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TheLastStarFighter said:
Xeon said:
I'm an immigrant and Canadian citizen today. Now a productive member of society. Others deserve the chances I got so I don't see a problem with shutting her down like that.

Did you enter illegally?

My parents fled Vietnam and claimed refugee status in Hong Kong. I was born there then got sponsored to Canada. So no, it was legal for me. But my parents, not so much.



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contestgamer said:
Xeon said:
I'm an immigrant and Canadian citizen today. Now a productive member of society. Others deserve the chances I got so I don't see a problem with shutting her down like that.

OK, but what country did you emigrate from?

Hong Kong. But my parents fled there illegally from Vietnam escaping the Communists.



Xeon said:
contestgamer said:

OK, but what country did you emigrate from?

Hong Kong. But my parents fled there illegally from Vietnam escaping the Communists.

Beware, the Communists are following you.  Soon, there will be nowhere left to run...if the North American left has their way.



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vivster said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

Refrain from going personal against people in this thread please. Thank you. 

You know his thread history as well as I do. How can I not get personal when this is about his person doing the same thread over and over, misconstruing facts and omitting the truth? How about you go against the repeat offenders who always do this instead of attacking the people trying to fight against it?

All reported but never is anything done about creating threads for the sole purpose of misrepresenting facts and bending the truth so hard that it breaks.

Yeah, that's how it works around here. Trolls can continue to be trolls and do their best to spread lies and work people up as long as they are good little trolls by staying juuuuust inside the lines and not breaking any rules. 

It's okay to be a shit disturber, but it's not okay to call out shit disturbers for being shit disturbers. That IS in the rules. 

It's also why I'm not too active on here (or most places, really. Too many websites have hilariously misplaced values and don't punish trolls well enough by the simple virtue of trolls knowing how to best use technicality to get around any actual repercussions for their actions.)

 

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Kalkano said:
Xeon said:

Hong Kong. But my parents fled there illegally from Vietnam escaping the Communists.

Beware, the Communists are following you.  Soon, there will be nowhere left to run...if the North American left has their way.

Don't confuse communists with democratic socialists.



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Xeon said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

Did you enter illegally?

My parents fled Vietnam and claimed refugee status in Hong Kong. I was born there then got sponsored to Canada. So no, it was legal for me. But my parents, not so much.

Vietnamese people are hard working people that easily integrate and don't commit  many crimes.

People really like Vietnamese immigrants and there's plenty of them in my city in Poland.

Now immigrants from Muslim countries are a different thing entirely...



Radek said:
Xeon said:

My parents fled Vietnam and claimed refugee status in Hong Kong. I was born there then got sponsored to Canada. So no, it was legal for me. But my parents, not so much.

Vietnamese people are hard working people that easily integrate and don't commit  many crimes.

People really like Vietnamese immigrants and there's plenty of them in my city in Poland.

Now immigrants from Muslim countries are a different thing entirely...

Wow.  That's quite the generalization there.



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vivster said:
melbye said:

What was intolerant with what she asked?

She was insinuating that the money spent to integrate immigrants was wasted and had to somehow be given back to her people, which is not how the world works and which is not how tolerance works.

Which was of course conveniently omitted by the OP to further peddle his bigoted agenda.

no, not really, it's not what she asked about.

Let put some context here. in the last... year and half or so, on the other side of the candian border, the president Donald Trump decided to fight illegal immigration. one of his policy was to terminate some visa that was given to immigrants after various disaster. Haiti earthquake for exemple. Some of those visa goes back in the early 2000 for Salvadorian. So people are in America now with those visa, and have live there for a while, getting job, putting their kids in school etc.  Those people that fear to be soon illegal in the USA, decided to try to make a refugee demand to Canada.

But, there's a treaty between Canada and the USA that is called the safe thrid country act, that stipulate that any refugee must make a demand in the country that they first arrived on. So, for a person that first arrived in the USA, if they go to a canadian border and ask for a refugee status, it will be automatically refused and the person will be escorted back in the USA, because she have the obligation to make the demand to the USA government, because it's the first country they landed in. So, those Haitians that had a temporary visa in the USA, cannot ask for a refugee status in Canada, because they have the obligation to make the demand in the USA, which will be refused because they want to cancel their visa.  easy enough to understand ?

Ok, now, if you cross the border illegaly from the USA to Canada, and get caught by the border patrol, then you say to the agents : "I want the refugee status" you enter a loophole. Your demand must be examinated by the immigration court of Canada. You cannot be repel to the USA like if you try to enter legally, because you are now a different type of refugee. About 50% of these people will eventually be returned in their home country, but before their case is processed they will be allowed to live in canada. that mean we have to give them a place to live, put their kids in school, and give them money for food and basic need. Often they can apply for a temporary working visa so that they can live on their own. 

