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Errorist76 on 25 August 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
Errorist76 said:
If they’re most likely forced to sell the system at a loss anyway they might just lend it right away. I still think for that the monthly cost is a bit too high to be feasible.

You must not be doing the math.

$22-$35 a month is not a lot of money for the average person. We're talking about getting the console and access to many games (day one 1st party games included), that's a pretty good deal.

Also, the subscription services being lumped in means they're making a profit on the subscription services. That covers any losses on the hardware.

 

If you do the math it’s not that much of a deal and it’s not much different from a finance deal. 

 

Bofferbrauer2 said: 

For those who don't want to take out their calculators, it's 528$ total for the ONE S + XBL + GamePass, and 840$ for an ONE X + XBL + GamePass.

In other words, buying them separately seems a better deal to me, especially for the ONE X or when there's some discount.

They’re selling the X1S for 200,- sometimes and it will only get cheaper. It’s clever marketing...Bauernfängerei we call that in German. 



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DonFerrari on 25 August 2018
Errorist76 said:
irstupid said:

So the plan is to make consoles like a phone then?
You will get a Xbox bill monthly that shows stuff like:
Xbox One X $15
Xbox Live $10
All Access $10
Total $35

Or something like that. Probably other hidden fees like taxes and what not. People seem ot love paying monthly for new phones all the time.

 

Be tempting come a new gen. Day 1 you buy a PS5 with zero games for $400.00 or you buy an Xbox 4 for $35 and it lets you play every game.

Don’t pretend it’s much different to buying it on a monthly credit. 

For this type of thing when talking about customer it doesn't matter what it is, but that is perceived as. Cellphone customers love it, and if the same happens to console owners then MS may have a good headstart.



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DélioPT on 25 August 2018

This is another way of doing business.
It's a lot easier on the wallet - and eyes - to pay 35$ a month than 400 to 500$ for a console with a game or two.

Actually, this reminds me of a time where the representative of Nintendo, during the GC era, decided to sell a pack of 4 games and offer the console.
So yeah, it's a bit of how people accept this kinda model and marketing, too.

It's tough for MS to compete in prices with Sony, but this kind of practice does seem to change things in MS's favour.



chakkra on 25 August 2018
Errorist76 said:
chakkra said:

It will be interesting to see how much this affects the Xbox family sales. 

I think it will help it to keep sales up YoY, not only this year but next year as well.

How? If anything it will slow down sales and up the rents. Not that it matters when we don’t get any sales numbers anyway.

For the life of me I do not understand your line of thought.



LudicrousSpeed on 25 August 2018

 

Errorist76 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You must not be doing the math.

$22-$35 a month is not a lot of money for the average person. We're talking about getting the console and access to many games (day one 1st party games included), that's a pretty good deal.

Also, the subscription services being lumped in means they're making a profit on the subscription services. That covers any losses on the hardware.

 

If you do the math it’s not that much of a deal and it’s not much different from a finance deal. 

Actually, assuming this is exclusive to the US, it’s pretty radically different than most finance deals we have here. It’s not typical to lease to own and not pay substantial, often downright laughable premiums on the MSRP for the convenience of leasing. For example numerous prepaid phone companies will let you pay off a brand new top of the line phone. But instead of paying off the $800 retail price of an iPhone, you’ll end up paying like $1400 over two years, not counting service. There are numerous businesses who will rent you furniture, appliances, electronics, etc, but you end up paying at least 50% more than retail. A lot of it is just taking advantage of people without much disposable income.

With this you actually save money versus the MSRP. So it is a good deal versus paying upfront if you don’t have disposable income, and it’s an amazing deal compared to other financing/leasing options we have in the US.

Fingerhut leases the S for $400 and the Scorpio for $700.

Rent A Center leases the S for $700 and the Scorpio for $1080.

Aarons leases the Scorpio for, no joke, almost $1800.

Conn’s are nice enough to lease you an S for $700, or a Scorpio for a cool grand. But the Scorpio does come with CoD WW2. 

These are the most popular leasing chains I know of in the US. And these prices don’t include two years of GamePass and Gold, which add $360 to the cost. You save $20 on the Scorpio and services here, and $60 on the S. You can argue how popular it will be all you want, but it’s clearly a good deal for the type of service it is.



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COKTOE on 25 August 2018
LudicrousSpeed said:

 

Errorist76 said:

If you do the math it’s not that much of a deal and it’s not much different from a finance deal. 

Actually, assuming this is exclusive to the US, it’s pretty radically different than most finance deals we have here. It’s not typical to lease to own and not pay substantial, often downright laughable premiums on the MSRP for the convenience of leasing. For example numerous prepaid phone companies will let you pay off a brand new top of the line phone. But instead of paying off the $800 retail price of an iPhone, you’ll end up paying like $1400 over two years, not counting service. There are numerous businesses who will rent you furniture, appliances, electronics, etc, but you end up paying at least 50% more than retail. A lot of it is just taking advantage of people without much disposable income.

