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Are women over-represented in video games?

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Which of these MOST describes your view?

Women are over-represented in video games. 8 10.13%
 
Women have too much of a ... 4 5.06%
 
Both of the above. 7 8.86%
 
None of the above. I will clarify. Honestly. 60 75.95%
 
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RolStoppable said:
Jaicee, I think that like in many other cases you are infusing your experiences with other websites in a VGC-centric thread and that is detrimental to the overall point you are trying to make, because you are accusing this particular community of more than actually happens. You create a basis for your thread that can push people into immediate defense mode.

That being said, you have to consider that video games are the mass medium with the strongest focus on male fantasies. Actually, it's only the mass medium where male fantasies are the cream of the crop, the bread and butter of the industry. Women and political correctness have already taken over movies and TV, so video games are the last remaining place. For men who want to bathe in male fantasies, there is a strong defensive reaction every time there is a sign that women or male feminists want to limit that fun. Conversely, there aren't going to be widespread complaints about too many games that appeal to male fantasies, because that is what the overwhelmingly male audience of gaming forums wants or is fine with.

You say "male fantasies" as if it's something bad. It's neither good, nor bad, it's just something that is demanded and then supplied.

Also, please explain why you don't consider porn a "mass medium".



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Gaming has always had a surprisingly large female presence. Even in the 90s and early 2000s you had Samus, amaterasu, Laura Croft, Claire redfield, Terra, important secondary characters like Meryl from mgs, Cortana from halo and countless characters from games with large casts like RPGs and fighters. The only difference is now you have a ton of whiny anti sjws that complain everytime something doesn't cater specifically to them.



Over or under representation is not a meaningful goal. High quality or low quality representation is.

As someone who has dabbled with writing, it's hard to write good fiction to an exacting politically motivated prompt. "You have to make your cast be proportionate to the population" counts as an exacting politically motivated prompt. Writers should be free to write whatever stories they want with whatever characters they want to create in whatever roles they want because the alternative...will suck.

I don't think that we should expect a male protagonist because the last game had a female one, or a female one because the industry lacks female characters. I think we should expect that if the writers choose to have a male protagonist, they should do it well. And if the writers want a female character, we should expect them to do that well. The only eyes I have are for quality because in a game industry where new games come out daily, quantity is effectively irrelevant.



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RolStoppable said:
Jaicee, I think that like in many other cases you are infusing your experiences with other websites in a VGC-centric thread and that is detrimental to the overall point you are trying to make, because you are accusing this particular community of more than actually happens. You create a basis for your thread that can push people into immediate defense mode.

That being said, you have to consider that video games are the mass medium with the strongest focus on male fantasies. Actually, it's only the mass medium where male fantasies are the cream of the crop, the bread and butter of the industry. Women and political correctness have already taken over movies and TV, so video games are the last remaining place. For men who want to bathe in male fantasies, there is a strong defensive reaction every time there is a sign that women or male feminists want to limit that fun. Conversely, there aren't going to be widespread complaints about too many games that appeal to male fantasies, because that is what the overwhelmingly male audience of gaming forums wants or is fine with.

You say "male fantasies" as if it's something bad. It's neither good, nor bad, it's just something that is demanded and then supplied.

Also, please explain why you don't consider porn a "mass medium".

In response to your first concern, I am trying to have a discourse where I am not perceived as an enemy by the OP.

In response to your question, it seems a lot of feminists are uncomfortable with porn. They wouldn't dare to attack a man's last bastion of freedom and male feminists wouldn't want to take their own favorite toy away either.



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No woman aren't overrepresented in games, that has nothing to do with the complaints people have. The complaint is that these games are bending over backwards to shove politics into their games and then show it off like a circus event. E3 is supposed to be about cool video games, it's not a gay pride parade.

Tell me, when you go onto a game like Slither.io, does it not bother you that about a fifth of the players have names like "Trump is King" and other more derogatory political messages? I honestly can't stand them.

In all honesty, republicans are ENORMOUS hipocrits on the matter because I see them doing it far more than I see any liberals doing it. But as a liberal, I refuse to stoop to that level and I will happily call out the bullshit on my own side.

The Last of Us 2 is not a gay pride parade. Sure, you can make Ellie gay, but why is that being advertised as a core element of the game in the reveal trailer?



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Women are not over-represented. Quite the opposite. I think contrary to the poll options, those ideas have more to do with a vocal minority.

Darc Requiem said:

If you are going to put a game in historical setting, you may want to abide the setting.

