride through" trips where professional athletes got to ride along with Bay Area police through inner city neighborhoods  in an attempt to bridge the relationship gap between police and citizen (again, before the kneeling) by having famous athletes get out and start conversations with citizens. He gave Tom Ford suits to parolees so they could look presentable when going to probation meetings and court appointments (out of his own pocket and to random people in front of the court house on many separate occasions). He set up his own charity and has raised more than a million dollars for it (after his playing days were over).

And I am not going into his political stuff while he was in college. You see, people do not realize this is a man that was always living this life. He was not always the face of things because he is religious and has stated that he was taught in the Bible that you do charity because it is right and not for notoriety.

Usually, I'd ask for sources but I'm going to take your word for it. Certainly a charitable fellow but I still maintain there could have been better forms of raising awareness to the issue of police brutality outside of kneeling. A shirt would have been good with a chance to sell those shirts and raise money for his cause...



KLAMarine said:

RolStoppable said:

Probably that it means that the issue that was supposed to be done with popped up again in a big way. Plus the ad portrays Kaepernick as a hero when those who opposed the whole idea did their utmost to portray Kaepernick and company as enemies of American values.

I don't have a timeline of events on hand but I think the issue resurfaced after Trump tweeted about it... Makes me wish the president would learn when it's best just to keep his mouth shut and let things die from disinterest.

But that's how he got elected.



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vivster said:
KLAMarine said:

I don't have a timeline of events on hand but I think the issue resurfaced after Trump tweeted about it... Makes me wish the president would learn when it's best just to keep his mouth shut and let things die from disinterest.

But that's how he got elected.

I always thought it was through the electoral college...



KLAMarine said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

He donated a million of his own dollars (most of it after he was, "blackballed") and all of his previous season's jersey sales (I believe I read he was the second highest jersey in NFL that season) to charities and causes he believed to be helpful to his message. Before that and while playing, he was already giving money, without mention of it, to charities in the inner city to help improve relations between police and the citizens. He also organized, "ride through" trips where professional athletes got to ride along with Bay Area police through inner city neighborhoods  in an attempt to bridge the relationship gap between police and citizen (again, before the kneeling) by having famous athletes get out and start conversations with citizens. He gave Tom Ford suits to parolees so they could look presentable when going to probation meetings and court appointments (out of his own pocket and to random people in front of the court house on many separate occasions). He set up his own charity and has raised more than a million dollars for it (after his playing days were over).

And I am not going into his political stuff while he was in college. You see, people do not realize this is a man that was always living this life. He was not always the face of things because he is religious and has stated that he was taught in the Bible that you do charity because it is right and not for notoriety.

Usually, I'd ask for sources but I'm going to take your word for it. Certainly a charitable fellow but I still maintain there could have been better forms of raising awareness to the issue of police brutality outside of kneeling. A shirt would have been good with a chance to sell those shirts and raise money for his cause...

When it comes to a protest, its not about making you comfortable.  Most protest are there to be seen by as many people as possible.  Yes, you can feel there are many different or better ways to form awareness but at the end of the day, you are talking about this issue because awareness was made this way.  It continues to be a subject discussed because of where, when and how.  Today you know more about the kneeling whether you choose to accept it or not then you did before and definitely a shirt would not have brought any more discussion on the topic.  At the end of the day, you still may not care but at least you may be more informed about the person and their cause.



Rab said:
Machiavellian said:

What was appalling about her behaviour.  She bitched about a few calls but in the end, she stood up for Naomi when the crowd was booing.  She could have been a real dick and walked off the court but did not.  I am sure she was upset about getting her butt toasted by Naomi but in the end she made sure that her rival got the praise she deserved for her first major.

She has walked off before, she has a history of bullying officials 

She gets a warning about something her own coach admits, could have left it there and have no point deducted just a warning, she then intentionally breaks her racket knowing its a point deduction offence, then escalated all this but abusing the Umpire also knowing it's an offense, the Umpire followed the rules to the letter, then has a huge sobbing meltdown, threatening the Umpires job, blaming him for sexism, insulting his job and him as a person, the disgusting crowd booing the whole time in support of Serena's bad behaviour like a pack of dogs     

All while the actual winner gets her dream blighted by Serena's poor sportsmanship, seeing that girl heartbroken, barely able to smile or enjoy the moment so some brat player like Serena can get her selfish point across was heartbreaking     

The Australian press, professional players and the general population here found all this a disgusting display of behaviour by Serena and the crowd, if it's not immediately obvious to people in the US then we have different sensibilities to the US obviously   

Yes she has walked off before but did you know why.  Would you even care as you only see the result and not the cause or what lead up to it.  Either way, that is history let's concentrate on this case.  Whether right or wrong, most competitive athletes get upset.  She had her argument but realized still, that this win was an event for Naomi and made sure she gave her respect.  Did you totally ignore that part or it doesn't mean anything.  Has Serena been hot headed in the past, yes, has the sport and it's fans during her younger years treated her like crap, yes.   Case in point would be that nice cartoon from the Herald Sun

I love how Australians are jumping to the defense of that cartoon of Serena and Naomi.  Nothing like making the all black woman look like a large ape jumping on her racket while making the half black half Japanese woman blond and blue eyes white woman but maybe that is how Australians view black people.  When the other person is half black, well you just make them white and move on from there while making the all black woman look like a large brute.  I am not really sure if I care what the Australian press feel.  I will go more towards the professional players and say they are right she overreacted but at least in her later days she understood the situation and gave Naomi her credit.