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Will BF5 Fiasco scare other companies from pushing agendas in games?

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Shadow1980 said:

Yeah. That'll teach companies to not put in a protag that isn't a white hetero cis male.

In all seriousness, I cannot understand the mental process going on when someone looks at a trailer for an action game, sees a woman as a protagonist (at least where they feel one should not be), and has an absolute total freak out and expresses a deep-seated "need" to bitch about it on the internet and threaten (or actually go through with) a boycott. So Battlefield V won't be a total sausage-fest. So what? "It's not realistic?" Again, so what? It's a video game. You fucking play it. Y'know, to have fun. You can't have fun because your WW2 shooter has a woman? Why? What's your malfunction? Video games are only superficially realistic, and they have to be because they wouldn't be fun. If we really wanted it to be realistic, why not ensure every bit of tech is absolutely period accurate to the day and functions exactly as it did in real life (including all the jams, breaks, limited ammo, no half-mag reloads, etc. And while we're at it, why not have realistic injuries and permadeath as features to really ramp up the tension of potentially getting mowed down by MG42 fire two seconds after the boat ramps come down on Normandy? Maybe disease and hours of marching and non-combat activities to give it that added touch of authenticity.

But I honestly doubt that "realism" was the driving force of the complaints. 18 years ago EA put a woman front and center in a WW2 game:

And we didn't hear a fucking peep. Then again, this was before social media, before the onslaught of manchildren that was Gamergate, before every wingnut on the internet decided to openly and loudly scream "ESS JAY DOUBLE-U!" at everything that offended their warped and fragile sensibilities. I've read the comments on Youtube and elsewhere in the months since the reveal. The whole "muh historical accuracy" is a smokescreen. And the whole "Well, that EA rep said such and such" thing, well, he wouldn't have said anything had the usual suspects kept their traps shut and not had a rage fit. Honestly, I wish everybody left, right, and center would learn to just shut the hell up and learn to enjoy a game, movie, etc., based on its quality. Is the gameplay and story good? Then shut up and play it. Seriously, it's shit like this that makes me wish the internet wasn't a thing.

But weren't woman part of the underground movement in ww2? 

 

My issue is they've come up with a bs remaining of WW2. It's not just the heavy focus on woman. It's the robot arms and stupid costumes. Are we playing Battlefield or dishonored 3?

 

I'd prefer no woman in this unless a part focuses on resistant fighters. Am I against woman? No. I think it's stupid their games like bf4 and hard line etc online have no focus on woman. It annoys me that they don't buy ww2 does. EA are a shit show right now. Fucked up mass effect, titanfall, Battlefield and battlefront. Can this company do no right? 



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Nope, they never learn. They will blame it on the mysognistic patriarch and try again and again if movies or comics is anything to go by.

From my part I'll keep ignoring and avoiding. If the political agenda is well done or make a good game/series (I watch some that 90% of the time are fine, while I have to do lalalalala on the 10%) I will buy, if it is overboard, forced or make the game worse then I won't buy. ND is threading on a very thin line for me.



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Aeolus451 said:
collint0101 said:
I encounter way more anti sjws than I encounter actual sjws. Jesus Christ people do you not see the irony in this? Threads like this are just as whiny and annoying as watching a group of hardcore feminist go on about mansplaining on Tumblr. It's the exact same kind of self righteous bitching and moaning and expecting the entire planet to cave into your narrow minded viewpoint

I can't argue with that first sentence but the rest is meh. SJWs like to appropriate popular culture and entertainment then inject their agenda into it. They also like to dictate how everyone is supposed to act. If you don't comply then you're a racist, sexist, ect. Anti-sjws are a reaction to this. It turns out that appropriating someone's hobby or favorite IPs then fundamentally changing it so they incorporate their political message then virtue signal to non-consumer sjws is the best way to piss people off. Every time they hijack a film or something similar, it turns the fanbase into anti-sjws. There's nothing self-righteous about wanting to be left alone. If sjws would just cut that shit, no one would care what they did or said.

But there is something self righteous about getting your panties in a twist every time someone mentions women or minorities. Battlefield is a bad example because ea went about handling the controversy in the worst way possible alongside simply being a scummy company all together but that same excuse doesn't apply to people complaining about Ellie being gay in tLoU or people complaining about miles Morales being in the new Spiderman game. Complaining about there being too many minorites a game is just as annoying and whiny as complaining about there not being enough. 



Kerotan said:
Shadow1980 said:

Yeah. That'll teach companies to not put in a protag that isn't a white hetero cis male.