Why does a piece of fiction have to adhere to the facts?  Battlefield isn't claiming to be 100% accurate representation of the past.  

What about The Order?  It was set in a "historical" setting.  Yet there were apparently werewolves and sci-fi weapons.  

Battlefield has as much of a Civic duty to historical accuracy as The Order.  Both games are works of fiction.  

DarkD said:
No woman aren't overrepresented in games, that has nothing to do with the complaints people have. The complaint is that these games are bending over backwards to shove politics into their games and then show it off like a circus event. E3 is supposed to be about cool video games, it's not a gay pride parade.

Tell me, when you go onto a game like Slither.io, does it not bother you that about a fifth of the players have names like "Trump is King" and other more derogatory political messages? I honestly can't stand them.

In all honesty, republicans are ENORMOUS hipocrits on the matter because I see them doing it far more than I see any liberals doing it. But as a liberal, I refuse to stoop to that level and I will happily call out the bullshit on my own side.

The Last of Us 2 is not a gay pride parade. Sure, you can make Ellie gay, but why is that being advertised as a core element of the game in the reveal trailer?

Gay people have nothing to do with politics. They are real people who would like to see more diverse characters, some they could relate to. Being gay isn't being treated as a core element of the game, it's part of Ellie's character.

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Aloy from HZD is my favorite Character in a game this gen. I don't mind women protagonists as long as the story surrounding them is good. Aloy also isn't your typical super model heroine, she is good looking but she looks believable like girl next door looks.



Women are ~50% of the population. They are not 50% represented in video games nor in video game production.



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In a fantasy setting, I don't think it matters all that much. The gender of the cast is up to their creators of that universe. Can be all girl, all dude, or preferably (for me) an even mix of the two.

In a realistic setting, I mean, I guess I don't care personally, but I can see why some people might get upset. The use of token characters is present in all media though, and it's up to the creators to make those characters feel naturally incorporated. Personally I don't really like to see blatant attempts at filling a diversity quota, not because I have an issue with diversity of course, but because that type of thing just takes me out of the universe and makes me all too aware it's just a game, movie, etc.

That being said, it doesn't need to feel blatant either. I'm all for a nice diverse cast that fits well into the setting...though I suppose that's a bit subjective as to what that entails.



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the-pi-guy said:

Women are not over-represented. Quite the opposite. I think contrary to the poll options, those ideas have more to do with a vocal minority.

Darc Requiem said:

If you are going to put a game in historical setting, you may want to abide the setting.

Why does a piece of fiction have to adhere to the facts?  Battlefield isn't claiming to be 100% accurate representation of the past.  

What about The Order?  It was set in a "historical" setting.  Yet there were apparently werewolves and sci-fi weapons.  

Battlefield has as much of a Civic duty to historical accuracy as The Order.  Both games are works of fiction.  

DarkD said:
No woman aren't overrepresented in games, that has nothing to do with the complaints people have. The complaint is that these games are bending over backwards to shove politics into their games and then show it off like a circus event. E3 is supposed to be about cool video games, it's not a gay pride parade.

Tell me, when you go onto a game like Slither.io, does it not bother you that about a fifth of the players have names like "Trump is King" and other more derogatory political messages? I honestly can't stand them.

In all honesty, republicans are ENORMOUS hipocrits on the matter because I see them doing it far more than I see any liberals doing it. But as a liberal, I refuse to stoop to that level and I will happily call out the bullshit on my own side.

The Last of Us 2 is not a gay pride parade. Sure, you can make Ellie gay, but why is that being advertised as a core element of the game in the reveal trailer?

Gay people have nothing to do with politics. They are real people who would like to see more diverse characters, some they could relate to. Being gay isn't being treated as a core element of the game, it's part of Ellie's character.

The Order and Battlefield aren't the same thing. Poor comparison. Works of fiction don't have to adhere to the facts, however Battlefield has made it a point to adhere to the historical time period it takes place. It's predecessor went back WWI and it's campaign focused on real battle units using only the weapons of the period. Battlefield isn't Resistance, The Order, or even a further outlier like Valkyria Chronicles. Those games tell you from the outset that they aren't shooting for accuracy. That aside, the situation is completely unnecessary. It's WWII game. There was country, Russia, that had women on that did serve on the front lines. Having a someone with a prosthetic limb on the front lines of game that only uses weapons of the period is just silly at best. The things she does would be difficult to do with prosthetic's of today. Why not add rail guns, stealth fighters, and hover packs too.