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Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan Sales Week 35 Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - August 27- September 02, 2018

Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

That's ironic you saying that. 

Imo this is the new standard for Nintendo portables. Higher price of hardware and software. Connection to allow it play on the TV. If you're saying this isn't the 3ds successor then you're most likely saying Nintendo are out of the portable console business. Because apparently this is a home console that can be just taken on the go. 

Imo we won't see Nintendo ever releasing 2 consoles at a time again. Switch is 3ds successor and instead of making traditional home consoles they will just give their portable consoles the ability to be plugged into the TV. 

Do you have something to backup such a claims? I have your previous post like clear example.

But that's a point, Switch is not handheld its a hybrid, and if you look at Switch only like handheld devaice definitely has high price point. You again missing point, I didnt said what Switch is, but what Nintendo saying Switch is, and they saying its console not handheld, and again reason why they saying that is because Switch hardware and software have price point of home console not of handheld. Talking about reality, Switch is a hybrid, home console and handheld in one, its successor to 3DS and Wii U, but they still dont want/cant to pushing it like 3DS succors also because still has high price point for handheld and 3DS is still on market, but they will change tone when they have price point of around $200 or release Switch Mini/Pocket (that I susspect will be just for handheld play) that will effectivly replace 3DS (handheld) price point on market.

Nintendo will stick to one platform in future also, we will not see from them two totally different platforms like we had before (3DS and Wii U, DS and Wii..), and margin handheld and home consoles platforms in one is one of their best moves.

Successor to the 3DS and Wii u. Couldn't agree more. I said this for years and so many disagreed. I don't think 3ds will get a separate successor because switch is it. It's aiming for all the handheld market sales 3ds and ds aimed for but with the added bonus of aiming for the Wii u market aswell 



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Megiddo said:

Exactly. Nintendo was demolished with their last attempt at a dedicated home console, so they (correctly) decided to instead just throw a HDMI port on their portable and allow them to be plugged into a TV. Sony was demolished with their last attempt at a portable console, so they (correctly) decided to surrender that market to Nintendo and mobile phones/tablets.

Both Nintendo and Sony have shed themselves of their weaker hardware and have decided to focus entirely on their strengths. It's no surprise that both are doing extremely well relative to their recent past now that they both don't have Vita/Wii U successors weighing them down.

Eh, Switch is much more than just handheld with HDMI port, it's total practically handheld and home console in one out of box, and you even have two different mods for games playing in handheld and home console mode. Also Nintendo didnt decaide just throw HDMI port on their portable, their efectfivly marged their handheld and home console divisions in to one and for first time they are going with just one platform instead two totally different platforms, and reason for that is that they couldnt effectively support any more two different platforms in same time.



Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

Do you have something to backup such a claims? I have your previous post like clear example.

But that's a point, Switch is not handheld its a hybrid, and if you look at Switch only like handheld devaice definitely has high price point. You again missing point, I didnt said what Switch is, but what Nintendo saying Switch is, and they saying its console not handheld, and again reason why they saying that is because Switch hardware and software have price point of home console not of handheld. Talking about reality, Switch is a hybrid, home console and handheld in one, its successor to 3DS and Wii U, but they still dont want/cant to pushing it like 3DS succors also because still has high price point for handheld and 3DS is still on market, but they will change tone when they have price point of around $200 or release Switch Mini/Pocket (that I susspect will be just for handheld play) that will effectivly replace 3DS (handheld) price point on market.

Nintendo will stick to one platform in future also, we will not see from them two totally different platforms like we had before (3DS and Wii U, DS and Wii..), and margin handheld and home consoles platforms in one is one of their best moves.

