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Do you Approve of President Trump?

Yes 42 39.62%
 
No 59 55.66%
 
In the middle. 5 4.72%
 
Total:106

So we're proud now that the president is hated by the majority of the people he's representing. That's a fucking low bar to celebrate.



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captain carot said:
Aeolus451 said:

got NK to release american prisoners and pipes down for nothing but some tweets and a meeting

moved US embassy to Jerusalem

unemployment fell to lowest level in 18 years, black unemployment fell under 6% for the first time ever, economic growth is great.

Just a few examples, but

1. So far North Korea has already benefitted massively  by actually doing nothing. Yeah, great. As it looks they're still building and developing missiles and everything else, it's just now Trump doesn't care.

2. Great move to mess up the whole situation even more, as anyone can see clearly if he/she just looks

3. This, believe it or not, is to a very big part, 'inherited'from the Obama administration. What we can see so far though is, that throwing tons of money into economy by raising the deficit to an alltime high helped economic growth in the short term. Very often that is a short lived straw fire though.

 

What i actually see is Murica getting less and less important globally though. Maybe if the US quit selling weapons to everyone and Russia and China will be able to sell mire it might get totally insignificant with two terms Trump.

1. As long NK behaves, everything is good. Peace is generally a good thing. I'm sure that Japan and South Korea that a quiet  NK is a good thing. More may pan out from it.

2. We can just agree to disagree on this.

3. Actually, notable economists gave the credit to Trump. Trump is not throwing money into the economy as Obama tried. Trump is just letting people keep more of their money and loosened restrictions that hurt businesses. Everyone is better off.



vivster said:
So we're proud now that the president is hated by the majority of the people he's representing. That's a fucking low bar to celebrate.

Lol. Obama's had a similar approval rating.



Aeolus451 said:
vivster said:
So we're proud now that the president is hated by the majority of the people he's representing. That's a fucking low bar to celebrate.

Lol. Obama's had a similar approval rating.

I guess that means approval ratings don't mean anything in the US?



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vivster said:
Aeolus451 said:

Lol. Obama's had a similar approval rating.

I guess that means approval ratings don't mean anything in the US?

It doesn't mean what you think it means. It's a decent score regardless. It's cnn's poll btw. There's other polls with lower or higher scores. He has a really high approval rating with conservatives and a rating comparable to Obama from the polls I've seen. 



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Aeolus451 said:

1. As long NK behaves, everything is good. Peace is generally a good thing. I'm sure that Japan and South Korea that a quiet  NK is a good thing. More may pan out from it.

2. We can just agree to disagree on this.

3. Actually, notable economists gave the credit to Trump. Trump is not throwing money into the economy as Obama tried. Trump is just letting people keep more of their money and loosened restrictions that hurt businesses. Everyone is better off.

1. Nothing has changed on the DPRK front. They are still developing weapons. Time will tell if there was a breakthrough, but the history of dealing with the Kim family should leave no one confident. And pulling from the Iran deal, however one felt about it before. establishes the USA as an unreliable partner in security deals.

The DPRK spent a large sum of time and capital developing nuclear weapons. These weapons establish several things - the USA is unlikely to invade, regardless of rhetoric (security) political legitimacy (a summit would never have occurred under any other circumstance), and black mail for aid. Only one nation has ever produced nuclear weapons and voluntarily dismantled them (South Africa). Why would the DPRK give up their ONLY bargaining chip, the one that has given them a seat at the table?

2. Movement of the embassy is symbolic but unlikely to change much. 

3.  So much is wrong with this statement, I don't know were to begin. I will try to be succint;

- Presidents in the immediate have minor affects on the economy. Policy changes takes years to fully realize.

- the Job growth was higher in the last 19 months of Obama's term than the first 19 months of Trumps, although I wouldn't credit Trump (or discredit him) since the trajectory has been consistent since 2010.

- The budget is on pace to double in one year. With unemployment at 4% (a post war low), there is little justification for this. There is no external crisis (market crash, global conflict) driving this. A downturn in the economy (based on typical business cycles, is highly possible in the short term) would place even more pressure on the budget, and drive inflation even further. Obama also had high deficits (with the housing crisis), and should have allowed the Bush tax cuts to expire to bring the budget back in line, but the deficit was steadily coming down after the first couple years of the housing crisis. The Trump/Ryan budget/tax cut, however, we will be paying for a generation.

- As for Trump letting us keep more of our money, that depends on how much money you already earn. Sure, if you earn over 200k, you did great under the tax plan. But for ordinary people, the tax savings are minor, and have already been eliminated by the rise in gas prices. People who earn less are more affected by inflation, which is rising, for many reasons, such as good economy, but also the budget deficit that will drive up interest rates.

 

All this without even touching on the shameful personal behavior and communication of the President. He is a cruel, racist,  xenophobic, boorish, misogynist, know nothing. And thats not even being hyperbolic. .



PwerlvlAmy said:
Megiddo said:
Deficit is increasing like crazy. Hilarious for a 'conservative' to be spending so much money and taking the whole country further into the red. Has started a trade war with America's largest trading partners. He has degraded trust in American leadership on the global scale by constantly belittling our allies in NATO and has shown unparalleled admiration for dictatorial leaders like Vladimir Putin and Kim-Jong Un. He implemented policy to separate young children from their parents.

Would love to hear specific examples of the 'good for the country' @Aeolus451 Do you have any or do you merely speak in vague nonsense?

i suggest steering clear of attacks. 

 

same goes for you @aeolus. please keep generalizations away. 

Attacking an argument is not attacking a user. 



PwerlvlAmy said:
Megiddo said:
Deficit is increasing like crazy. Hilarious for a 'conservative' to be spending so much money and taking the whole country further into the red. Has started a trade war with America's largest trading partners. He has degraded trust in American leadership on the global scale by constantly belittling our allies in NATO and has shown unparalleled admiration for dictatorial leaders like Vladimir Putin and Kim-Jong Un. He implemented policy to separate young children from their parents.

Would love to hear specific examples of the 'good for the country' @Aeolus451 Do you have any or do you merely speak in vague nonsense?

i suggest steering clear of attacks. 

 

same goes for you @aeolus. please keep generalizations away. 

Generalizations? What I posted originally is an observational reality. The media is constantly bashing him. He's doing good. The left is reacting hysterically to him. Also, Megiddo wasn't attacking me. He just mistakenly mischaracterised my opinion. 



Megiddo said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

i suggest steering clear of attacks. 

 

same goes for you @aeolus. please keep generalizations away. 

Attacking an argument is not attacking a user. 

just keep in mind what I stated and you're golden and good to go! :)



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Rab said:
Well the people loved hitler too, so it can say more about us the people when we choose certain leaders                               

Ahhh..., I love the smell of reason and rationale.