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vivster said:
WolfpackN64 said:

It was meant as such. I've stopped laying down my arguments since I've seen people using circular reasoning, flatout ignoring my arguments, re-arranging my argumens or throwing fallacy accusations at me while they clearly lack any advanced notion of logic.

And so many threads later I still see these people throwing down the same mistakes while lacking any form of epistemological modesty whatsoever.

I hope that last part was a joke. And if you cannot see the irony of this then maybe you really shouldn't be part in discussions about logic.

It was completely unironic. I tried practicing epistemological modesty and many just took it for uncertainty and a weal position. The level of discussion here ranges from quite good to completely rediculous (often by the same people). I think if you'd put us all in a room with some drinks we'd get along just fine, but VGChartz is a very poor place to discuss logic and rational theology.



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vivster said:
Zoombael said:

Yes, a nice huge number, but isnt saying much, appearing as murky as the rest of the equation. The parts we know, and what we dont know. And what we figured out so far tells us higher lifeforms are not as common as the myriads of stars and planets suggests.

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18734-why-complex-life-probably-evolved-only-once/

Complex life evolving from simple cells is an inevitability given the right circumstances and enough time. With trillions of planets multiplied by billions of years it's quite likely that complex life forms exist, even in this very galaxy. Not that we'll ever find out since even the confines of our own galaxy are too big to grasp for a human. And there are billions of galaxies out there.

You could also say, when you will use the 7.000.000.000 number combinations that will come up in the next 7.000.000.000 lottery draws, you will inevitably win the lottery 7.000.000.000 times in a row.

It doesn't matter how many times a number of celestial bodies is written down, when the chance for complex/intelligent life to emerge is dismissed and is equally impossible to imagine.



Hunting Season is done...

I do not believe in God because no evidence points towards the existence of a God. Any example of philosophy or hypotheses that lead toward the existence of a god use far too much conjecture to respect.

1 - Exist
2 - Wonder why we exist
3 - ????
4 - God must have done it!

Sorry, that's not a compelling argument.

There may very well be a divine creator out there that we cannot disprove, but that's not the same as having evidence to support God's existence. Lack of Disproof is not the same as proof. Having unanswered questions doesn't mean you can just make up an answer and hope it sticks because it sounds about right. That's not logical, that's not scientific, that's not reasonable, and that's not good form in a debate.

Believe what you want, but don't be aggressive about it just because I don't find your evidence near compelling enough to convince me. don't act like I'm the bad guy because I have higher standards of proof than you do.

The burden of proof is on theists, and in thousands of years they have failed to make a compelling argument beyond appealing to the majority. (Which is a logical fallacy) or appealing to authority (Also a logical fallacy). Atheists generally don't claim 'there is no god', (even though they sometimes do say that to counter theists), but have collectively said, "there is no evidence for a god therefore I have no reason to believe in one."

So no. I highly doubt there is such a thing as God. Occams razor suggests that, all other factors being equal, the solution that makes the fewest assumptions is correct. I believe it makes more sense that we just don't know and people made God up than if a divine creator just happened to exist but do nothing to prove his worth, that only one of the thousands of variations on the thousands of religions just on our planet is right, and that the people of 2000 years ago were miraculously smarter and better at sussing out bullshit than we are now.

Give me compelling evidence beyond just 'we don't know so I guess it must be' and I'll consider god as a possiblity. Until then, I'll put him up there with dragons and gryphons and faeries and all manner of fantasy creatures in the realm of mythology. where he belongs.



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I am open to there being some being/s that are elvolved further than we and are kind of god like and such essensially gods. There might be some, but its also possible that there aren´t anything like that or that those beings are not in any contact with us, at least right now. Most religions and their decriptions of god/s don´t seem that believable to me. Even if some of them have some truth in them, I think that its most likely covered in a thick layer of nonsense that humans have made up.
There are lot of things that we now about now, like electricity, microbes etc. that were once supernatural and with that in mind and the small scope of what we can sense, many things that seem supernatural now, might be something else in the future.

So do I belive in god/s? I am open to it, but no, I don´t believe directly in any spesific god/s.
The argument that one should believe in some/all gods, because there is no harm etc in believing, seem to view belief as something that can be desided. I don´t think that I can just deside what I believe and it seems rediculous that anyone could just choose to believe.