In all seriousness, I cannot understand the mental process going on when someone looks at a trailer for an action game, sees a woman as a protagonist (at least where they feel one should not be), and has an absolute total freak out and expresses a deep-seated "need" to bitch about it on the internet and threaten (or actually go through with) a boycott. So Battlefield V won't be a total sausage-fest. So what? "It's not realistic?" Again, so what? It's a video game. You fucking play it. Y'know, to have fun. You can't have fun because your WW2 shooter has a woman? Why? What's your malfunction? Video games are only superficially realistic, and they have to be because they wouldn't be fun. If we really wanted it to be realistic, why not ensure every bit of tech is absolutely period accurate to the day and functions exactly as it did in real life (including all the jams, breaks, limited ammo, no half-mag reloads, etc. And while we're at it, why not have realistic injuries and permadeath as features to really ramp up the tension of potentially getting mowed down by MG42 fire two seconds after the boat ramps come down on Normandy? Maybe disease and hours of marching and non-combat activities to give it that added touch of authenticity.

But I honestly doubt that "realism" was the driving force of the complaints. 18 years ago EA put a woman front and center in a WW2 game:

And we didn't hear a fucking peep. Then again, this was before social media, before the onslaught of manchildren that was Gamergate, before every wingnut on the internet decided to openly and loudly scream "ESS JAY DOUBLE-U!" at everything that offended their warped and fragile sensibilities. I've read the comments on Youtube and elsewhere in the months since the reveal. The whole "muh historical accuracy" is a smokescreen. And the whole "Well, that EA rep said such and such" thing, well, he wouldn't have said anything had the usual suspects kept their traps shut and not had a rage fit. Honestly, I wish everybody left, right, and center would learn to just shut the hell up and learn to enjoy a game, movie, etc., based on its quality. Is the gameplay and story good? Then shut up and play it. Seriously, it's shit like this that makes me wish the internet wasn't a thing.

But weren't woman part of the underground movement in ww2? 

 

My issue is they've come up with a bs remaining of WW2. It's not just the heavy focus on woman. It's the robot arms and stupid costumes. Are we playing Battlefield or dishonored 3?

 

I'd prefer no woman in this unless a part focuses on resistant fighters. Am I against woman? No. I think it's stupid their games like bf4 and hard line etc online have no focus on woman. It annoys me that they don't buy ww2 does. EA are a shit show right now. Fucked up mass effect, titanfall, Battlefield and battlefront. Can this company do no right? 

Mass Effect Andromeda was pretty great actually. If they didnt screw up the facial animations in the beginning it would have been far better received.



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collint0101 said:
Aeolus451 said:

I can't argue with that first sentence but the rest is meh. SJWs like to appropriate popular culture and entertainment then inject their agenda into it. They also like to dictate how everyone is supposed to act. If you don't comply then you're a racist, sexist, ect. Anti-sjws are a reaction to this. It turns out that appropriating someone's hobby or favorite IPs then fundamentally changing it so they incorporate their political message then virtue signal to non-consumer sjws is the best way to piss people off. Every time they hijack a film or something similar, it turns the fanbase into anti-sjws. There's nothing self-righteous about wanting to be left alone. If sjws would just cut that shit, no one would care what they did or said.

But there is something self righteous about getting your panties in a twist every time someone mentions women or minorities. Battlefield is a bad example because ea went about handling the controversy in the worst way possible alongside simply being a scummy company all together but that same excuse doesn't apply to people complaining about Ellie being gay in tLoU or people complaining about miles Morales being in the new Spiderman game. Complaining about there being too many minorites a game is just as annoying and whiny as complaining about there not being enough. 

Why? We complain because its agenda driven. Minorities have always existed in the US, but they were never as dominant in media a they are now. There's a reason for that, and that's a political diversity agenda that has swept up Hollywood. If a character has always been a minority or is a new character that happens to be a minority, that's different than writers/producers specifically having minority quotas or injecting minorities in to media for the explicit purpose of diversity. It's not happening by chance. It's the agenda we're against, the manipulation of society.



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contestgamer said:
collint0101 said:

But there is something self righteous about getting your panties in a twist every time someone mentions women or minorities. Battlefield is a bad example because ea went about handling the controversy in the worst way possible alongside simply being a scummy company all together but that same excuse doesn't apply to people complaining about Ellie being gay in tLoU or people complaining about miles Morales being in the new Spiderman game. Complaining about there being too many minorites a game is just as annoying and whiny as complaining about there not being enough. 

Why? We complain because its agenda driven. Minorities have always existed in the US, but they were never as dominant in media a they are now. There's a reason for that, and that's a political diversity agenda that has swept up Hollywood. If a character has always been a minority or is a new character that happens to be a minority, that's different than writers/producers specifically having minority quotas or injecting minorities in to media for the explicit purpose of diversity. It's not happening by chance. It's the agenda we're against, the manipulation of society.

