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Drakrami said:
DonFerrari said:
Considering the attach ratio is quite similar and that they made the kinect that is hard to consider true. Would like him to provide sources.

didnt you read? He is basing it on his own friend's list lol. 

He is basically a VGC user then, of the type that believe the plural of anecdote is statistic/data =p



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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I skipped the Xbox one after having owned both the OG Xbox and the 360. I was a huge Halo and Gears fan with Reach actually being my favorite game in tte Halo series. Halo 4 sort of lost me. Microsoft's big blunder at E3 before launch and PS3's strong final run with Uncharted 3 and the Last of Us swayed me over to the other side.

I was going to get an Xbox One S  late last year just to play Halo 5 and Gears 4 but the metacritic scores for Halo 5 and my obsession with Zelda swayed me towards a Switch purchase. Perhaps this year on Christmas I can get a good deal on the Xbox One S. The point is I am not a casual gamer even with my limited time to play these days, Xbox just hasn't provided a compelling reason for me to invest money on one of their consoles. That's the most rational explanation for their small user base.

Most Xbox One owners that I know are truly Hardcore Xbox fans. One pretty much has to be, the PS4 was the more powerful system at Launch with the greater library of exclusives so only the Hardcore stuck by Microsoft during those days. So there is truth to MS PR statement.



Drakrami said:
DonFerrari said:
Considering the attach ratio is quite similar and that they made the kinect that is hard to consider true. Would like him to provide sources.

didnt you read? He is basing it on his own friend's list lol. 

Why is their spin always so damn cringe worthy?



You can see what he means if you look at the userbase at cod ww2 the xbox is having a 50% hardware base but the players numbers are 75% of what the ps4 is having and we have the same in bf1 or star wars bf 2, if you see that the xbox also is having a big console exclusive online community with GoW 4, Halo 5, PuBG and forza motorsport or forza horizon i can only say i know what he mean.



Jigsawx1 said:
You can see what he means if you look at the userbase at cod ww2 the xbox is having a 50% hardware base but the players numbers are 75% of what the ps4 is having and we have the same in bf1 or star wars bf 2, if you see that the xbox also is having a big console exclusive online community with GoW 4, Halo 5, PuBG and forza motorsport or forza horizon i can only say i know what he mean.

Depends what you mean by hardcore. If multiplayer shooters are the only facet of hardcore gaming then maybe.



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Jigsawx1 said:
You can see what he means if you look at the userbase at cod ww2 the xbox is having a 50% hardware base but the players numbers are 75% of what the ps4 is having and we have the same in bf1 or star wars bf 2, if you see that the xbox also is having a big console exclusive online community with GoW 4, Halo 5, PuBG and forza motorsport or forza horizon i can only say i know what he mean.

When you focus on games that sell more in USA and UK, where Xbox is very near the size of PS4 you already lose this attach ratio argument.

When you torture numbers as their PR does, it will tell anything you want.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Jigsawx1 said:
You can see what he means if you look at the userbase at cod ww2 the xbox is having a 50% hardware base but the players numbers are 75% of what the ps4 is having and we have the same in bf1 or star wars bf 2, if you see that the xbox also is having a big console exclusive online community with GoW 4, Halo 5, PuBG and forza motorsport or forza horizon i can only say i know what he mean.

When you focus on games that sell more in USA and UK, where Xbox is very near the size of PS4 you already lose this attach ratio argument.

When you torture numbers as their PR does, it will tell anything you want.

I focus on the big AAA and in europe the box is only having at around 40% of the hardware, so there you loose your argument again.

So yes xbox gamers buy more games have a higher ratio of getting the online abo and their much more in Online games and esport. This is something that is the same like 2001nothing has changed between the ps2 and ps4 era



Jigsawx1 said:
DonFerrari said:

When you focus on games that sell more in USA and UK, where Xbox is very near the size of PS4 you already lose this attach ratio argument.

When you torture numbers as their PR does, it will tell anything you want.

I focus on the big AAA and in europe the box is only having at around 40% of the hardware, so there you loose your argument again.

So yes xbox gamers buy more games have a higher ratio of getting the online abo and their much more in Online games and esport. This is something that is the same like 2001nothing has changed between the ps2 and ps4 era

The games you listed were all FPS ¬¬"

And if I were you I would also remove FM from your list since it have dropped in sales every release even with increased userbase along the gen.

Weren't you the one that claimed X1X would make Xbox pass PS in sales?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Jigsawx1 said:

I focus on the big AAA and in europe the box is only having at around 40% of the hardware, so there you loose your argument again.

So yes xbox gamers buy more games have a higher ratio of getting the online abo and their much more in Online games and esport. This is something that is the same like 2001nothing has changed between the ps2 and ps4 era

The games you listed were all FPS ¬¬"   ---->NO

And if I were you I would also remove FM from your list since it have dropped in sales every release even with increased userbase along the gen. --->  NO , so only fps right?

Weren't you the one that claimed X1X would make Xbox pass PS in sales? ---> NO again

Forza Motorpsort is a racing Game fron Mircosoft Studiosand turn 10! And a source for the dropping retail/digital sales?

Weren't you the one that fail with every post?



Jigsawx1 said:
DonFerrari said:

The games you listed were all FPS ¬¬"   ---->NO

And if I were you I would also remove FM from your list since it have dropped in sales every release even with increased userbase along the gen. --->  NO , so only fps right?

Weren't you the one that claimed X1X would make Xbox pass PS in sales? ---> NO again

Forza Motorpsort is a racing Game fron Mircosoft Studiosand turn 10! And a source for the dropping retail/digital sales?

Weren't you the one that fail with every post?

You can see what he means if you look at the userbase at cod ww2 the xbox is having a 50% hardware base but the players numbers are 75% of what the ps4 is having and we have the same in bf1 or star wars bf 2, if you see that the xbox - ALL FPS. Unless you want to compare attach ratio among platforms of exclusives, which makes 0 sense since they will be 0 for the ones where it doesn't release. But please show me how those games aren't shooters.

Look at VGC numbers, how much the sales have dropped from FM5 to 6 and 7. That is the evidence we have. If you have anything proving the opposite please present.

Nope, not failing at posts.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."