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Does the inclusion of women in BFV bother you?

Yes 15 22.06%
 
No 53 77.94%
 
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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Ellie was always a lesbian, she grows up , she kisses another girl, how the fuck is this forced ?

The only thing forced in it is when seeing what the director talked about making these decisions and giving ears to Sarkeesian



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Medisti said:

Thanks for linking those. It's been awhile since that happened, so I wasn't sure where to check.

Here's an article on the EA thing, though: https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/397147-ea-on-battlefield-5-controversy-if-you-dont-like-it-dont-buy-it

No problem. 

As for the article, I really dislike the author's take on it.  Using the same strawman everyone who supports this agenda is using.  "Why do you hate women?"

DonFerrari said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Ellie was always a lesbian, she grows up , she kisses another girl, how the fuck is this forced ?

The only thing forced in it is when seeing what the director talked about making these decisions and giving ears to Sarkeesian

Yea, after I heard about that, I was done with ND.  The kiss itself seemed a little forced, but it wasn't that big a deal.  No, the big deal is what is happening behind the scenes.  Embracing SJWs is a definite way to get your hand removed from my pocket.  They even fired a women, Amy Henning, who, as far as I can see, isn't real big into the SJW movement.

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thismeintiel said:
Medisti said:

Thanks for linking those. It's been awhile since that happened, so I wasn't sure where to check.

Here's an article on the EA thing, though: https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/397147-ea-on-battlefield-5-controversy-if-you-dont-like-it-dont-buy-it

No problem. 

As for the article, I really dislike the author's take on it.  Using the same strawman everyone who supports this agenda is using.  "Why do you hate women?"

DonFerrari said:

The only thing forced in it is when seeing what the director talked about making these decisions and giving ears to Sarkeesian

Yea, after I heard about that, I was done with ND.  The kiss itself seemed a little forced, but it wasn't that big a deal.  No, the big deal is what is happening behind the scenes.  Embracing SJWs is a definite way to get your hand out of my pocket.  They even fired a women, Amy Henning, who, as far as I can see, isn't real big into the SJW movement.

Naughty Dog is treading in very dangerous water and my lose my service if they lose their balance. The lesbian DLC of TLOU wasn't a problem for me nor the trailer for TLOU2. Neither I bothered much with the Lost Legacy sismance and changing the chars to bissexual. If Druckman keeps just the basics in mind as he said from Sarkeesian, that he can explore more diverse cast and make histories where they fit, I won't see much problem, but if he pushes the wrong way that will be problem.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
thismeintiel said:

No problem. 

As for the article, I really dislike the author's take on it.  Using the same strawman everyone who supports this agenda is using.  "Why do you hate women?"

Yea, after I heard about that, I was done with ND.  The kiss itself seemed a little forced, but it wasn't that big a deal.  No, the big deal is what is happening behind the scenes.  Embracing SJWs is a definite way to get your hand out of my pocket.  They even fired a women, Amy Henning, who, as far as I can see, isn't real big into the SJW movement.

Naughty Dog is treading in very dangerous water and my lose my service if they lose their balance. The lesbian DLC of TLOU wasn't a problem for me nor the trailer for TLOU2. Neither I bothered much with the Lost Legacy sismance and changing the chars to bissexual. If Druckman keeps just the basics in mind as he said from Sarkeesian, that he can explore more diverse cast and make histories where they fit, I won't see much problem, but if he pushes the wrong way that will be problem.

It does kind of bug me how disproportionate LGBT is reflected. Some devs would make you think everyone is bisexual, when it's closer to like 15-20% last I heard. But that's nothing to get a fit and boycott anything over. Just kind of odd. Their typical "if you don't like it, you're a bigot" response sure is, though.

I played the DLC for LoU1. I already knew Elle was gay and had no problem with it, nor did I care about the kiss in the trailer. But, the "bigots" you're rallying against aren't trying to sell me something. They can act out all they like and I'll just refuse to associate myself with them. But, if you stoop to their level, I'm not going to buy your product. Plain and simple. I don't want involved in that drama on one side or the other.



This whole catch phrase is just a way of ignorant, insecure and narrow minded people to distance themselves from what they don’t understand. It’s in the same league as libtard, leftist, or other meaningless catch words to discribe modern, non-Neanderthal people.



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Medisti said:
DonFerrari said:

Naughty Dog is treading in very dangerous water and my lose my service if they lose their balance. The lesbian DLC of TLOU wasn't a problem for me nor the trailer for TLOU2. Neither I bothered much with the Lost Legacy sismance and changing the chars to bissexual. If Druckman keeps just the basics in mind as he said from Sarkeesian, that he can explore more diverse cast and make histories where they fit, I won't see much problem, but if he pushes the wrong way that will be problem.

It does kind of bug me how disproportionate LGBT is reflected. Some devs would make you think everyone is bisexual, when it's closer to like 15-20% last I heard. But that's nothing to get a fit and boycott anything over. Just kind of odd. Their typical "if you don't like it, you're a bigot" response sure is, though.

I played the DLC for LoU1. I already knew Elle was gay and had no problem with it, nor did I care about the kiss in the trailer. But, the "bigots" you're rallying against aren't trying to sell me something. They can act out all they like and I'll just refuse to associate myself with them. But, if you stoop to their level, I'm not going to buy your product. Plain and simple. I don't want involved in that drama on one side or the other.

