You're right, but Nintendo has built upon those IP's and expanded them in ways Sony never seriously tried. Super Mario Bros became NSMB, Mario 3D, Mario Kart, Paper Mario. Zelda went through all sorts of games with all sorts of approaches. Its not just that Nintendo IP's are old, but they effectively use their IP's in new ways in a sense making spinoff series with characters gamers are already familiar with. Its genius. Absolute genius.

You also can't say Zelda games don't sell because they are Zelda. As good as BOTW is it would have sold a fraction of what it did had it come from any other developer. Its a known fact that a strong IP helps to sell a game and Nintendo has built strong IP's and cultivated them which is why they are so big.

I get what you're saying and i agree it plays a part, its just that your last post made it seem like its the one and only reason which i disagree with.

I think a game like Dreams can sell 10+ Million if everything falls into place. Same with GoT. Regardless, this generation has been a major leap for Sony, games like UC & GoW have been reestablished as heavy hitters (leap from 5 Million into 10+ Million), new IP's like Horizon are massive, while TLoU2 has INSANE sales potential. This is all with GT declining but even then a main entry is different from a spin - off.  

Edit: Didn't include Spiderman since its not a first party title. But it will definitely sell 10 Million+.

Yep, I agree. And don't forget Bloodborne. For me Sony with those games is the new Nintendo and they dethroned them.

Specifically Bloodborne is for me like the new Super Mario 64 or Zelda 64 of videogames. Mario and Zelda on Switch are great games, but nothing groundbreaking, just a a new polish and well known game mechanism and some novelty (borrowed from others games, Far Cry 4 for Zelda). They are Kind of highly polished re-imagined remakes. That's what Nintendo mostly do with their franchises. Except Splatoon which is a real new Nintendo game though.

I'll address these points in reverse order.

4. You put "at Ninty Level" in the title of this thread.  This means you are comparing Sony first party to Nintendo first party.  They are not on the same level.  I am trying to show you what is "at Ninty level".  Perhaps you don't realize how big Ninty first party actually is?  All of the games you mentioned in your first post are what I would call "second tier".  Zelda and 3D Mario are also second tier.  If you want to compare those Sony games to Zelda and 3D Mario then that is fine.  But Nintendo has much bigger first party games than that like Pokemon, 2D Mario and Mario Kart.

3.  This is not Sony's best first party performance.  Gran Turismo 3 sold 15m.  When they actually get a PS4 first party game to 15m, then we can talk.  They aren't there yet.

1&2. A) I didn't mean to compare shipped with sold through.  In the rest of our discussion I will just stick with VGC numbers to compare likes with likes.  However even when the data is adjusted none of the points I've made are nullified.

1&2 b)  GTA V is not a different beast of a game.  It has sold 90m+ plus copies, because its on many platforms.  Minecraft has even sold 100m+ copies.  Do you think it could do that on one platform?  No way in hell!  A fair comparison is single platform to single platform, or even two platform totals to two platform totals.  Comparing sales on one platform to another game on 5+ platforms is not a fair comparison.

So lets compare two platform totals then.  (I know you realize that all of these numbers are going to be bigger, because they are the sum of two platforms.)

GTAV (PS3) + GTAV (PS4) = 20.3m + 18.2m = 38.5m
Pokemon Gold/Silver (GB) + Pokeom Heartgold/Soulsilver (DS) = 23.1m + 11.8m = 34.9m

Look, both of these games have sold in the 30m - 40m range on two platforms.  GTA V is even better.  Good for it!  But selling 30m - 40m on two platforms is very big deal, so I would put both of these games in the same top tier.  Do you know what game doesn't belong in this tier?  The Last of Us.

TLoU (PS3) + TLoU (PS4) = 6.3m + 6.3m = 12.6m  (using VGC numbers)

Wow, that is not even close to either Pokemon or GTA V.  TLoU is not "at Ninty level".  Sony knows this!  Sony doesn't even expect their first party games to be "at Ninty level".  This is why I am mentioning GTA V.  Sony expects games like GTA V to sell "at Ninty level".  GTA V is Sony's heaviest hitter, right?  When you compare GTA V on a single platform then you see it sells like a Pokemon or Mario Kart or 2D Mario game.  Those are Nintendo's heaviest hitters. 

Instead Sony first party is more like Nintendo second tier: Zelda, 3D Mario, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, etc....  If you are saying that Sony first party is like Nintendo's second tier, then I agree.  But Sony's top first party games are NOT at the same level as Nintendo's top first party games.  Sony first party is not really "at Ninty level".  Because when you actually compare likes to likes, then you realize that "Ninty level" is the same as "GTA level".  Gran Theft Auto: San Andreas sold 20.8m, another top tier game.  Gran Theft Auto can sell 20m+ on a single platform.  That's really impressive.  But Nintendo has had many games that have sold 20m+ on a single platform.  That is why GTA level is on the same as tier as "Ninty level".  Sony first party is not on this level.

