Aeolus451 said:
Any responsible gun owner will teach gun safety to their kids.
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Yes that is why the US is the only country in the world where kids, under the age of 4, have killed more people using guns than terrorist have killed US citizens. A world leader! No. 1. USA, USA, USA!! You must be so proud of how responsible gun owners are teaching toddlers to shoot responsibly. Let the Denver post explain it to you - https://www.denverpost.com/2017/09/30/toddler-shootings-guns/
Aeolus451 said:
If you actually want to reduce the vast majority of murders, illegal drugs/guns and reduce overall crime, go after the gangs and wipe them out. If you want to decrease the amount of mass shootings as it's commonly known and limit the damage when they do happen, use the relatively appropriate amount of armed security at likely targets. It discourages attempts and there's trained people available to deal with it when it happens. If it doesn't work then why do celebrities have armies of them and are rarely ever attacked even though there's plenty of crazies that are obsessed with them out there? Trump is still alive because of security. These options wouldn't take long to implement, don't violate people's rights, have no chance of being tied up in decades of litigation, has a real shot at working and they net alot better positives for everyone.
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Actual facts don't back up your assertions with regard to gang crime. It is a drop in the ocean compared to suicide and relationship related gun deaths.
In 2011, there were 1,824 gang-related killings in 2011, which includes deaths by means other than a gun. In comparison, there were 11,101 homicides and 19,766 suicides committed with firearms in 2011. So ONLY 10% of the murders in 2011 were committed by gangs. So unless there has been a MASSIVE shift in gang related murders since 2011, I'd say shutting down gang related crime is just a red herring to divert away from the bigger issue of guns in "normal" citizens hands.
Suicide is the highest gun related death, see figure above. Using a gun you have a 96%+ chance of dying from the wound. If you try to stab/cut yourself you have a 5% chance of dying. Guns make killing yourself or others easier. Hence why the suggestion of removing/reducing guns = harder to kill others or yourself.
57 percent of mass shootings between 2009 and July 2015 in the US, the shooter targeted a family member or an intimate partner. So your idea of policing certain targets wouldn't work in the majority of cases. Unless you are you proposing each member of your family should think about getting security, because you are a gun owner, that could have a bad day and take it out on someone close to you, according to the stats above. So every gun owning family would need protection from each other!! I'd say that is impractical or do you still think it is feasible?
Last edited by CartBlanche - on 31 August 2018