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Yes. The more I understand how a cell, genome, dna works, the more its clear for me that It cannot come to existance by chance. I think it is very clear the universe and life itself had a design. Im a christian by the way.



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When I was young, I grew up in a Christian family, but I didn't believe any of it. Christianity didn't make any sense, and I felt the biggest Christians were also the biggest hypocrits. Also I was very depressed as a youth.

When I was 23, I surrendered my life to God, and He changed me from the inside out. I am a Christian now, and I have been content with my life ever since.



EnricoPallazzo said:
Yes. The more I understand how a cell, genome, dna works, the more its clear for me that It cannot come to existance by chance. I think it is very clear the universe and life itself had a design. Im a christian by the way.

Then what created God? If a cell's inner mechanisms are so beyond you that you can only fathom it being created by a higher being, then what created God? Where did God come from? What designed God? Who could possibly be so more advanced that it created the thing that created the thing that baffles you? 

Honestly, it's this sort of logic that makes me double down on my stance. This sort of 'it's complicated and it confuses me, therefore it must be god' ideal that is at the crux of everything wrong with every pro-god argument. 

In the end, it just boils down to "I do not know, therefore God acts as a metaphor for that which is beyond my understanding". Has been that way since day one and will continue to be that was as long as there are answers we do not yet know. 

And yes, I know you didn't say you 'don't understand' how the cell works, but the fact that a divine creator is the only way you can fathom such things occurring does show a form of ignorance that fits the same narrative. 



Alara317 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:
Yes. The more I understand how a cell, genome, dna works, the more its clear for me that It cannot come to existance by chance. I think it is very clear the universe and life itself had a design. Im a christian by the way.

Then what created God? If a cell's inner mechanisms are so beyond you that you can only fathom it being created by a higher being, then what created God? Where did God come from? What designed God? Who could possibly be so more advanced that it created the thing that created the thing that baffles you? 

Honestly, it's this sort of logic that makes me double down on my stance. This sort of 'it's complicated and it confuses me, therefore it must be god' ideal that is at the crux of everything wrong with every pro-god argument. 

In the end, it just boils down to "I do not know, therefore God acts as a metaphor for that which is beyond my understanding". Has been that way since day one and will continue to be that was as long as there are answers we do not yet know. 

And yes, I know you didn't say you 'don't understand' how the cell works, but the fact that a divine creator is the only way you can fathom such things occurring does show a form of ignorance that fits the same narrative. 

While the designer argument is dubious, your retort is quite weak as well. Who designed God? If God is a necessary being at the cradle of the universe, the only awnser is that he always was. For when he wasn't he couldn't and if he is, he can't not be.



Alara317 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:
Yes. The more I understand how a cell, genome, dna works, the more its clear for me that It cannot come to existance by chance. I think it is very clear the universe and life itself had a design. Im a christian by the way.

Then what created God? If a cell's inner mechanisms are so beyond you that you can only fathom it being created by a higher being, then what created God? Where did God come from? What designed God? Who could possibly be so more advanced that it created the thing that created the thing that baffles you? 

Honestly, it's this sort of logic that makes me double down on my stance. This sort of 'it's complicated and it confuses me, therefore it must be god' ideal that is at the crux of everything wrong with every pro-god argument. 

In the end, it just boils down to "I do not know, therefore God acts as a metaphor for that which is beyond my understanding". Has been that way since day one and will continue to be that was as long as there are answers we do not yet know. 

And yes, I know you didn't say you 'don't understand' how the cell works, but the fact that a divine creator is the only way you can fathom such things occurring does show a form of ignorance that fits the same narrative. 

Your answer is exactly why I usually do no enter this type of discussion. I wish I could have the answers for everything in the universe, like what existed before the big bang, how the universe can be infinite, what exists outside of it, where the matter that comprises the WHOLE universe came from and that condensed in a veru very small space before that big bang, or why atheist people are so intolerant sometimes, despite in theory being at the "reason" side of the discussion. And where god came from of course.

But I stand for what I said. The more I understand how the "micro" works in the nature, the more its clear for me it could not have been there by a mere huge sequence of fortunate lucky moves.



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EnricoPallazzo said:
Alara317 said:

Then what created God? If a cell's inner mechanisms are so beyond you that you can only fathom it being created by a higher being, then what created God? Where did God come from? What designed God? Who could possibly be so more advanced that it created the thing that created the thing that baffles you? 

Honestly, it's this sort of logic that makes me double down on my stance. This sort of 'it's complicated and it confuses me, therefore it must be god' ideal that is at the crux of everything wrong with every pro-god argument. 

In the end, it just boils down to "I do not know, therefore God acts as a metaphor for that which is beyond my understanding". Has been that way since day one and will continue to be that was as long as there are answers we do not yet know. 

And yes, I know you didn't say you 'don't understand' how the cell works, but the fact that a divine creator is the only way you can fathom such things occurring does show a form of ignorance that fits the same narrative. 

Your answer is exactly why I usually do no enter this type of discussion. I wish I could have the answers for everything in the universe, like what existed before the big bang, how the universe can be infinite, what exists outside of it, where the matter that comprises the WHOLE universe came from and that condensed in a veru very small space before that big bang, or why atheist people are so intolerant sometimes, despite in theory being at the "reason" side of the discussion. And where god came from of course.

