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thismeintiel said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
What I find odd (and annoying) is that lately left wing politicians in both Canada and the US have started calling people against ILLEGAL immigration racist. Until recently everyone was against breaking the law.

Well, they have to take things to the extreme because they know that they are losing the war on getting illegal aliens citizenship and the right to vote. You'll notice that when the estimated number of aliens weren't enough to swing elections, Democrats talked a tough game on illegal immigration. And this was just 10-15 years ago. Now that there's enough in the US to affect elections, they're all for it. Don't enforce or make laws to curb illegal votes cast in elections. And now push for us to provide for them and give them full citizenship. It's just a way for them to amass more power and spend more money, part of which just some how ends up in their or their friends' pockets.

This also makes them hysterical when they feel they are so close to achieving that goal and but having it ripped away from them. So now there is no difference between illegal and legal immigration. Ignore the increase in crime illegals naturally bring into the country, including violent crimes or identity theft and/or tax invasion. Those who oppose the breaking of our laws are called all types of names and are racists. Including legal immigrants who feel a part of the country and think everyone needs to come in the right way, like they made sure to do. 

So what is the solution you would present for illegal immigration.  I am just wondering because I continue to read that people are all for legal immigration but what would you consider the standard.  Also putting illegal immigrants into prison, do you believe this is the route to success.  If you supported how Trump handled the border and believe that is the way to go, do you also support taken away their children, kicking out the parents or locking them up and not having a means to bring them back together.  Do you support such policy and how we should handle any and all illegal immigration or is this only for the border.



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vivster said:

So he told some intolerant bitch to stop being intolerant? Seems like a good thing. So standing up against bigots is now a bad thing apparently?

What's wrong with wanting less refugees in your country? He's the one who's intolerant of her opinion. 



The misguided elevates the frail, and the frail lead the people astray. Good on Justin Trudeau for putting that woman in her place.



Machiavellian said:
thismeintiel said:

Well, they have to take things to the extreme because they know that they are losing the war on getting illegal aliens citizenship and the right to vote. You'll notice that when the estimated number of aliens weren't enough to swing elections, Democrats talked a tough game on illegal immigration. And this was just 10-15 years ago. Now that there's enough in the US to affect elections, they're all for it. Don't enforce or make laws to curb illegal votes cast in elections. And now push for us to provide for them and give them full citizenship. It's just a way for them to amass more power and spend more money, part of which just some how ends up in their or their friends' pockets.

This also makes them hysterical when they feel they are so close to achieving that goal and but having it ripped away from them. So now there is no difference between illegal and legal immigration. Ignore the increase in crime illegals naturally bring into the country, including violent crimes or identity theft and/or tax invasion. Those who oppose the breaking of our laws are called all types of names and are racists. Including legal immigrants who feel a part of the country and think everyone needs to come in the right way, like they made sure to do. 

So what is the solution you would present for illegal immigration.  I am just wondering because I continue to read that people are all for legal immigration but what would you consider the standard.  Also putting illegal immigrants into prison, do you believe this is the route to success.  If you supported how Trump handled the border and believe that is the way to go, do you also support taken away their children, kicking out the parents or locking them up and not having a means to bring them back together.  Do you support such policy and how we should handle any and all illegal immigration or is this only for the border.

The solution is rather simple.  Sadly, no one has the balls to do it.  Maybe Trump will, but we'll see.

First thing is first, plug up the leak.  There's no point bailing a sinking ship one bucket at a time when gallons are pouring in.  Put up an actual border fence.  Double fence, in fact, that is buried several feet down and with enough space to drive vehicles in between, allowing border patrol to patrol the border in vehicles.  Hire more border patrol if needed.  And I don't want to hear any bullshit about cost.  This government spends so much damn money on bullshit that doesn't pertain to their #1 job of protecting citizens, it's not even funny.  Those things need to be cut, as well, but that's a different rant. 

Second, the instance we have an illegal immigrant who commits a crime, their ass goes back.  Again, I don't want to hear shit about dividing families.  We don't divide them, they chose to risk being divided by committing the crime to begin with.  We don't give people who are actual citizens a break because we might divide their families if they are shipped off to prison, we sure as hell aren't going to do it for people who came here by breaking the law and continue to do so once they are here. And if they want to take their families with them, that can be arranged.

Third, we have to deal with those who may have crossed the border illegally, but have not committed any further crimes.  I do agree we should have some compassion for them, but we can't let them off the hook completely.  They should have 1-2 years to come forward to announce who they are.  We do a background check, if nothing comes up, they are given temporary citizenship, with no right to vote.  If we find an illegal who has not done this within the 1-2 years we give them, they are deported, no excuses.  At this point, those who have come forward can chose to either do what must be done to become a full citizen and pay a small fine to make up for lost taxes or they can leave at the end of the time frame, or they will be deported.  A part of this will actually be enforcing the laws we already have that bar illegals from working.  If they wish to continue to work, they will feel compelled to come forward.  Or if not, not being able to find a job, they will self deport.

