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Who is Sony's PS mascot?

Kratos 25 39.68%
 
Nathan Drake 20 31.75%
 
Ratchet and Clank 4 6.35%
 
Helghast 0 0.00%
 
Sackboy 7 11.11%
 
Other 7 11.11%
 
Total:63
BoseDK said:
Shiken said:

So now we are pulling 3rd party games into a discussion about 1st party sales figures?

 

*notices the goal posts seem to be on wheels*

You're the one derailing the conversation bud. It's about mascots and their importance. I have proven beyond a shadow of doubt why Sony has no need for them and MS/Nintendo are completely reliant on them and would go bankrupt if these few IPs were taken away from them as they simply lack the talent to create anything on the same level as what they did in the past. The attach rate of Sony's games vs. Nintendo's games has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Sony consoles sell more, have bigger libraries and a more diverse audience, all factors which lead to less attach rates for any individual game. Nintendo consoles have small install bases and very few worthwhile games to choose from and most buy the consoles for those few titles. 

Answer me this...what new IP this gen aside from Horizon Zero Dawn has been both critically acclaimed and sold more than Splatoon 2 this gen?

 

Bear in mind that Uncharted 4 and God of War are both existing IPs being the 5th and 7th game in their respective IP...I'll wait...

 

And FYI, you were the one who dragged Nintendo into this by making a poor comparison to justify your otherwise valid opinion of them not needing a mascot.  I am simply pointing out that your logic behind the comparison is flawed.



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Shiken said:
BoseDK said:

You're the one derailing the conversation bud. It's about mascots and their importance. I have proven beyond a shadow of doubt why Sony has no need for them and MS/Nintendo are completely reliant on them and would go bankrupt if these few IPs were taken away from them as they simply lack the talent to create anything on the same level as what they did in the past. The attach rate of Sony's games vs. Nintendo's games has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Sony consoles sell more, have bigger libraries and a more diverse audience, all factors which lead to less attach rates for any individual game. Nintendo consoles have small install bases and very few worthwhile games to choose from and most buy the consoles for those few titles. 

Answer me this...what new IP this gen aside from Horizon Zero Dawn has been both critically acclaimed and sold more than Splatoon 2 this gen?

 

Bear in mind that Uncharted 4 and God of War are both existing IPs being the 5th and 7th game in their respective IP...I'll wait...

The new IPs of this gen are on their way. Ghost of Tsushima, Dreams, Death Stranding, Days Gone have yet to release. 

Bear in mind that Splatoon 2 is a sequel to Splatoon 1, and not a new IP. 



BoseDK said:
Shiken said:

Answer me this...what new IP this gen aside from Horizon Zero Dawn has been both critically acclaimed and sold more than Splatoon 2 this gen?

 

Bear in mind that Uncharted 4 and God of War are both existing IPs being the 5th and 7th game in their respective IP...I'll wait...

The new IPs of this gen are on their way. Ghost of Tsushima, Dreams, Death Stranding, Days Gone have yet to release. 

Bear in mind that Splatoon 2 is a sequel to Splatoon 1, and not a new IP. 

Ok first of all, you have to teach me how to time teavel to the future so I can play these games that have sold insane numbers and have lived up to their hype.  (seriously, you just lost all credibility)

 

Second, Splatoon 2 being a sequel to a new IP at the end of the WiiU generation, a failed console mind you, is a huge difference crom IPs that are over a decade old on the PS4.  (if you had not already lost credibility from point one, this would have finished the job).

 

I think we are done here lol.



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Shiken said:
BoseDK said:

The new IPs of this gen are on their way. Ghost of Tsushima, Dreams, Death Stranding, Days Gone have yet to release. 

Bear in mind that Splatoon 2 is a sequel to Splatoon 1, and not a new IP. 

Ok first of all, you have to teach me how to time teavel to the future so I can play these games that have sold insane numbers and have lived up to their hype.  (seriously, you just lost all credibility)

 

Second, Splatoon 2 being a sequel to a new IP at the end of the WiiU generation, a failed console mind you, is a huge difference crom IPs that are over a decade old on the PS4.  (if you had not already lost credibility from point one, this would have finished the job).

 

I think we are done here lol.

Oh ok, so I guess I should add TLOU2 to the list of Sony’s upcoming new IPs then. XD

as to your other point I don’t need a time machine to know Sony’s upcoming games will be critically acclaimed and blockbusters. I have seen their footage and they all look sure shot winners. Days Gone is probably the only one that’s questionable and even that looks like it’ll manage a mid 80s metascore and 5+ million sales while the likes of GoT, Death Stranding, Dreams, TLOU2 are sure to be 90+ titles.

i know that’s a hard concept to grasp for you since in Nintendo’s case to know if they’ll make a 90+ rated game is to ask whether it has Mario or Zelda in it, but Sony makes 90+ rated titles all the time without appealing to people’s fuzzy feelings of nostalgia.



