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Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

But its not about standard, its about clear facts, Switch has price point of home consoles, and on market on which people mostly have interest in handhelds, thats too much for plenty of people for a handheld console, especially for people that are buying multiple consoles per household. $300 for handheld is still far away from mass market price point for handheld devaice (again its good price for hybrid but not for handheld).

Buy time Nintendo will offcourse lower price (price cuts, revisions, probably Switch Mini/Pocket..), and like wrote, only than when Switch has price point of handheld ($200>) in Japan sales will really explode and people will start buying multiply units per household.

Value of that package is very bad, for only $50 more you get much greater value, I mean only separate charger cost >$50.

Fact is you can still get it for this so called handheld price of 250 you keep mentioning. Anyway i wouldn't call 300 the standard launch price for consoles. Ps3 was 600, ps4 400, ps2 400, 360 500, xb1 500, the Wii 250, wii u 350, game cube 200. Psp 226, Vita 300, DS 150 and the 3ds 150.

As you can see prices for portable consoles and home consoles are all over the place. Switch being sold for 300 and 250 in no way suggests its either a portable or traditional home console based on price alone. That's just fact. 

No, I dont mentione $250 all the time, I mention $200, also that $250 price is without charger, dock and cables (so you need to pay at least $50 extra just for buying seperate charger), so you would need to be crazy to buy that for $250 instead hole package for just $50 more. I didnt said that $300 is standard home console price point but $300 is price point of home consoles not handhelds, Switch is not cheaper than Nintendo home consoles (there is no point comparing it with Sony consoles because Sony consoles were always more expansive than Nintendo consoles in any case), so last 3 Nintendo home console, GC had price point of $200, Wii $250, Wii U (model whithout bundled game) $300. Again like I wrote, 3DS had price point of $250 and didnt sell and thats why need to have huge price drop to $170-180 only 6 months after launch in order to start selling. So again clear fact, Switch has price point Nintendo home console not handheld, also again, $300 for handheld is still far away from mass market price point for handheld devaice (again its good price for hybrid but not for handheld).

Also one of main reasons why Nintendo actually pushing Switch like home console on first place is price point of Switch and Switch games, and fact is that Switch has price point for hardware and software of home consoles not handhelds so Nintendo pushing Switch like home console on first place.

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Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Fact is you can still get it for this so called handheld price of 250 you keep mentioning. Anyway i wouldn't call 300 the standard launch price for consoles. Ps3 was 600, ps4 400, ps2 400, 360 500, xb1 500, the Wii 250, wii u 350, game cube 200. Psp 226, Vita 300, DS 150 and the 3ds 150.

As you can see prices for portable consoles and home consoles are all over the place. Switch being sold for 300 and 250 in no way suggests its either a portable or traditional home console based on price alone. That's just fact. 

No, I dont mentione $250 all the time, I mention $200, also that $250 price is without charger, dock and cables (so you need to pay at least $50 extra just for buying seperate charger), so you would need to be crazy to buy that for $250 instead hole package for just $50 more. I didnt said that $300 is standard home console price point but $300 is price point of home consoles not handhelds, Switch is not cheaper than Nintendo home consoles (there is no point comparing it with Sony consoles because Sony consoles were always more expansive than Nintendo consoles in any case), so last 3 Nintendo home console, GC had price point of $200, Wii $250, Wii U (model whithout bundled game) $300. Again like I wrote, 3DS had price point of $250 and didnt sell and thats why need to have huge price drop to $170-180 only 6 months after launch in order to start selling. So again clear fact, Switch has price point Nintendo home console not handheld, also again, $300 for handheld is still far away from mass market price point for handheld devaice (again its good price for hybrid but not for handheld).

Also one of main reasons why Nintendo actually pushing Switch like home console on first place is price point of Switch and Switch games, and fact is that Switch has price point for hardware and software of home consoles not handhelds so Nintendo pushing Switch like home console on first place.

Pushing it as a home console? It's biggest selling point is it's portability. The reason Nintendo handheld have been so cheap is because Nintendo decided to make relatively weak hardware. Switch actually has impressive graphics for a portable device for once from Nintendo so as a result the price had to be a little highe. And considering kids and adults get such expensive mobile phones these days asking 300 for the switch is no big deal. 



Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

No, I dont mentione $250 all the time, I mention $200, also that $250 price is without charger, dock and cables (so you need to pay at least $50 extra just for buying seperate charger), so you would need to be crazy to buy that for $250 instead hole package for just $50 more. I didnt said that $300 is standard home console price point but $300 is price point of home consoles not handhelds, Switch is not cheaper than Nintendo home consoles (there is no point comparing it with Sony consoles because Sony consoles were always more expansive than Nintendo consoles in any case), so last 3 Nintendo home console, GC had price point of $200, Wii $250, Wii U (model whithout bundled game) $300. Again like I wrote, 3DS had price point of $250 and didnt sell and thats why need to have huge price drop to $170-180 only 6 months after launch in order to start selling. So again clear fact, Switch has price point Nintendo home console not handheld, also again, $300 for handheld is still far away from mass market price point for handheld devaice (again its good price for hybrid but not for handheld).

Also one of main reasons why Nintendo actually pushing Switch like home console on first place is price point of Switch and Switch games, and fact is that Switch has price point for hardware and software of home consoles not handhelds so Nintendo pushing Switch like home console on first place.

Pushing it as a home console? It's biggest selling point is it's portability. The reason Nintendo handheld have been so cheap is because Nintendo decided to make relatively weak hardware. Switch actually has impressive graphics for a portable device for once from Nintendo so as a result the price had to be a little highe. And considering kids and adults get such expensive mobile phones these days asking 300 for the switch is no big deal. 

You dont get it, hybrid concept is biggest selling point of Switch (in this case handheld side), but fact is that Nintendo refers to Switch like console not like handheld, while they refer to 3DS like handheld.

https://www.nintendo.com/3ds/what-is-nintendo-3ds

https://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-now/

 

3DS has very week hardware and yet had $250 launch price point. Also if Switch is only handheld instead of hybrid (so without Dock, attachable Joy Cons, parts...), it would have much lower price point than that actually has. Comparing price points of Android/iOS platform devaices with dedicated console platforms is pointles, mobile phones can do huge a variety of things while with Switch you cant do much except playing games (currently you cant play even YouTube or browse internet).

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 10 September 2018

Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Pushing it as a home console? It's biggest selling point is it's portability. The reason Nintendo handheld have been so cheap is because Nintendo decided to make relatively weak hardware. Switch actually has impressive graphics for a portable device for once from Nintendo so as a result the price had to be a little highe. And considering kids and adults get such expensive mobile phones these days asking 300 for the switch is no big deal. 

You dont get it, hybrid concept is biggest selling point of Switch (in this case handheld side), but fact is that Nintendo refers to Switch like console not like handheld, while they refer to 3DS like handheld.

https://www.nintendo.com/3ds/what-is-nintendo-3ds

https://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-now/

 

3DS has very week hardware and yet had $250 launch price point. Also if Switch is only handheld instead of hybrid (so without Dock, attachable Joy Cons, parts...), it would have much lower price point than that actually has. Comparing price points of Android/iOS platform devaices with dedicated console platforms is pointles, mobile phones can do huge a variety of things while with Switch you cant do much except playing games (currently you cant play even YouTube or browse internet).

It's called pr. Why would they call it a handheld when they are still selling the 3ds both hardware and software.

 

 

"You dont get it, hybrid concept is biggest selling point of Switch (in this case handheld side)"

 

Well it looks like i do get it because ever since reveal I've been pushing the idea it's a hybrid with the handheld side being its biggest selling point. 



Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

You dont get it, hybrid concept is biggest selling point of Switch (in this case handheld side), but fact is that Nintendo refers to Switch like console not like handheld, while they refer to 3DS like handheld.

https://www.nintendo.com/3ds/what-is-nintendo-3ds

https://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-now/

 

3DS has very week hardware and yet had $250 launch price point. Also if Switch is only handheld instead of hybrid (so without Dock, attachable Joy Cons, parts...), it would have much lower price point than that actually has. Comparing price points of Android/iOS platform devaices with dedicated console platforms is pointles, mobile phones can do huge a variety of things while with Switch you cant do much except playing games (currently you cant play even YouTube or browse internet).

