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Justin Trudeau

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Radek said:
Xeon said:

My parents fled Vietnam and claimed refugee status in Hong Kong. I was born there then got sponsored to Canada. So no, it was legal for me. But my parents, not so much.

Vietnamese people are hard working people that easily integrate and don't commit  many crimes.

People really like Vietnamese immigrants and there's plenty of them in my city in Poland.

Now immigrants from Muslim countries are a different thing entirely...

I know plenty of people of Vietnamese decent who commit crimes. I know plenty of people from Muslim countries who do not.



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Radek said:
Xeon said:

My parents fled Vietnam and claimed refugee status in Hong Kong. I was born there then got sponsored to Canada. So no, it was legal for me. But my parents, not so much.

Vietnamese people are hard working people that easily integrate and don't commit  many crimes.

People really like Vietnamese immigrants and there's plenty of them in my city in Poland.

Now immigrants from Muslim countries are a different thing entirely...

Exactly what I was getting at. You emigrated from HK, that's totally different than the immigrants this old woman is talking about. You cant generalize from your experience to theirs, they're different cultures.



Radek said:

There's a lot of  talk in the news about Poland and Hungary not taking migrants, but there's very little talk what's actually happening in Sweden or Germany.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1003500/youths-torch-100-cars-across-sweden

It is interesting that you would choose this as your leading example here as it does not attribute this torching to migrants or immigrants. It lists no perpetrator.

So, how much are car burnings attributable to the recent surge of migrants? Here is a quote from Washington Post:

"But when it comes to intentionally setting fire to cars, said Manne Gerell, a lecturer in criminology at Sweden’s Malmo University, such incidents have increased “big-time” over the past couple decades — but not in the past two or so years. Across Sweden, he said, about 1,500 cars are burned each year. The reasons can include insurance fraud, hiding other crimes, social unrest and “random youth vandalism,” he said."

Basically, he states that they haven't really seen a significant increase in car burnings from the recent migrant surge, however, it does seem that this phenomenon is largely homegrown. While information may come out in the future regarding this event, it is important to take it all into perspective.

It is also important to look at the numbers outside of simple anecdotes for other types of crime. Lets look at homicide data. In 2017, the homicide rate in Sweden was about 1.15 (per 100k). In the USA homicide rates are somewhere around 4.5 (per 100k) (from what I can tell, 2017 data isn't out yet, but

While anecdotes are scary, the numbers consistently suggest that Sweden is significantly safer than the USA (and certain cities in the USA blow it out of the water).



contestgamer said:
Radek said:

Vietnamese people are hard working people that easily integrate and don't commit  many crimes.

People really like Vietnamese immigrants and there's plenty of them in my city in Poland.

Now immigrants from Muslim countries are a different thing entirely...

Exactly what I was getting at. You emigrated from HK, that's totally different than the immigrants this old woman is talking about. You cant generalize from your experience to theirs, they're different cultures.

They are different cultures, I agree. However, back in the 70s and 80s, Vietnamese immigrants faced the same sort of backlash others get today.

 

It sucks that their are rotten apples for sure and they only make others of their kind look bad, but we can't generalize them and say that they're all the same.

 



SpokenTruth said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
Hes says hes tolerant to all perspectives, but then says shes not welcomed there because of her perspective. Hmm.

That is called the Paradox of Tolerance.  The tolerant cannot be tolerant of intolerance itself lest the intolerant will take over.  So to maintain tolerance, intolerance cannot be tolerated.

so... basically you're trying to rationalise intolerance and exclusion... isn't that bigotry?



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Megiddo said:

I think one of my favorite things about the Youtube comments is that they don't realize what Trudeau is saying by "there will be terrorist attacks". Here's a hint, he's not talking about radical Islamic extremists. He's talking about white supremacists. He's saying that if this bigoted viewpoint of anti-immigrants is tolerated and fostered, then there will be violent attacks against immigrants, terrorist attacks.

can you point to any that have occurred recently? as opposed to all of the islamic people blowing themselves up in crowded areas?



Canada needs to take in more refugees. There's only 36~million people in canada meanwhile Africa has 1.28 billion. Come on Trudeau, you can accommodate another 100 million people.



o_O.Q said:
Megiddo said:

I think one of my favorite things about the Youtube comments is that they don't realize what Trudeau is saying by "there will be terrorist attacks". Here's a hint, he's not talking about radical Islamic extremists. He's talking about white supremacists. He's saying that if this bigoted viewpoint of anti-immigrants is tolerated and fostered, then there will be violent attacks against immigrants, terrorist attacks.

can you point to any that have occurred recently? as opposed to all of the islamic people blowing themselves up in crowded areas?

Speaking specifically about Canada, last year the Quebec City Mosque Shooting killed six and injured 19 others.

Overall, between 1980 and mid-2017, Right Wing Extremists killed 30 people in Canada while Islamists killed 2 (the numbers fluctuate a bit by definition, but the general pattern remains the same).

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/the-rights-terrorism-problem/



Xeon said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

Did you enter illegally?

My parents fled Vietnam and claimed refugee status in Hong Kong. I was born there then got sponsored to Canada. So no, it was legal for me. But my parents, not so much.

So you support illegal immigration?  Most immigrants I know dislike when people cheat a system they had to work within.



Radek said:

Trudeau is a clown, good video about current situation in Canada.

Are you able to post the link? I cannot see embedded videos on mobile.