Successor to the 3DS and Wii u. Couldn't agree more. I said this for years and so many disagreed. I don't think 3ds will get a separate successor because switch is it. It's aiming for all the handheld market sales 3ds and ds aimed for but with the added bonus of aiming for the Wii u market aswell 

Yeah, there is zero sense to release onother hardware of any kind that will not be part of Switch platform. But like I wrote, I think that Nintendo will release Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play in order to have much more affordable price point and that will effectively replace 3DS price point on market when 3DS finaly dies. Nintendo already said that their goal with Switch is to be device per person instead device per house but that still isnt possible with current price point of Switch. I mean you can only try to imagine Switch sales in Japan when Switch has price point of around $200 with adition of avilible games like core Pokemon and Animal Crossing with already released games like Splatoon2, MK8D, Zelda BotW, Mario 2D/3D, new MH game...



Miyamotoo said:
Megiddo said:

Exactly. Nintendo was demolished with their last attempt at a dedicated home console, so they (correctly) decided to instead just throw a HDMI port on their portable and allow them to be plugged into a TV. Sony was demolished with their last attempt at a portable console, so they (correctly) decided to surrender that market to Nintendo and mobile phones/tablets.

Both Nintendo and Sony have shed themselves of their weaker hardware and have decided to focus entirely on their strengths. It's no surprise that both are doing extremely well relative to their recent past now that they both don't have Vita/Wii U successors weighing them down.

Eh, Switch is much more than just handheld with HDMI port, it's total practically handheld and home console in one out of box, and you even have two different mods for games playing in handheld and home console mode. Also Nintendo didnt decaide just throw HDMI port on their portable, their efectfivly marged their handheld and home console divisions in to one and for first time they are going with just one platform instead two totally different platforms, and reason for that is that they couldnt effectively support any more two different platforms in same time.

Well if you want games up to the current AAA standard set by xbox and ps4 especially pro and x then the switch isn't that type of home console. The fact it had to be portable severely hampered the power they could aim for. This tells me they valued the portability more. 

 

No shame in that because as a handheld its nice and powerful and imo that's its primary market and the market most of its Ltd sales will come from. 



Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Successor to the 3DS and Wii u. Couldn't agree more. I said this for years and so many disagreed. I don't think 3ds will get a separate successor because switch is it. It's aiming for all the handheld market sales 3ds and ds aimed for but with the added bonus of aiming for the Wii u market aswell 

Yeah, there is zero sense to release onother hardware of any kind that will not be part of Switch platform. But like I wrote, I think that Nintendo will release Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play in order to have much more affordable price point and that will effectively replace 3DS price point on market when 3DS finaly dies. Nintendo already said that their goal with Switch is to be device per person instead device per house but that still isnt possible with current price point of Switch. I mean you can only try to imagine Switch sales in Japan when Switch has price point of around $200 with adition of avilible games like core Pokemon and Animal Crossing with already released games like Splatoon2, MK8D, Zelda BotW, Mario 2D/3D, new MH game...

I imagine it's sales will be like previous Nintendo handheld before and won't break their record. So that makes it quite easy to imagine. Between 20 and 30m imo. 



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Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

Eh, Switch is much more than just handheld with HDMI port, it's total practically handheld and home console in one out of box, and you even have two different mods for games playing in handheld and home console mode. Also Nintendo didnt decaide just throw HDMI port on their portable, their efectfivly marged their handheld and home console divisions in to one and for first time they are going with just one platform instead two totally different platforms, and reason for that is that they couldnt effectively support any more two different platforms in same time.

Well if you want games up to the current AAA standard set by xbox and ps4 especially pro and x then the switch isn't that type of home console. The fact it had to be portable severely hampered the power they could aim for. This tells me they valued the portability more. 

No shame in that because as a handheld its nice and powerful and imo that's its primary market and the market most of its Ltd sales will come from. 