I (PSintend0) am the one and only God, now worship me and believe that I exist and that I am indeed the one and only God. And I may add that you should, because those that do not believe in me will go to a bad place after they die. So choose and believe in me, if you can.

Does someone now believe in me? :P



WolfpackN64 said:
vivster said:

I hope that last part was a joke. And if you cannot see the irony of this then maybe you really shouldn't be part in discussions about logic.

It was completely unironic. I tried practicing epistemological modesty and many just took it for uncertainty and a weal position. The level of discussion here ranges from quite good to completely rediculous (often by the same people). I think if you'd put us all in a room with some drinks we'd get along just fine, but VGChartz is a very poor place to discuss logic and rational theology.

Rational theology isn't as thing.
That's just an apologetic stance to try and make their position seem more sound.

Fact of the matter is... Everyone is born Atheist, it's only later that they are indoctrinated into various religions.
To believe in the theological position of the Bible, Torah or Quran is to discard science, evidence and rationality.

If you have evidence that your religion out of thousands of others is the correct one, then present your evidence, you will be the first person in thousands of years that has likely done so and will likely win a nobel prize.

PSintend0 said:
I am open to there being some being/s that are elvolved further than we and are kind of god like and such essensially gods.

Almost sounds like you are adhering to one of Clarke's three laws.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Which wouldn't be wrong... If we were to take our modern technology and jump 200 years into the past, people would have thought it was magical/god-like, especially modern medicines.



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Pemalite said:
WolfpackN64 said:

It was completely unironic. I tried practicing epistemological modesty and many just took it for uncertainty and a weal position. The level of discussion here ranges from quite good to completely rediculous (often by the same people). I think if you'd put us all in a room with some drinks we'd get along just fine, but VGChartz is a very poor place to discuss logic and rational theology.

Rational theology isn't as thing.
That's just an apologetic stance to try and make their position seem more sound.

Fact of the matter is... Everyone is born Atheist, it's only later that they are indoctrinated into various religions.
To believe in the theological position of the Bible, Torah or Quran is to discard science, evidence and rationality.

If you have evidence that your religion out of thousands of others is the correct one, then present your evidence, you will be the first person in thousands of years that has likely done so and will likely win a nobel prize.

PSintend0 said:
I am open to there being some being/s that are elvolved further than we and are kind of god like and such essensially gods.

Almost sounds like you are adhering to one of Clarke's three laws.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Which wouldn't be wrong... If we were to take our modern technology and jump 200 years into the past, people would have thought it was magical/god-like, especially modern medicines.

"Rational Theology isn't a thing"

"Everyone is born atheïst"

The first thing is blatantly a lie unless you think you have the power to make a grand philosophical tradition dissapear because you said so.

The second thing is a statement. A statement my old self would reply to and get banned by the mods here (rightfully so), but I'll just leave it at: it's a moronic statement I'm going to disregard just as hard as you people have been dancing around my arguments.



Runa216 said:
I do not believe in God because no evidence points towards the existence of a God. Any example of philosophy or hypotheses that lead toward the existence of a god use far too much conjecture to respect.

1 - Exist
2 - Wonder why we exist
3 - ????
4 - God must have done it!

Sorry, that's not a compelling argument.

There may very well be a divine creator out there that we cannot disprove, but that's not the same as having evidence to support God's existence. Lack of Disproof is not the same as proof. Having unanswered questions doesn't mean you can just make up an answer and hope it sticks because it sounds about right. That's not logical, that's not scientific, that's not reasonable, and that's not good form in a debate.

Believe what you want, but don't be aggressive about it just because I don't find your evidence near compelling enough to convince me. don't act like I'm the bad guy because I have higher standards of proof than you do.

The burden of proof is on theists, and in thousands of years they have failed to make a compelling argument beyond appealing to the majority. (Which is a logical fallacy) or appealing to authority (Also a logical fallacy). Atheists generally don't claim 'there is no god', (even though they sometimes do say that to counter theists), but have collectively said, "there is no evidence for a god therefore I have no reason to believe in one."