It's called pr. Why would they call it a handheld when they are still selling the 3ds both hardware and software.

 

"You dont get it, hybrid concept is biggest selling point of Switch (in this case handheld side)"

Well it looks like i do get it because ever since reveal I've been pushing the idea it's a hybrid with the handheld side being its biggest selling point. 

Or when Switch hardware and software has price point of home console not of handheld, and because of that they want to ensure people that Switch has higher value, like home console not like handheld.

Now you changing goals and taking things out of context.



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Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

It's called pr. Why would they call it a handheld when they are still selling the 3ds both hardware and software.

 

"You dont get it, hybrid concept is biggest selling point of Switch (in this case handheld side)"

Well it looks like i do get it because ever since reveal I've been pushing the idea it's a hybrid with the handheld side being its biggest selling point. 

Or when Switch hardware and software has price point of home console not of handheld, and because of that they want to ensure people that Switch has higher value, like home console not like handheld.

Now you changing goals and taking things out of context.

That's ironic you saying that. 

 

Imo this is the new standard for Nintendo portables. Higher price of hardware and software. Connection to allow it play on the TV. If you're saying this isn't the 3ds successor then you're most likely saying Nintendo are out of the portable console business. Because apparently this is a home console that can be just taken on the go. 

 

Imo we won't see Nintendo ever releasing 2 consoles at a time again. Switch is 3ds successor and instead of making traditional home consoles they will just give their portable consoles the ability to be plugged into the TV. 



Almost 2019 and people are still arguing about the switch. Switch is nintendo’s bet for their home console market, nintendo already said it. Deal with it people



Exactly. Nintendo was demolished with their last attempt at a dedicated home console, so they (correctly) decided to instead just throw a HDMI port on their portable and allow them to be plugged into a TV. Sony was demolished with their last attempt at a portable console, so they (correctly) decided to surrender that market to Nintendo and mobile phones/tablets.

Both Nintendo and Sony have shed themselves of their weaker hardware and have decided to focus entirely on their strengths. It's no surprise that both are doing extremely well relative to their recent past now that they both don't have Vita/Wii U successors weighing them down.



Maynard_Tool said:
Almost 2019 and people are still arguing about the switch. Switch is nintendo’s bet for their home console market, nintendo already said it. Deal with it people

It is the same couple of people as usual. It is funny Nintendo have said what it is, and have defined it. 



 

Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

Or when Switch hardware and software has price point of home console not of handheld, and because of that they want to ensure people that Switch has higher value, like home console not like handheld.

Now you changing goals and taking things out of context.

That's ironic you saying that. 

Imo this is the new standard for Nintendo portables. Higher price of hardware and software. Connection to allow it play on the TV. If you're saying this isn't the 3ds successor then you're most likely saying Nintendo are out of the portable console business. Because apparently this is a home console that can be just taken on the go. 

Imo we won't see Nintendo ever releasing 2 consoles at a time again. Switch is 3ds successor and instead of making traditional home consoles they will just give their portable consoles the ability to be plugged into the TV. 

Do you have something to backup such a claims? I have your previous post like clear example.

But that's a point, Switch is not handheld its a hybrid, and if you look at Switch only like handheld devaice definitely has high price point. You again missing point, I didnt said what Switch is, but what Nintendo saying Switch is, and they saying its console not handheld, and again reason why they saying that is because Switch hardware and software have price point of home console not of handheld. Talking about reality, Switch is a hybrid, home console and handheld in one, its successor to 3DS and Wii U, but they still dont want/cant to pushing it like 3DS succors also because still has high price point for handheld and 3DS is still on market, but they will change tone when they have price point of around $200 or release Switch Mini/Pocket (that I susspect will be just for handheld play) that will effectivly replace 3DS (handheld) price point on market.

Nintendo will stick to one platform in future also, we will not see from them two totally different platforms like we had before (3DS and Wii U, DS and Wii..), and margin handheld and home consoles platforms in one is one of their best moves.

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 10 September 2018