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Do you Approve of President Trump?

Yes 42 39.62%
 
No 59 55.66%
 
In the middle. 5 4.72%
 
Total:106
Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:

I said I was not going to argue every point.  I actually was just interested in what you saw as good coming from this President.  Since its an opinion, not everything needs to be argued, I was just genuinely interested just in case I missed something.

Then please don't ask silly questions like "who is this everyone" or other redundant questions that you can answer yourself. I get annoyed by being asked to answer something that's self-evident. I rather answer questions that move the discussion forward  or shed light on a different aspect of the topic. I already wrote out a list earlier of what I think Trump has accomplished. Depending on where you stand politically, that list is good, bad or doesn't exist.

Lol, whatever.  You make a generalize statement and you call it silly when someone ask you for more information.  Anyone can say, everyone believes this or that with no actual stats to back it up.  Why don't you stop making generalize statements that way you do not have to get mad when people ask you what the heck do you mean.  Maybe if you provide more actual relevant data you do not have to get annoyed by what you believe is self-evident.  I thought you had hard facts but again it's what I feel more than anything else.  I thought you had some type of barometer to show Trump success so far and accomplishments but it appears I was mistaken.  In the end you did not provide anything but you want everyone to believe in his accomplishments and your self-evident belief that everyone sees what you see.



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President Trump has ended conflicts in Syria and North Korea, has record job growth, record unemployment levels especially for minorities like blacks. This contrasts to his opponent who wanted to treat Russian cyber-attacks the same as military attacks... essentially bringing us into World War 3. To say that I approve of Trump's record to date, especially given the alternative, is an understatement.



Illusion said:
President Trump has ended conflicts in Syria and North Korea, has record job growth, record unemployment levels especially for minorities like blacks. This contrasts to his opponent who wanted to treat Russian cyber-attacks the same as military attacks... essentially bringing us into World War 3. To say that I approve of Trump's record to date, especially given the alternative, is an understatement.

What military conflicts has Trump ended in Syria and North Korea? I'm not quite sure you understand what the definition of 'end' is.



o_O.Q said:
Final-Fan said:

Oh, you think he's exposed his lack of thought on the subject?  Let me educate you. 

First off, it seems weird to me to measure the the cut in unemployment in Obama's term by the metric of eight years when unemployment definitely didn't peak on Day 1 of his presidency, but whatever.  Let's go ahead and give that one to you for now.  Stack the example in Trump's favor. 

So if unemployment during Obama's presidency maxed out at 10%, and dropped to 4.7% by the end of his term, that's a drop of 5.3%.  So the cut in unemployment was 5.3% for Obama and 0.8% for Trump.  But it's true that this is across different amounts of time. 

One and a half years for Trump, you say?  How much bigger is 8 compared to 1.5?  Coincidentally, it's 5.3 times bigger.  So if you multiply Trump's cut in unemployment by 5.3, you get ... 4.3%.  Less than Obama.  Remember, this is with the time factor stacked in Trump's favor. 

Now, people could object that it's not a fair comparison because realistically speaking there's a limit to how far unemployment can actually drop (0% unemployment is basically impossible), but that's not relevant to the claim that unemployment has dropped faster under Trump, which is demonstrably false.  (Clearly, since I just demonstrated it.)   

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"First off, it seems weird to me to measure the the cut in unemployment in Obama's term by the metric of eight years when unemployment definitely didn't peak on Day 1 of his presidency, but whatever.  Let's go ahead and give that one to you for now."

but i didn't? he did? i in response expressed how asinine it is to compare ~1.5 years to ~8 years

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"One and a half years for Trump, you say?  How much bigger is 8 compared to 1.5?  Coincidentally, it's 5.3 times bigger.  So if you multiply Trump's cut in unemployment by 5.3, you get ... 4.3%"

again this is an asinine comparison... you really expect that employment rates are going to follow a constant progression?

 
i personally wouldn't be surprised if unemployment rates followed an EXPONENTIAL decrease moving forwards with time until trump finally slays that dragon once and for all sword and shield in hand

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but that's not relevant to the claim that unemployment has dropped faster under Trump"

under the same time period its a fact and not just a fact but an indisputable fact

1.  You missed my point but it's not that important so let's just move on to the other stuff. 

2.  It clearly wasn't "constant", but on overage unemployment dropped faster under Obama than under Trump. 

2b.  That is complete insanity.  Even the idea that there is any realistic CHANCE of it happening is complete insanity.  I can only hope that when this inevitably fails to happen that it will shake your blind faith in President Trump.  Or maybe you're trolling. 