So no. I highly doubt there is such a thing as God. Occams razor suggests that, all other factors being equal, the solution that makes the fewest assumptions is correct. I believe it makes more sense that we just don't know and people made God up than if a divine creator just happened to exist but do nothing to prove his worth, that only one of the thousands of variations on the thousands of religions just on our planet is right, and that the people of 2000 years ago were miraculously smarter and better at sussing out bullshit than we are now.

Give me compelling evidence beyond just 'we don't know so I guess it must be' and I'll consider god as a possiblity. Until then, I'll put him up there with dragons and gryphons and faeries and all manner of fantasy creatures in the realm of mythology. where he belongs.

Did you even read any argument to God's existance, or did you just conjure up an image of what such an argument is like in your head and debunk that instead?



WolfpackN64 said:
Runa216 said:
I do not believe in God because no evidence points towards the existence of a God. Any example of philosophy or hypotheses that lead toward the existence of a god use far too much conjecture to respect.

1 - Exist
2 - Wonder why we exist
3 - ????
4 - God must have done it!

Sorry, that's not a compelling argument.

There may very well be a divine creator out there that we cannot disprove, but that's not the same as having evidence to support God's existence. Lack of Disproof is not the same as proof. Having unanswered questions doesn't mean you can just make up an answer and hope it sticks because it sounds about right. That's not logical, that's not scientific, that's not reasonable, and that's not good form in a debate.

Believe what you want, but don't be aggressive about it just because I don't find your evidence near compelling enough to convince me. don't act like I'm the bad guy because I have higher standards of proof than you do.

The burden of proof is on theists, and in thousands of years they have failed to make a compelling argument beyond appealing to the majority. (Which is a logical fallacy) or appealing to authority (Also a logical fallacy). Atheists generally don't claim 'there is no god', (even though they sometimes do say that to counter theists), but have collectively said, "there is no evidence for a god therefore I have no reason to believe in one."

So no. I highly doubt there is such a thing as God. Occams razor suggests that, all other factors being equal, the solution that makes the fewest assumptions is correct. I believe it makes more sense that we just don't know and people made God up than if a divine creator just happened to exist but do nothing to prove his worth, that only one of the thousands of variations on the thousands of religions just on our planet is right, and that the people of 2000 years ago were miraculously smarter and better at sussing out bullshit than we are now.

Give me compelling evidence beyond just 'we don't know so I guess it must be' and I'll consider god as a possiblity. Until then, I'll put him up there with dragons and gryphons and faeries and all manner of fantasy creatures in the realm of mythology. where he belongs.

Did you even read any argument to God's existance, or did you just conjure up an image of what such an argument is like in your head and debunk that instead?

I am quite adamant about avoiding logical fallacies so I have no interest in attacking your strawman.

In regards to having read your responses, yes I did. I've also been debating theology for the majority of my life. Your arguments were not compelling and I'm not going to apologize for that. In my 30 years on this earth the closest anyone has ever come to supporting the existence of God is that so many cultures come to create similar religions with similar elements. Then, after a little digging, you find that the reason all of these religions are so similar is that they are inspired by one another and mutated from there - ironically just like evolution. 

So yes, I read many of your responses and I concur with Pemalite and SpokenTruth and a few others on here: you've not presented a compelling argument to back your case. And no, it's not just because I disagree with you; the arguments are weak and predicated on too many assumptions with no scientific evidence to back it up. 



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WolfpackN64 said:

"Rational Theology isn't a thing"

"Everyone is born atheïst"

The first thing is blatantly a lie unless you think you have the power to make a grand philosophical tradition dissapear because you said so.

The second thing is a statement. A statement my old self would reply to and get banned by the mods here (rightfully so), but I'll just leave it at: it's a moronic statement I'm going to disregard just as hard as you people have been dancing around my arguments.

1) It's far from a lie.
Believing in something that has zero empirical evidence to support it's position is NOT rational, try and sugar coat it anyway you desire, that's a fact.

2) Everyone is born Atheist. - That is... Everyone is born lacking any belief in any kind of God/Gods.
I am yet to see any infant exit it's mothers womb engaged in any kind of prayer.



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I actually don't remember when it was and why exactly I stopped believing in god. Somehow my parent's attempts to brainwash me failed and I'm so glad for that.