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Should Nintendo try it's hand at "mature casual games"?

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Podings said:

I totally know what you're saying, but your two examples are anything but casual.
Nintendo did make some strides in adult casual, with games like Brain Age and Wii Fit, and some of the other stuff on Wii and DS.
At least if you mean casual in the retention-over-time way that it's used in mobile games now. And adult as in not really appealing to children.

They have apparently found this particular kind of successes quite hard to replicate though. They still have casual stuff like their mobile games of course, even if it's not utilitarian in the same way. And something like FE Heroes isn't something I'd say really have much appeal to children. At least, the children I know play Pokémon Go instead.

Now, OP mentions stuff like Hotel Dusk. And that I could dig. I liked the Trace Memory games a lot. But the target demographic was apparently so narrow that Nintendo eventually stopped working with Cing. Visually pleasant puzzlers like Monument Valley is something I'd personally also categorize as adult casual, and those I like a lot. I'd like for more of the stylish puzzlers from iOS to make it over, or for Nintendo to introduce some of their own.

Hidden object games with murder mystery stories could also fall in that category. And I think there's a few already on Switch? At least there was on Wii U. These fall quite far outside of anything Nintendo's been making though, but it'd be great to see them shape up the genre.

Of course, if what people are REALLY talking about in here is mostly story based adventure games with simple puzzles and a lot of character interaction, which both Night in the Woods and Hotel Dusk essentially are, then that's a genre that directly goes against most of the mantras that Miyamoto champions. Not saying they won't do it, but it hasn't ever really happened in-house. Cing was the only dev in the genre they ever really published for, and they're gone now. :/

Miyamoto doesn't run Nintendo's in-house development anymore, Shinya Takahashi does. Takahashi came from SPD, which specialized in working with developers like Cing with these kinds of games. SPD and EAD merged in 2015 to form Nintendo EPD, so we could see more games like that come from Nintendo's in-house teams.

Takahashi tends to be more of a risk taker than Miyamoto, willing to green-light titles that have no mass market appeal, but do help diversify the library, whereas Miyamoto was always about appealing to the widest audience. 



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Continually looking backwards to the Wii/DS isn't the answer for Nintendo. Switch is a very different time and in a very different market. Make more games that skew towards an older audience? Sure, you have an older fan base now it just makes sense to provide some what edgier content. But it doesn't have to be "mature casual".

What they should be looking at is Fortnite and putting their own take on a genre like that. That will move systems. Club House Games or something ... not really.



TheMisterManGuy said: 
Miyamoto doesn't run Nintendo's in-house development anymore, Shinya Takahashi does. Takahashi came from SPD, which specialized in working with developers like Cing with these kinds of games. SPD and EAD merged in 2015 to form Nintendo EPD, so we could see more games like that come from Nintendo's in-house teams.

Takahashi tends to be more of a risk taker than Miyamoto, willing to green-light titles that have no mass market appeal, but do help diversify the library, whereas Miyamoto was always about appealing to the widest audience. 


Takahashi's a cool guy, and I hope you're on to something here. 

Splatoon 2 did go rather dark and story heavy with the Octo Expansion.

Personally, I'm not getting my hopes up for more Nintendo published adventure games, and the Switch does already have quite a portfolio in the genre anyway.
However, if I'm forced to be an optimist, re-releases of the Cing games might be brought out if they can get them out of legal limbo, and any interest they garner will sow seeds for the future. And Nintendo did just refresh their Japanese trademarks for both 
Another Code and Endless Ocean, the first of which is Cing's Trace Memory outside of the Americas, and the latter of which certainly fits the adult casual bill as well. 



Soundwave said:

Continually looking backwards to the Wii/DS isn't the answer for Nintendo. Switch is a very different time and in a very different market. Make more games that skew towards an older audience? Sure, you have an older fan base now it just makes sense to provide some what edgier content. But it doesn't have to be "mature casual".

What they should be looking at is Fortnite and putting their own take on a genre like that. That will move systems. Club House Games or something ... not really.

Who says you can't do both. I don't want Nintendo to just be a mindless trend follower, I'd rather them create unique and wacky shit above all else. Besides, even if some of them aren't Mario Odyssey mega hits, they still help diversify the library and can still be successful on their own. 



Podings said: 

Takahashi's a cool guy, and I hope you're on to something here. 


Splatoon 2 did go rather dark and story heavy with the Octo Expansion.

Yeah, Octo Expansion was fucked up. I don't think you'd see anything like that happen under Miyamoto during the Wii U days. 



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Mnementh said:
TomaTito said:

You mean the Touch! Generations games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Touch!_Generations_titles
Art Academy, Brain Age, Clubhouse Games, Crosswords, Endless Ocean, Wii series...

I would love for a card game like Clubhouse to return and Endless Ocean too.

Endless Ocean in HD could be awesome.

There was this:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/08/nintendo_applies_for_endless_ocean_trademark_in_japan_could_this_wii_title_resurface_from_the_deep

Maybe a remaster or hopefully a sequel.



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Soundwave said:

Continually looking backwards to the Wii/DS isn't the answer for Nintendo. Switch is a very different time and in a very different market. Make more games that skew towards an older audience? Sure, you have an older fan base now it just makes sense to provide some what edgier content. But it doesn't have to be "mature casual".

What they should be looking at is Fortnite and putting their own take on a genre like that. That will move systems. Club House Games or something ... not really.

I'm sceptical about Nintendo should follow successful concepts of others. Best way as I see it, is to develop unique stuff in-house and invite devs like Epic with Fortnite to the platform. That way the library diversifies. If they do in-house the same, we get a lot of games that are very similar.



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Podings said:
robzo100 said:

Could we say that 1-2 Switch was an update on the adult casual genre?

I guess we could, but I don't think it ever really jived with grown-ups the way Wii Sports did. Nor does it really deal in adult/mature themes like what OP is describing.

And even Wii Sports had a surprising amount of depth hidden under the hood. More so that 1-2-Switch as least, which is still a really fun game, mind.

Wii Sports had an amaaaazing amount of depth under the hood, culminating with the platinum medals. Lot of modes to boot.

Haven't got my hands on 1-2-Switch, but it felt more "adult" from the outside than Wii Sports. And by "outside" I'm referring to who it was marketed towards.



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Hmm this thread reminded me how I loved hotel dusk, another code, and endless ocean. I would love a sequel to all on switch or even hd remasters