And fourth, the laws to become a citizen of the US need to loosened somewhat.  Before, someone didn't need to spend 10s of thousands and hire an immigration lawyer just to make it to the US, but for some reason, many now do.  My guess is this is just another kickback corrupt politicians have setup for their lawyer buddies, and has jack all to do with the safety of the country.  I mean it can't be, since they don't give a shit about the southern border.  There have also been several examples that I have read where someone tries to come into the country legally, and truly wants to be good part of this country, but doesn't meet one of the requirements, so is not allowed to come.  Yet, we continue to allow people who probably meet little or none of the requirements to become a citizen to just cross our border, not show up for a court date (if they are caught), and stay.  That is not only wrong, it is immoral. 



Naum said:
I fear for humankind when I read comments that canadas president is a fool while at the same time praise that orange buffon in the WH.

As do I when I see people going down the same tired leftist routes that history has shown to never work.  But, I guess that is why schools don't really teach history and we are set on destroying it in the name of hurt feelings, instead of learning from it.  It allows those in power to continue to go down those same routes when people don't know how many times they have failed.

deskpro2k3 said:
The misguided elevates the frail, and the frail lead the people astray. Good on Justin Trudeau for putting that woman in her place.

That same saying could be said of Trudeau, you know.



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SpokenTruth said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

What is bigoted about not wanting people to break the law?

Because her comment was about legal immigrants, not illegal immigrants.

No, she was specifically talking about the bill for illegal immigrants.  He called her intolerant and had her removed.  Rather creepy, really.  It’s eerily like the old Church calling you a blasphemer for questioning them.



I'm an immigrant and Canadian citizen today. Now a productive member of society. Others deserve the chances I got so I don't see a problem with shutting her down like that.



Xeon said:
I'm an immigrant and Canadian citizen today. Now a productive member of society. Others deserve the chances I got so I don't see a problem with shutting her down like that.

Did you enter illegally?



Xeon said:
I'm an immigrant and Canadian citizen today. Now a productive member of society. Others deserve the chances I got so I don't see a problem with shutting her down like that.

OK, but what country did you emigrate from?



thismeintiel said:
Machiavellian said:

So what is the solution you would present for illegal immigration.  I am just wondering because I continue to read that people are all for legal immigration but what would you consider the standard.  Also putting illegal immigrants into prison, do you believe this is the route to success.  If you supported how Trump handled the border and believe that is the way to go, do you also support taken away their children, kicking out the parents or locking them up and not having a means to bring them back together.  Do you support such policy and how we should handle any and all illegal immigration or is this only for the border.

The solution is rather simple.  Sadly, no one has the balls to do it.  Maybe Trump will, but we'll see.

First thing is first, plug up the leak.  There's no point bailing a sinking ship one bucket at a time when gallons are pouring in.  Put up an actual border fence.  Double fence, in fact, that is buried several feet down and with enough space to drive vehicles in between, allowing border patrol to patrol the border in vehicles.  Hire more border patrol if needed.  And I don't want to hear any bullshit about cost.  This government spends so much damn money on bullshit that doesn't pertain to their #1 job of protecting citizens, it's not even funny.  Those things need to be cut, as well, but that's a different rant. 

Second, the instance we have an illegal immigrant who commits a crime, their ass goes back.  Again, I don't want to hear shit about dividing families.  We don't divide them, they chose to risk being divided by committing the crime to begin with.  We don't give people who are actual citizens a break because we might divide their families if they are shipped off to prison, we sure as hell aren't going to do it for people who came here by breaking the law and continue to do so once they are here. And if they want to take their families with them, that can be arranged.

Third, we have to deal with those who may have crossed the border illegally, but have not committed any further crimes.  I do agree we should have some compassion for them, but we can't let them off the hook completely.  They should have 1-2 years to come forward to announce who they are.  We do a background check, if nothing comes up, they are given temporary citizenship, with no right to vote.  If we find an illegal who has not done this within the 1-2 years we give them, they are deported, no excuses.  At this point, those who have come forward can chose to either do what must be done to become a full citizen and pay a small fine to make up for lost taxes or they can leave at the end of the time frame, or they will be deported.  A part of this will actually be enforcing the laws we already have that bar illegals from working.  If they wish to continue to work, they will feel compelled to come forward.  Or if not, not being able to find a job, they will self deport.

And fourth, the laws to become a citizen of the US need to loosened somewhat.  Before, someone didn't need to spend 10s of thousands and hire an immigration lawyer just to make it to the US, but for some reason, many now do.  My guess is this is just another kickback corrupt politicians have setup for their lawyer buddies, and has jack all to do with the safety of the country.  I mean it can't be, since they don't give a shit about the southern border.  There have also been several examples that I have read where someone tries to come into the country legally, and truly wants to be good part of this country, but doesn't meet one of the requirements, so is not allowed to come.  Yet, we continue to allow people who probably meet little or none of the requirements to become a citizen to just cross our border, not show up for a court date (if they are caught), and stay.  That is not only wrong, it is immoral. 

Sounds good to me.  Not still convince on the wall because as with any system, when money is involved, people will find away around it.  You basically will just get the small fries but not the big rings.