Well I heard 10% at most, but even if every game have someone of the comunity I wouldn't bother as well. But mostly unless a romantical relationship is relevant to the story I rather they don't even portray so you won't even no if most of the cast is straight or not, it's basically on your perception. And funny on that is that the SJW group is against prejudice and labels, but for the LGBTQI+ groups in games they want the char to be clearly that on looks and behaviour. Which is odd, at least most of my friends who aren't straight you would only know if you have a good and close relationship, because on the street, bar, restaurant, etc they would be just like any regular folk.

Agreed on the second paragraph... the dlcalready had a kiss. But the DLC was more open to interpretation that were they close friends and at that harsh moment they experimented (as is common even on natural situation, in stress that is heightened) or if she was already assumed to herself to be lesbian (not that it even matter as well). But LL was more bizarre (even more because it was off screen that someone decided to say that outside of the game Nadine and the other had a relationship).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Medisti said:

It does kind of bug me how disproportionate LGBT is reflected. Some devs would make you think everyone is bisexual, when it's closer to like 15-20% last I heard. But that's nothing to get a fit and boycott anything over. Just kind of odd. Their typical "if you don't like it, you're a bigot" response sure is, though.

I played the DLC for LoU1. I already knew Elle was gay and had no problem with it, nor did I care about the kiss in the trailer. But, the "bigots" you're rallying against aren't trying to sell me something. They can act out all they like and I'll just refuse to associate myself with them. But, if you stoop to their level, I'm not going to buy your product. Plain and simple. I don't want involved in that drama on one side or the other.

Well I heard 10% at most, but even if every game have someone of the comunity I wouldn't bother as well. But mostly unless a romantical relationship is relevant to the story I rather they don't even portray so you won't even no if most of the cast is straight or not, it's basically on your perception. And funny on that is that the SJW group is against prejudice and labels, but for the LGBTQI+ groups in games they want the char to be clearly that on looks and behaviour. Which is odd, at least most of my friends who aren't straight you would only know if you have a good and close relationship, because on the street, bar, restaurant, etc they would be just like any regular folk.

Agreed on the second paragraph... the dlcalready had a kiss. But the DLC was more open to interpretation that were they close friends and at that harsh moment they experimented (as is common even on natural situation, in stress that is heightened) or if she was already assumed to herself to be lesbian (not that it even matter as well). But LL was more bizarre (even more because it was off screen that someone decided to say that outside of the game Nadine and the other had a relationship).

I have one gay friend who would quality as "flaming." You can tell the second he opens his mouth that he's the stereotypical gay. But I do know some others and none of them act in any way that would suggest it, if you didn't know they were dating someone of the same sex. I am glad I've gotten away from the stereotype of how gay people "act" for most characters, but the shoehorning of their sexuality into situations that don't need it is harmful to the story and worse, feels like pandering.



Medisti said:
DonFerrari said:

Well I heard 10% at most, but even if every game have someone of the comunity I wouldn't bother as well. But mostly unless a romantical relationship is relevant to the story I rather they don't even portray so you won't even no if most of the cast is straight or not, it's basically on your perception. And funny on that is that the SJW group is against prejudice and labels, but for the LGBTQI+ groups in games they want the char to be clearly that on looks and behaviour. Which is odd, at least most of my friends who aren't straight you would only know if you have a good and close relationship, because on the street, bar, restaurant, etc they would be just like any regular folk.

Agreed on the second paragraph... the dlcalready had a kiss. But the DLC was more open to interpretation that were they close friends and at that harsh moment they experimented (as is common even on natural situation, in stress that is heightened) or if she was already assumed to herself to be lesbian (not that it even matter as well). But LL was more bizarre (even more because it was off screen that someone decided to say that outside of the game Nadine and the other had a relationship).

I have one gay friend who would quality as "flaming." You can tell the second he opens his mouth that he's the stereotypical gay. But I do know some others and none of them act in any way that would suggest it, if you didn't know they were dating someone of the same sex. I am glad I've gotten away from the stereotype of how gay people "act" for most characters, but the shoehorning of their sexuality into situations that don't need it is harmful to the story and worse, feels like pandering.

Even worse, it is against the idea that gay people are regular people. If you have to shoehorn and shove in the face then you are losing your point even before starting.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Medisti said:

I have one gay friend who would quality as "flaming." You can tell the second he opens his mouth that he's the stereotypical gay. But I do know some others and none of them act in any way that would suggest it, if you didn't know they were dating someone of the same sex. I am glad I've gotten away from the stereotype of how gay people "act" for most characters, but the shoehorning of their sexuality into situations that don't need it is harmful to the story and worse, feels like pandering.

Even worse, it is against the idea that gay people are regular people. If you have to shoehorn and shove in the face then you are losing your point even before starting.

Being gay is their main, defining personality trait, and all of their interests and thoughts revolve around their sexuality, right?

Oh wait, no. They're normal people who happen to have a difference of preference on one particular thing. Silly me.



Mainly just taking historical events or established characters, and altering them in the name of being more inclusive. If a developer wants to make a game staring a gay black transgender female, that’s cool; just make her an original character, and do it because she just seems to fit the game’s narrative and genre. For example, Don’t make a Batman game, and have her replace Bruce Wayne.



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