Now back to the Trump refugees. A lot of Haitian refugees in the USA decided, when Trump announced that the temporary visa would be removed, feared that they would be forced to return to Haiti. They decided to move to Canada instead. But because of the safe third country act, it was impossible for them to place a demand to Canada. So they decided to enter illegaly. As you may know, canada and USA share a mostly unprotected border. If you want to cross the border, there's a lot of place you can try to. But those people actually want to be caught at the other side, because they want to ask the refugee status. And since most of the illigals are Haitian, and that Haiti is mostly a french and creole speaking country (creole being very similar to french), and that canada have the largest french speaking community in North America, as well a very large Haitian community in montreal, crossing the border in Quebec became tempting. Enter Roxam road...

https://goo.gl/maps/6tLF9bjMCp92

This road is a small isolated road that exist on both side of the border. It's only 5 km away from the official border point at Lacolle. So in august of 2017 people began to litteraly flock into canada from mostly this point. We are talking about 80 to 100 person per day that crossed there. The canadian border patrol cannot do anything, because technically those people are in the USA. The only thing they can do is to tell them that they will be arrested if they cross, but that's basically what they want. And the USA border patrol will not do anything, because they are only concerned by people trying to get in the USA, not out. 

To give you an estimate, between january 1st and mai 30th 2018, 9481 illegal immigrants were caught crossing the canadian border from the USA. 9082 of them, crossed at Roxham road. At first it was mostly Haitians that were crossing, but the word spread, and actually there's now a network of people that transport refugees from New-York to the border. They now come from a lot of different country. They land in JFK as tourist, and they cross the border after a few days. All those refugees and their familly like I said before must be take care for. Kids have to go in school, ressources have to be put in place to process the demands, check on them to be sure that they have their basis need taken care of, give them medical care if they need to, etc. And all thoses addition ressources are mostly the responsability of the province, Quebec in that case. You began to see what is the money that old lady was talking about ? So yeah it's estimated that it costed about 146 millions of dollar to the Quebec government to take care of all these illegal immigrant since last year. Ottawa is supposed to pay some of it, but not all, and it's unclear when they pay and how much. People here see that as unfair for Quebec, since we received 95% of the illegal immigrants, and that we have to pay for them, but that immigration is mostly the Federal responsability. 

 

That said, I think it's legit to ask that question. Yes, what Ottawa will do with the burden put on Quebec finances because of illegal immigration? But it was not the time, and certainly not the way to do it. 

 

wow, sorry for the long post...

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SpokenTruth said:
Radek said:

Vietnamese people are hard working people that easily integrate and don't commit  many crimes.

People really like Vietnamese immigrants and there's plenty of them in my city in Poland.

Now immigrants from Muslim countries are a different thing entirely...

Wow.  That's quite the generalization there.

When you read what happens every few days in countries like Sweden, Germany and even France you will understand what I mean.

There's a lot of  talk in the news about Poland and Hungary not taking migrants, but there's very little talk what's actually happening in Sweden or Germany.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1003500/youths-torch-100-cars-across-sweden

https://www.dw.com/en/german-doctor-stabbed-to-death-at-practice/a-45108969

And things like this happen like every week.

Germany can't force whole of EU to follow their stance of migrants, from what I heard Germany doesn't rule the EU or does it?

There's a reason developed countries like Japan and South Korea  do not want Muslim migrants as well, but I don't see much  coverage and bashing  Japan in the media... I wonder why it is? Why is it always Poland? We've suffered enough in XIX and XX century already, please let us develop in peace.

We are a poor country that was occupied for over a century, then ruined and bombed to hell in World War I and World War 2 with 50 years of communism to follow, we did not have colonies in Africa, Asia and Americas like French, Italian, Spanish, Portguguese, English and Dutch. We  own Middle East nothing and they don't respect our values and our way of life.

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Radek said:
SpokenTruth said:

Wow.  That's quite the generalization there.

When you read what happens every few days in countries like Sweden, Germany and even France you will understand what I mean.

There's a lot of  talk in the news about Poland and Hungary not taking migrants, but there's very little talk what's actually happening in Sweden or Germany.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1003500/youths-torch-100-cars-across-sweden

https://www.dw.com/en/german-doctor-stabbed-to-death-at-practice/a-45108969

And things like this happen like every week.

Germany can't force whole of EU to follow their stance of migrants, from what I heard Germany doesn't rule the EU or does it?

There's a reason developed countries like Japan and South Korea  do not want Muslim migrants as well, but I don't see much  coverage and bashing  Japan in the media... I wonder why it is? Why is it always Poland? We've suffered enough in XIX and XX century already, please let us develop in peace.

We are a poor country that was occupied for over a century, then ruined and bombed to hell in World War I and World War 2 with 50 years of communism to follow, we did not have colonies in Africa, Asia and Americas like French, Italian, Spanish, Portguguese, English and Dutch. We  own Middle East nothing and they don't respect our values and our way of life.

Nice background context. Thank you for this post. 



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