BoseDK said:
Shiken said:

Ok first of all, you have to teach me how to time teavel to the future so I can play these games that have sold insane numbers and have lived up to their hype.  (seriously, you just lost all credibility)

 

Second, Splatoon 2 being a sequel to a new IP at the end of the WiiU generation, a failed console mind you, is a huge difference crom IPs that are over a decade old on the PS4.  (if you had not already lost credibility from point one, this would have finished the job).

 

I think we are done here lol.

Oh ok, so I guess I should add TLOU2 to the list of Sony’s upcoming new IPs then. XD

as to your other point I don’t need a time machine to know Sony’s upcoming games will be critically acclaimed and blockbusters. I have seen their footage and they all look sure shot winners. Days Gone is probably the only one that’s questionable and even that looks like it’ll manage a mid 80s metascore and 5+ million sales while the likes of GoT, Death Stranding, Dreams, TLOU2 are sure to be 90+ titles.

i know that’s a hard concept to grasp for you since in Nintendo’s case to know if they’ll make a 90+ rated game is to ask whether it has Mario or Zelda in it, but Sony makes 90+ rated titles all the time without appealing to people’s fuzzy feelings of nostalgia.

I know it is a hard concept for you to grasp, but a known IP can still deserve the scores it gets.  As someone who has played Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, and Xenoblade Chronicles 2...AS WELL AS...Uncharted 4, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn  and Bloodborne...I can tell you for a fact that all of those games from BOTH platforms are outstanding and fully deserve every bit of praise they have recieved.

 

But you would not know anything about that, would you?



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Shiken said:
BoseDK said:

Yes, not every Zelda game sells like those 3, and not every game with Mario in it sells great either, but the point I'm making is that only these old Nintendo IPs are able to get critical acclaim and sell huge numbers. Nintendo's devs just don't have what it takes to get results without nostalgia it seems.

Except they did get critical acclaim and sell huge numbers.  Splatoon 2 likely has a 50% attach rate when you factor in digital.  That is HUGE, and when Sony only had 20 mil consoles in the wild, it failed go come close to those numbers with any of their 1st party games.

He's not exactly right but he's not exactly wrong, either.

Let's imagine a Playstation platform without an IP more than two generations old.  Could they pull it off?  Yeah, probably.  

On the other hand, let's imagine a Nintendo platform without an IP more than two generations old.  Could they pull it off?  In terms of quality, probably.  In terms of sales, I have my doubts.  



pokoko said:
Shiken said:

Except they did get critical acclaim and sell huge numbers.  Splatoon 2 likely has a 50% attach rate when you factor in digital.  That is HUGE, and when Sony only had 20 mil consoles in the wild, it failed go come close to those numbers with any of their 1st party games.

He's not exactly right but he's not exactly wrong, either.

Let's imagine a Playstation platform without an IP more than two generations old.  Could they pull it off?  Yeah, probably.  

On the other hand, let's imagine a Nintendo platform without an IP more than two generations old.  Could they pull it off?  In terms of quality, probably.  In terms of sales, I have my doubts.  

Thing is, that is nothing but baseless assumption.  There are no facts to support that Nintendo would not be able to pull it off.

 

There are two factors to consider however.  At one point in time, those old IPs were new IPs.  They did it then, so they could do it again if need be.  The other is that no matter how you slice it, Nintendo makes good games.  These are the only facts we have.  Anything else is pure speculation most likely based on the opinion of the person making them, and not a reflection of fact.



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can't say that sony has a mascot at the moment....the only i have ever seen a sony mascot was crash bandicoot...



I don't think any of those characters come close to being a mascot. Drake is just a normal human - boring. Kratos just doesn't convey the message that one wants from a mascot. Ratchet & Clank have some good characteristics, but they just aren't significant characters in 2018. The others aren't even in the ballpark. Nobody knows who they are.

Spiderman - uhhh, Sony would love it if they could get people to associate Spidey with PS. But, he so predates PS that this idea is laughable.

As far as I'm concerned, PS doesn't have, and doesn't need a mascot. That doesn't mean there will never be one. But, there's nothing in the ballpark now, and there is no reason for Sony to try to create one at this point. If it happens, it will happen by accident, when some character (that has characteristics that Sony wants in a mascot) gains mainstream popularity.