But I stand for what I said. The more I understand how the "micro" works in the nature, the more its clear for me it could not have been there by a mere huge sequence of fortunate lucky moves.

Then you clearly can't comprehend how large the universe really is or how old it truly is. The amount of chemical reactions taking place at any given moment is virtually infinite, and that's happening every one of the trillions of seconds all over the universe. Life on this planet is said to have started 4.28 billion years ago. The universe is said to be 13.8 billion years old. 

That's over 9.5 billion years where nothing happened. An infinite number of chemical reactions mixing and matching in infinite patterns for 9.52 billion years. If you don't believe that THOSE odds don't eventually lead to life, then that's fine, but don't pretend the numbers aren't there. 

If there was a god, I'm sure it wouldn't take him 9.5 billion years to take his first step on this planet. Especially considering how long it took to get to this point from there. Hell, even the time of the dinosaurs (about 320 million years ago to 65 million years ago) was, on the universal scale, like yesterday. 



WolfpackN64 said:
Alara317 said:

Then what created God? If a cell's inner mechanisms are so beyond you that you can only fathom it being created by a higher being, then what created God? Where did God come from? What designed God? Who could possibly be so more advanced that it created the thing that created the thing that baffles you? 

Honestly, it's this sort of logic that makes me double down on my stance. This sort of 'it's complicated and it confuses me, therefore it must be god' ideal that is at the crux of everything wrong with every pro-god argument. 

In the end, it just boils down to "I do not know, therefore God acts as a metaphor for that which is beyond my understanding". Has been that way since day one and will continue to be that was as long as there are answers we do not yet know. 

And yes, I know you didn't say you 'don't understand' how the cell works, but the fact that a divine creator is the only way you can fathom such things occurring does show a form of ignorance that fits the same narrative. 

While the designer argument is dubious, your retort is quite weak as well. Who designed God? If God is a necessary being at the cradle of the universe, the only awnser is that he always was. For when he wasn't he couldn't and if he is, he can't not be.

If you acknowledge that complex things (like god) can exist without a creator, you can no longer argue that cells need a creator because they are complex.

If you try to get out of this problem by saying that god is the only thing that didn't need to be created, then that is a logical fallacy called special pleading.  You can't just say "this thing is the one exception to the rule", unless you can give a valid justification to the rule.  

Either complex things always need to be designed, or they don't.  You can't have it both ways.



No

Because logically from every angle, all I see are downsides.

Morals - Religious people preach endlessly about their "high moral standards" but flout them whenever it serves them. They treat all the so called religious morals as "open to interpretation" and end up ignoring the lot of them.

Example: I once pulled over on the side of the road to help some guy with his car because it had run outta gas. I drove him all around, all while he said "god bless" every three seconds. I paid for his gas because I didn't care about money and I wanted to do a good thing. He told me he would come the next day and pay me back. Never heard from him again.

You want morals you teach need to teach a person "do unto others as you'd like done to yourself". Plain and simple empathy and you'll have better morals than religion could ever produce.

Heaven and Hell: The idea that you are sent to heaven or hell depending on how you lived in life is RIDICULOUS. Because no matter how much I hate someone, even Hitler, I can't justify sending them to hell because a person is a result of the life that he's been given. They say even Hitler had syphilis and combined with an upbringing that taught him all these foreign cultures were evil, how could anything else result? Condemning someone to eternal pain for living a life like that...

God's Responsible For Everything: I find it incredibly insulting to have people credit god with everything good that happens in the world and when something bad happens, its "God works in mysterious ways". Wrong, humanity is responsible for their own glory and their own faults. Great people do great things.

Religion is the ultimate excuse to ignore the world around you: People treat the bible like it's a compendium of the world's answers. Wrong. Christians use it as an excuse to ignore the damage they do to the environment. Animals are hunted to extinction and forests are stripped clean because "God will solve it later". Or they say, "who cares, according to this guy who added a bunch of biblical dates together, the apocalypse is next year."

Which one is the real religion?: The most obvious and glaring problem with organized religion. Why is yours better than the other ones?

Promotion of frauds: Believing in religion is an excellent way to start believing in conmen like faith healers, psychics, and other nonsense. Wanna talk about harmful gateway drugs? Religion is king.

The Big Bang Theory is more plausible: I have heard a lot of people say they find science even more ridiculous. Well, go live in a cave then. You're only at a computer playing games because of science. You don't understand it? Tough. Science is complicated as fuck, not everyone's an expert at everything.

Religion is an easy answer: This is ultimately religions best and worst feature. I've lost two brothers and my mother and I can understand that it's easier to say "they went to heaven". No, I won't do that. You want me to worship you, you get down here and tell me why I should. My mother sent my brother to his grave listening to false hopes and lies. I know how damaging those can be. One thing I've learned is that there are no easy answers. There's only the right answer.



There is no God. All the madness, evil and darkness in this world are clear signs that no God exists!



EnricoPallazzo said:
Yes. The more I understand how a cell, genome, dna works, the more its clear for me that It cannot come to existance by chance. I think it is very clear the universe and life itself had a design. Im a christian by the way.

Your argument is based on a logical fallacy called argument from ignorance. Also known as god of the gaps argument.

Because you don't know or don't understand how something came into existence or could've been evovled, you go for a higher power which is the god you believe in.



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