With this you actually save money versus the MSRP. So it is a good deal versus paying upfront if you don’t have disposable income, and it’s an amazing deal compared to other financing/leasing options we have in the US.

Fingerhut leases the S for $400 and the Scorpio for $700.

Rent A Center leases the S for $700 and the Scorpio for $1080.

Aarons leases the Scorpio for, no joke, almost $1800.

Conn’s are nice enough to lease you an S for $700, or a Scorpio for a cool grand. But the Scorpio does come with CoD WW2. 

These are the most popular leasing chains I know of in the US. And these prices don’t include two years of GamePass and Gold, which add $360 to the cost. You save $20 on the Scorpio and services here, and $60 on the S. You can argue how popular it will be all you want, but it’s clearly a good deal for the type of service it is.

For real? You save money eh? $20 and $60 respectively on the X and S? I must have misread the article linked in the op. I'd STILL just pay up front to be done with it, have ownership, and all the flexibility that comes with it And I have zero use for a service like Gamepass. But for the right customer, that sounds pretty good.



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Soonerman on 25 August 2018

I get Live and Pass free just by doing Microsoft points. This is not a deal at all.



Mr Puggsly on 25 August 2018
COKTOE said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

 

Actually, assuming this is exclusive to the US, it’s pretty radically different than most finance deals we have here. It’s not typical to lease to own and not pay substantial, often downright laughable premiums on the MSRP for the convenience of leasing. For example numerous prepaid phone companies will let you pay off a brand new top of the line phone. But instead of paying off the $800 retail price of an iPhone, you’ll end up paying like $1400 over two years, not counting service. There are numerous businesses who will rent you furniture, appliances, electronics, etc, but you end up paying at least 50% more than retail. A lot of it is just taking advantage of people without much disposable income.

With this you actually save money versus the MSRP. So it is a good deal versus paying upfront if you don’t have disposable income, and it’s an amazing deal compared to other financing/leasing options we have in the US.

Fingerhut leases the S for $400 and the Scorpio for $700.

Rent A Center leases the S for $700 and the Scorpio for $1080.

Aarons leases the Scorpio for, no joke, almost $1800.

Conn’s are nice enough to lease you an S for $700, or a Scorpio for a cool grand. But the Scorpio does come with CoD WW2. 

These are the most popular leasing chains I know of in the US. And these prices don’t include two years of GamePass and Gold, which add $360 to the cost. You save $20 on the Scorpio and services here, and $60 on the S. You can argue how popular it will be all you want, but it’s clearly a good deal for the type of service it is.

For real? You save money eh? $20 and $60 respectively on the X and S? I must have misread the article linked in the op. I'd STILL just pay up front to be done with it, have ownership, and all the flexibility that comes with it And I have zero use for a service like Gamepass. But for the right customer, that sounds pretty good.

Well if you're buying a console and want instant access to many notable games, this bundle does just that.

Also, its not a coincidence they attempt this near the holiday season. Many Christmas shoppers would be open to a deal like this, but it needs to be available at more retailers.



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Mr Puggsly on 25 August 2018
Soonerman said:
I get Live and Pass free just by doing Microsoft points. This is not a deal at all.

I do the MS points as well, you have to buy a lot of stuff and do many web searches cover Gamepass and Gold.

You're out of touch with the average consumer.



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Mr Puggsly on 25 August 2018
LudicrousSpeed said:

 

Errorist76 said:

If you do the math it’s not that much of a deal and it’s not much different from a finance deal. 

Actually, assuming this is exclusive to the US, it’s pretty radically different than most finance deals we have here. It’s not typical to lease to own and not pay substantial, often downright laughable premiums on the MSRP for the convenience of leasing. For example numerous prepaid phone companies will let you pay off a brand new top of the line phone. But instead of paying off the $800 retail price of an iPhone, you’ll end up paying like $1400 over two years, not counting service. There are numerous businesses who will rent you furniture, appliances, electronics, etc, but you end up paying at least 50% more than retail. A lot of it is just taking advantage of people without much disposable income.

With this you actually save money versus the MSRP. So it is a good deal versus paying upfront if you don’t have disposable income, and it’s an amazing deal compared to other financing/leasing options we have in the US.

Fingerhut leases the S for $400 and the Scorpio for $700.

Rent A Center leases the S for $700 and the Scorpio for $1080.

Aarons leases the Scorpio for, no joke, almost $1800.

Conn’s are nice enough to lease you an S for $700, or a Scorpio for a cool grand. But the Scorpio does come with CoD WW2. 

These are the most popular leasing chains I know of in the US. And these prices don’t include two years of GamePass and Gold, which add $360 to the cost. You save $20 on the Scorpio and services here, and $60 on the S. You can argue how popular it will be all you want, but it’s clearly a good deal for the type of service it is.

Bingo, you made a much better response than I would have.

Errorist76 showed he's completely oblivious to how much of a ripoff finance deals generally are. With this deal MS is simply increasing their revenue by bundling in subscription services, which are actually good services.

I personally won't get in on this deal. But if they did next gen around launch, I would certainly consider it. Especially if it would save me a little money and soften the blow of upfront cost.



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