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Do you believe in any god?

Yes 63 36.21%
 
No 111 63.79%
 
Total:174

i don't believe, but i want to.



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WolfpackN64 said:
Flilix said:

Why didn't he make a better world, that works well for everything and everyone?

This will always circle. The most good world would be an unfree world, the best world is a free world, but which incorporates a neutral world and the possibility of evil. There are other conceptual problems with an exclusively good world (like the possibility of good without evil). In Daoism for example, the most Good world just wouldn't be possible without the negative aspects.

Please give me an idea of how a world where tornadoes don't kill people would be unfree.



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WolfpackN64 said:
Flilix said:

Why didn't he make a better world, that works well for everything and everyone?

This will always circle. The most good world would be an unfree world, the best world is a free world, but which incorporates a neutral world and the possibility of evil. There are other conceptual problems with an exclusively good world (like the possibility of good without evil). In Daoism for example, the most Good world just wouldn't be possible without the negative aspects.

It's indeed hard to imagine what the best world would be like, but for God that shouldn't be a problem. I can definitely think of some (minor) things that he could have done better, without any possible negative consequences.

Actually, why did he even bother to create a world? Why doesn't he just let us into his paradise immediately?



mZuzek said:
Poll is lacking a middle option. I don't really believe in God, not in the way any religion would explain it, but I can have my own beliefs, and those are usually based on how I'd personally like things to be. So while I don't have a particular stance on God, I definitely do have a particular stance on afterlife, because the scientific notion of "we just die" doesn't satisfy me, I'd rather believe in something better. That's usually how I roll.

The poll is not about God, it's about any god, not necessarily from a religion either. You can believe in an afterlife without a god too if you want.



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Yes because it statistically makes no sense to believe we do not have a Creator of some kind.



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Jesus Christ (Yeshua) is the Truth,the way and the life



mZuzek said:
Flilix said:

It's indeed hard to imagine what the best world would be like, but for God that shouldn't be a problem. I can definitely think of some (minor) things that he could have done better, without any possible negative consequences.

Actually, why did he even bother to create a world? Why doesn't he just let us into his paradise immediately?

Maybe he doesn't have a paradise. Maybe he doesn't care. Maybe he's not even entirely all-powerful and can only do things under certain restraints or conditions. And maybe, just maybe, he isn't a "he". The Bible explanation isn't the only possible belief one could have.

For example, what if God was just messing around and one day was like "I'm gonna make a planet, that'd be fun"? Then he made it, and then just left and went do something else. Everything that happened to our planet since would be left up to time, so evolution was still a natural process in the way we know it, maybe stuff like earthquakes and tornados are results of physics "engines" God didn't think much about, etc.

I don't necessarily believe that's how things happened, but there is no proof it either was or wasn't. I just keep an open mind.

The issue with evil or "bad things happen to good people" as is being discussed is only an issue for a god that is defined as "all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful". Take out any one of those three and you no longer have conflict as he either doesn't know bad things are happening, doesn't give a shit, or can't fix it even though he wants to. Other arguments would have to be made for gods that don't have those three qualifiers, but then most Christians define their god with those qualities so it's a reasonable argument to be put forth to someone who believes in Christianity. 



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mZuzek said:

I don't necessarily believe that's how things happened, but there is no proof it either was or wasn't. I just keep an open mind.

I just want to point out 1 thing about this: Just because we have no proof that it didn't happen, it doesn't mean we should take the hypothesis seriously. The burden of proof is on the person hypothesizing.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
Yes because it statistically makes no sense to believe we do not have a Creator of some kind.

Can you explain it better? Why doesn't it make sense statistically?



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oh wow... I opened this and was sent back to the internet circa 2006 where these discussions usually happened :D