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SuaveSocialist on 30 August 2018
Pemalite said:
As someone who is in the Emergency Services... It's not as simple as "Give more funding".

Trump cannot receive all the blame for the lack of a quality response, it's an issue that goes from top to bottom... From the training that personnel do every day, to the maintenance of vehicles and infrastructure, procurement of new tools, items, PPE... To even the more social side of things like advertising.

Which is precisely why I explained the current state of FEMA in the third-last paragraph, but it's Beloved Leader's responsibility to ensure that FEMA is properly staffed, trained, prepared, and equipped.  He has clearly fallen short of that minimum standard by a wide margin.

 

That's part of Beloved Leader's actual job, so he should pull himself up by the bootstraps, take personal responsibility and do it already.  The warning signs were there when he dragged his ass in appointing the head of the Agency.

 

You will also note I never proposed "more funding", though I did point out that his very first instinct was to defund them in areas necessary for FEMA to live up to its role effectively.

 

Fake leadership.



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SuaveSocialist on 30 August 2018
vivster said:
1. Dude. You need to spread these out a bit more or else someone might think you have an agenda.

2. Also, using "Dotard" is extremely offensive to all the actually Donaldly challenged people.

1. If they are suspicious of verifiable evidence, logic and reason, that's their problem.  Besides, my avatar has a giant, Socialist jalapeno, so I clearly don't care if anyone suspects an agenda.

Look at the jalapeno!

LOOK AT IT!

 

2. OMG. PC police.  :P



Pemalite on 30 August 2018
SuaveSocialist said:
Pemalite said:
As someone who is in the Emergency Services... It's not as simple as "Give more funding".

Trump cannot receive all the blame for the lack of a quality response, it's an issue that goes from top to bottom... From the training that personnel do every day, to the maintenance of vehicles and infrastructure, procurement of new tools, items, PPE... To even the more social side of things like advertising.

Which is precisely why I explained the current state of FEMA in the third-last paragraph, but it's Beloved Leader's responsibility to ensure that FEMA is properly staffed, trained, prepared, and equipped.  He has clearly fallen short of that minimum standard by a wide margin.

 

That's part of Beloved Leader's actual job, so he should pull himself up by the bootstraps, take personal responsibility and do it already.  The warning signs were there when he dragged his ass in appointing the head of the Agency.

 

You will also note I never proposed "more funding", though I did point out that his very first instinct was to defund them in areas necessary for FEMA to live up to its role effectively.

 

Fake leadership.

There is a ton of different levels of management... And sometimes things can take years to change for the better... And sometimes still it takes a (sadly) large catastrophic event for Emergency Services to work out where they fell short and how they could improve, that is regardless of the funding levels you have.

Trump doesn't actually manage the various rungs of Emergency services anymore than our Prime Minister does here, things have simply fallen short at every level over in the USA, which is sad to see.
Even over here we don't always get things right, but we most certainly do learn from it and get better at our jobs for next time.

With that in mind, Trump is far removed from being my favorite person... I am just speaking from my own lived experience that not all the blame can be placed on a singular person, it takes lots of small mistakes to result in a colossal clusterfuck like what has occurred.

And after the fires in California... And now this, I think the USA needs to sit back and take a good long hard look at it's emergency services from top to bottom. - It is literally peoples lives at risk here.



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vivster on 30 August 2018

Apparently you are wrong.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/29/politics/trump-puerto-rico-fantastic/index.html



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SuaveSocialist on 30 August 2018
Pemalite said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Which is precisely why I explained the current state of FEMA in the third-last paragraph, but it's Beloved Leader's responsibility to ensure that FEMA is properly staffed, trained, prepared, and equipped.  He has clearly fallen short of that minimum standard by a wide margin.

 

That's part of Beloved Leader's actual job, so he should pull himself up by the bootstraps, take personal responsibility and do it already.  The warning signs were there when he dragged his ass in appointing the head of the Agency.

 

You will also note I never proposed "more funding", though I did point out that his very first instinct was to defund them in areas necessary for FEMA to live up to its role effectively.

 

Fake leadership.

1. There is a ton of different levels of management... And sometimes things can take years to change for the better...

2. Beloved Leader doesn't actually manage the various rungs of Emergency services

1. Beloved Leader is accountable for the top level of management (he actually appointed FEMA's director), and FEMA was credited as "efficient" and "effective" under the Obama Administration.  It did not take ol' 44 long to turn the Agency around, and it did not take Beloved Leader long to let it fall from grace.