The problem is you people assume that every female or minority character is a part of this agenda like no one black or gay or female can be a worthwhile inclusion. That's why people keep thinking you guys are biggots or racist because all you do is complain about how many minorities there are in video games and movies. There are bad examples of how to include there characters I will never deny that but all you're doing is assuming that the inclusion of anyone that's not a straight white guy is because of some agenda like you have to have some additional motive to go against the norm



KrspaceT said:
...Problem is that if you don't want 'woman in my Man game', there are dozens of other games than Battlefield with female protagonists to contend with. Lest you forget that last year had mega hits like Horizon and Splatoon 2 that prominently feature female characters, and you have plenty of more of those this year and up and coming from Lara Croft to Samus Aran.

Funny how you bring up Splatoon 2, I'm currently addicted to it.

And yet, I loathe BFV and EA's handling of what was a great property. SJW pandering may not be the only reason gamers are passing on it, but you can't argue it's not one of them.

This is a fundamental flaw of this argument: everyone's trying to lump anyone who doesn't preorder BV5 as a ___________.

"You're a conservative that touches him/herself to Doom Eternal!"
"You're a misogynist who hates Horizon Zero Dawn!"
"You're a snowflake who needs to stay off the internet!"

It's astounding how much these individuals sound like and use the same rhetoric as these SJWs that, according to them, don't exist or are vastly outnumbered by anti-SJWs!

Can you honestly not see the irony? EA comes out and makes a sweeping generalization about anyone making complaints about BFV. You're doing the same thing as EA!

As it stands, you only confirm my choice to pass on what is looking to be a terrible game from a terrible publisher.

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collint0101 said:
contestgamer said:

Why? We complain because its agenda driven. Minorities have always existed in the US, but they were never as dominant in media a they are now. There's a reason for that, and that's a political diversity agenda that has swept up Hollywood. If a character has always been a minority or is a new character that happens to be a minority, that's different than writers/producers specifically having minority quotas or injecting minorities in to media for the explicit purpose of diversity. It's not happening by chance. It's the agenda we're against, the manipulation of society.

The problem is you people assume that every female or minority character is a part of this agenda like no one black or gay or female can be a worthwhile inclusion. That's why people keep thinking you guys are biggots or racist because all you do is complain about how many minorities there are in video games and movies. There are bad examples of how to include there characters I will never deny that but all you're doing is assuming that the inclusion of anyone that's not a straight white guy is because of some agenda like you have to have some additional motive to go against the norm

It's not an accident that they're suddenly being included at a much greater number than in years and decades past. And producers/directors/actors/lobbyists are very vocal about their agenda to promote more inclusion and diversity in their media. It's an open secret. It is absolutely an agenda.



contestgamer said:
collint0101 said:

The problem is you people assume that every female or minority character is a part of this agenda like no one black or gay or female can be a worthwhile inclusion. That's why people keep thinking you guys are biggots or racist because all you do is complain about how many minorities there are in video games and movies. There are bad examples of how to include there characters I will never deny that but all you're doing is assuming that the inclusion of anyone that's not a straight white guy is because of some agenda like you have to have some additional motive to go against the norm

It's not an accident that they're suddenly being included at a much greater number than in years and decades past. And producers/directors/actors/lobbyists are very vocal about their agenda to promote more inclusion and diversity in their media. It's an open secret. It is absolutely an agenda.

Yeah it's not an accident because there are more minorities working in these industries and more minorities getting into stuff like gaming and "nerdier" hobbies and more minorities in general in regards to population and demographics. This isn't the 50s, it's going to get harder and harder and make less and less sense to create entertainment that it's 95% white. You can definitely push that to the point that it becomes a bad thing but the fact that there are more minorities in games and movies is just a result of there being minorities in general



collint0101 said:
contestgamer said:

It's not an accident that they're suddenly being included at a much greater number than in years and decades past. And producers/directors/actors/lobbyists are very vocal about their agenda to promote more inclusion and diversity in their media. It's an open secret. It is absolutely an agenda.

Yeah it's not an accident because there are more minorities working in these industries and more minorities getting into stuff like gaming and "nerdier" hobbies and more minorities in general in regards to population and demographics. This isn't the 50s, it's going to get harder and harder and make less and less sense to create entertainment that it's 95% white. You can definitely push that to the point that it becomes a bad thing but the fact that there are more minorities in games and movies is just a result of there being minorities in general

One of the reasons you have more minorities in these industries is due to leftist pressure to begin with. People were generally hiring friends, family and people in their circles. There has been a concentrated effort to break that system and force people to look outside their circles. The root changes are still agenda driven. But OK, one can see value there. However even once that demographic of entertainment people had shifted, there was a further agenda to ensure that representation translates to media they;re creating. Virtually all the media companies do require that casting agents hire at least a few minorities.