3.  Did you not understand that I spoke of the average over time for Obama's presidency?  Do you not understand what an average is?  If the average was faster under Obama for 8 years compared to how fast it was under Trump for 1.5 years, then it's mathematically impossible for there to not be a 1.5 year period in Obama's presidency where unemployment dropped at least as fast as it did under Trump.  (Actually, faster.) 



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Illusion said:
President Trump has ended conflicts in Syria and North Korea, has record job growth, record unemployment levels especially for minorities like blacks. This contrasts to his opponent who wanted to treat Russian cyber-attacks the same as military attacks... essentially bringing us into World War 3. To say that I approve of Trump's record to date, especially given the alternative, is an understatement.

What conflict was there in North Korea.  They still have their bombs.  Nothing seems to be stopping them from making any more bombs.  Yes they destroyed test sites but then again, you do not need test sites anymore when you can make the bombs.  Nothing was done with NK, we did not get them to sign anything to remove their nukes from the playing field and since this has been an ongoing thing for decades, why has anything changed now.  As for Syria, they still have their civil war, the only thing is that russia is now their patron saint so the US has decided to move on.  I guess you can call that a win.

I give you record job growth and unemployment but then again its not like it wasn't steadily going in that direction before he came into office.  At least we can agree he didn't do anything to screw it up.  Why people keep throwing black people into this category as if lower unemployment would not be representative for all people in the US.

I am sorry but if you believe that cyber attacks isn't considered a military attack, you have no clue about how our world is run.  Every nation has a cyber attack squad because infiltration of information, disruption of financial, political and utility systems is a direct means to hurt anyone.  We were never close to WW3 but you definitely do not let any state sponsored attack on your nation be considered some off hand attack and ignore it.



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Donutsticks said:
I voted for him :D

good



I don't approve of Trump because he's an idiot. He acts like knows what he's talking about to get everyone on his side excited, but at the end of the day, he knows very little. I don't expect the president to know everything because that is what the people he hires around him are for, but they keep hiring people, like Peter Navarro, who are not qualified for their position. As of now, Trump is riding the success of the last president, but in a couple years, shit is going to hit the fan.



smroadkill15 said:
I don't approve of Trump because he's an idiot. He acts like knows what he's talking about to get everyone on his side excited, but at the end of the day, he knows very little. I don't expect the president to know everything because that is what the people he hires around him are for, but they keep hiring people, like Peter Navarro, who are not qualified for their position. As of now, Trump is riding the success of the last president, but in a couple years, shit is going to hit the fan.

What success?

He had the highest unemployment rate in recent history and racked up more debt. He did nothing for the black community either.

I always felt like Obama cared more about pandering to celebrities and appearing on chat shows rather than actually doing his job.



RJTM1991 said:
smroadkill15 said:
I don't approve of Trump because he's an idiot. He acts like knows what he's talking about to get everyone on his side excited, but at the end of the day, he knows very little. I don't expect the president to know everything because that is what the people he hires around him are for, but they keep hiring people, like Peter Navarro, who are not qualified for their position. As of now, Trump is riding the success of the last president, but in a couple years, shit is going to hit the fan.

What success?

He had the highest unemployment rate in recent history and racked up more debt. He did nothing for the black community either.

I always felt like Obama cared more about pandering to celebrities and appearing on chat shows rather than actually doing his job.

Just wondering but what unemployment rate are you referring to his first 4 years or his last.  Also, I thought Obama was the president for all Americans not just black Americans, exactly as president what did you expect him to do for the black community.



RJTM1991 said:
smroadkill15 said:
I don't approve of Trump because he's an idiot. He acts like knows what he's talking about to get everyone on his side excited, but at the end of the day, he knows very little. I don't expect the president to know everything because that is what the people he hires around him are for, but they keep hiring people, like Peter Navarro, who are not qualified for their position. As of now, Trump is riding the success of the last president, but in a couple years, shit is going to hit the fan.

What success?

He had the highest unemployment rate in history and racked up more debt. He did nothing for the black community either.

I always felt like Obama cared more about pandering to celebrities and appearing on chat shows rather than actually doing his job.

*sigh*  No, he didn't even come close to the highest unemployment rates in history.  But if you want to talk unemployment, you can't forget we had a massive global recession before he took office.  He inherited a rising unemployment economy.

Notice the stock market?  Interesting trajectory, no?

And debt/deficits.  Obama had massive deficits because of the recession.  Notice how they fell year on year as he tried to get things balanced again?  And now what trajectory we are on thanks to Trump yet without a recession?

 

 

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