Well yeah, main point about AAA multiplatform games on Switch is point they could play in handheld and tabletop mode, but also that you can switch to docked mode and change play stylus that you suit more. But that doesnt mean that people playing Switch only in handheld mode, we had survey and around 50% Switch owners playing Switch in both modes, around 30% owners play Switch primary in portable/tabletop mode and around 20% plays primarily in docked mode. And thats exactly power of Switch, Switch suits difrent play styles, but of course if we talking about Japan specific we talking about handheld/tabletop mostly.

https://nintendoeverything.com/kimishima-on-how-people-are-playing-switch-usage-by-household/

 

Kerotan said: 
Miyamotoo said: 

Yeah, there is zero sense to release onother hardware of any kind that will not be part of Switch platform. But like I wrote, I think that Nintendo will release Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play in order to have much more affordable price point and that will effectively replace 3DS price point on market when 3DS finaly dies. Nintendo already said that their goal with Switch is to be device per person instead device per house but that still isnt possible with current price point of Switch. I mean you can only try to imagine Switch sales in Japan when Switch has price point of around $200 with adition of avilible games like core Pokemon and Animal Crossing with already released games like Splatoon2, MK8D, Zelda BotW, Mario 2D/3D, new MH game...

I imagine it's sales will be like previous Nintendo handheld before and won't break their record. So that makes it quite easy to imagine. Between 20 and 30m imo. 

That realy depends how much revision we will have, have long life span Switch will have, also one of factors could be if Sony will maybe release new handheld in Japan...its hard to say how much will sell at end, but for now I can see passing 20m at least (at end of this year, so less than 2 years on market Switch will pass 7m sold units in Japan).



Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Well if you want games up to the current AAA standard set by xbox and ps4 especially pro and x then the switch isn't that type of home console. The fact it had to be portable severely hampered the power they could aim for. This tells me they valued the portability more. 

No shame in that because as a handheld its nice and powerful and imo that's its primary market and the market most of its Ltd sales will come from. 

Well yeah, main point about AAA multiplatform games on Switch is point they could play in handheld and tabletop mode, but also that you can switch to docked mode and change play stylus that you suit more. But that doesnt mean that people playing Switch only in handheld mode, we had survey and around 50% Switch owners playing Switch in both modes, around 30% owners play Switch primary in portable/tabletop mode and around 20% plays primarily in docked mode. And thats exactly power of Switch, Switch suits difrent play styles, but of course if we talking about Japan specific we talking about handheld/tabletop mostly.

https://nintendoeverything.com/kimishima-on-how-people-are-playing-switch-usage-by-household/

 

Kerotan said: 

I imagine it's sales will be like previous Nintendo handheld before and won't break their record. So that makes it quite easy to imagine. Between 20 and 30m imo. 

That realy depends how much revision we will have, have long life span Switch will have, also one of factors could be if Sony will maybe release new handheld in Japan...its hard to say how much will sell at end, but for now I can see passing 20m at least (at end of this year, so less than 2 years on market Switch will pass 7m sold units in Japan).

I highly doubt we see a Sony handheld unless by some voodoo magic the ps5 can have a portable sku with all games compatible. Not possible with ps4 and I doubt ps5. So Nintendo should have no competition from consoles on the portable side. 



Maynard_Tool said:
Almost 2019 and people are still arguing about the switch. Switch is nintendo’s bet for their home console market, nintendo already said it. Deal with it people

Yep! Another example is that at The Video Game Awards. No switch games were on the handhelds category. And how NPD mentioned the Switch broke the Home Console record. 



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Jranation said:
Maynard_Tool said:
Almost 2019 and people are still arguing about the switch. Switch is nintendo’s bet for their home console market, nintendo already said it. Deal with it people

Yep! Another example is that at The Video Game Awards. No switch games were on the handhelds category. And how NPD mentioned the Switch broke the Home Console record. 

So you're arguing that Switch doesn't count as a handheld console so Nintendo have left that market just like Sony. We all know that's ridiculous. 



The difference between PS and ninty is that PS dropped the handheld market while ninty held on to the home console market. The continued to support the Wii U which transitions nicely into the switch while PS just dropped the Vita.