2. But he IS responsible for overseeing FEMA in particular, including the appointment of senior positions (trickle-down incompetence is entirely on him), funding (deciding their basic ability to respond),  helping co-ordinate large-scale disaster response, etc.

Besides...Beloved Leader saw fit to personally claim responsibility for FEMA's performance with respect to Hurricane Maria, giving himself a "10 out of 10".  Whoopsie.



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numberwang on 30 August 2018

Puerto Rico is the role model of socialists/social democrats for the rest of the Union. A semi-corrupt and mismanaged state that Bernie liked to praise so much. The political elites live comfortably putting aside their share while the people are suffering.

Puerto Rico mayor, two others arrested on corruption charges

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/puerto-rico-mayor-two-others-arrested-on-corruption-charges/

In Puerto Rico, Containers Full Of Goods Sit Undistributed At Ports

https://choice.npr.org/index.html?origin=https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/28/554297787/puerto-rico-relief-goods-sit-undistributed-at-ports

Administration of Trump-bashing Puerto Rican mayor reportedly facing FBI corruption probe

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/18/trump-bashing-puerto-rican-mayor-reportedly-facing-fbi-corruption-probe.html

‘Inept’ Puerto Rican government ‘riddled with corruption’: CEO

https://nypost.com/2017/09/30/inept-puerto-rican-government-riddled-with-corruption-ceo/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Z01o4tBlI

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SammyGiireal on 30 August 2018
numberwang said:

Puerto Rico is the role model of socialists/social democrats for the rest of the Union. A semi-corrupt and mismanaged state that Bernie liked to praise so much. The political elites live comfortably putting aside their share while the people are suffering.

Puerto Rico mayor, two others arrested on corruption charges

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/puerto-rico-mayor-two-others-arrested-on-corruption-charges/

In Puerto Rico, Containers Full Of Goods Sit Undistributed At Ports

https://choice.npr.org/index.html?origin=https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/28/554297787/puerto-rico-relief-goods-sit-undistributed-at-ports

Administration of Trump-bashing Puerto Rican mayor reportedly facing FBI corruption probe

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/18/trump-bashing-puerto-rican-mayor-reportedly-facing-fbi-corruption-probe.html

‘Inept’ Puerto Rican government ‘riddled with corruption’: CEO

https://nypost.com/2017/09/30/inept-puerto-rican-government-riddled-with-corruption-ceo/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Z01o4tBlI

Finally the truth



o_O.Q on 30 August 2018

it still amazes me to see socialists attacking what they perceive to be improper leadership while still pushing their ideas as some incontestable truth
... i mean don't they see how the two connect?



Aeolus451 on 30 August 2018
SammyGiireal said:

I live in Puerto Rico and went through the whole Maria ordeal. If anyone is to blame that someone is our own corrupt government. They were the ones hiding the true numbers. Everyone knows someone who died from causes related to the hurricane on the island, the local government death toll was a joke. Trump is not my cup of tea but Puerto Rico's current state of affairs (crime, poverty, bad health services etc.) Is entirely on our own government.

Thanks for posting that. 



Pemalite on 30 August 2018
SuaveSocialist said:
Pemalite said:

1. There is a ton of different levels of management... And sometimes things can take years to change for the better...

2. Beloved Leader doesn't actually manage the various rungs of Emergency services

1. Beloved Leader is accountable for the top level of management (he actually appointed FEMA's director), and FEMA was credited as "efficient" and "effective" under the Obama Administration.  It did not take ol' 44 long to turn the Agency around, and it did not take Beloved Leader long to let it fall from grace.

2. But he IS responsible for overseeing FEMA in particular, including the appointment of senior positions (trickle-down incompetence is entirely on him), funding (deciding their basic ability to respond),  helping co-ordinate large-scale disaster response, etc.

Besides...Beloved Leader saw fit to personally claim responsibility for FEMA's performance with respect to Hurricane Maria, giving himself a "10 out of 10".  Whoopsie.

I would appreciate that when you quote from me, you leave my original quote intact, otherwise I simply cannot take you seriously.

As for the rest of your post, I have already put my rebuttal up prior and it seems you are just rehashing your prior position...
Remember, I work in multiple Emergency Services Organizations, so I am speaking from experience on how little influence the leader-of-a-country has on Emergency Services outside of funding impacts.
And it seems you disagree with that, so what is your credentials?



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