Sony is actually outdoing Nintendo nowadays, it's just that it's pretty complicated to make the comparison, you have to think about a lot of factors. For example:
1)Sony gets all the third party stuff. This means that their first party titles have to fight for their place in a massive jungle of heavy hitters like GTAs, FPS blockbusters and major sports games and whatnot. I'd like to see how Nintendo would do in a similar environment, because they have traditionally had a nice little garden of their own where there is relatively little else of note to buy but their own first party titles. There are actual droughts, so at times they have to grasp at whatever Nintendo sends their way. No such problems on the other platforms, where there is a problem of abundance at times. Sure, the Switch seems to be changing this with increased third party support, so we will see how it will affect things.
2)Most of Nintendo's heavy hitters are things like Mario, Carts, Tennis and Smash, which are fairly simplistic in their mechanics and gameplay. They appeal to the lowest common denominator of easy to pick up games. They are more "for everyone", whereas things like TLOU clearly aren't. So for TLOU to sell 10M copies reqires a heck of a lot more effort than it does for something that appeals to a much wider audience just by its very nature alone. This also pertains to the much touted polish of Nintendo games, as it is undoubtedly much easier to polish a simplistic game with a narrow scope, compared to a massive game with more realistic artstyle and complex mechanics.
Does all this sound contrived? Perhaps. Perhaps it means that we are trying to compare apples and oranges in a way. But Sony is clearly outcompeting Microsoft in the first party department and I would actually be interested to see how Nintendo would measure up, if their console was operating in the same space as the two others. If all three consoles were on the same page in terms of third party support, power and such, and Nintendo would have to come up with new first party titles with the same scope as in Sony's offerings, would they be able to perform as well?

So they aren't actually outdoing them, you just think Sony is more impressive. 

I think Sony is beyond better than Nintendo when it comes to first party.. but the truth is nintendo has maintained and developed their age old ip's into a brand.. which sony has somehow neglected or failed to do. and brand sells
Even a well know exclusive IP could sell bonkers on a failing system People keep pointing out wii u and how first party game sold well. care to point out how many new IP's did those same number as MK8 or Smash. On the other hand MGS4 a well known exclusive sold 5 million copies by 2009 on PS3 and everybody knows where ps3 was in its early days.

So only if Sony had maintained a franchise like Nintendo since PS1 days we could have seen the same level of sale success. And to prove that point look at Crash remaster. Uncharted a gen old franchise, last mainline entry is probably above 10 million, God of war reboot fastest selling game in PS history! Gran turismo! Imagine if Sony had invested in its old IP's like Medival, Socom, Parappa the rapper, Patapon, Spyro, Crash, Getaway, Syphon filter, warhawk. instead they choose wrong IP's and poor marketing tactics which killed many of the great franchise.

So in short Nintendo is no where close in terms of delivering a brand new Ip as sony. And sony is no where near nintendo in terms of established IP, But Sony in this gen is close to nintendo in terms of making IP's into a brand.. and sony will bear the fruits with HZD2, GoW2, TLoU2.. but the real question is will sony be able to maintain level of quality like nintendo has, over longer period of time?, or run it into the ground by switching over to a different studio like halo, golden Abyss and LBP3

No. Back then Mario 3, Super Mario Kart, Zelda ALTTP, Mario 64 and Zelda 64 were both the most impressive games and the best available games. Now the most impressive games, while being the best games out there, are often only available on PS3/PS4 with TLOU, Bloodborne or God of War.

In that sense Sony is the new Nintendo. Nintendo don't do ambitious and impressive games nowadays, mostly re-imagined (or not) highly polished and improved remakes (Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Smash, Pokemon). Splatoon is really a new Nintendo franchise, but it's not an impressive game.

Yes because that is just one game. PS3 and PS4 practically plays the same and the release of Last of us remaster is 1 year apart from the PS3 release date.
So why can't I use that and then we compare it to the likes of combined sales of Pokemon X and Y and Sun and moon?

Yes, please do that.  I am glad you subscribed. Atleast someone will notice if I update the number.

I am referring to the overall sales of 3DS games on the chart I provided. 
4 games I highlighted has the combined sales of 28M of known number with estimate for last of us and all those are sold thru customer. We are not even counting the sales of other games like GTS, Bloodborne, Detroit, infamous and etc.

How is it disingenuous when I am speaking with over all sales? Last of us is just one game that release on 2 Playstation platform.
Yes, we can do that but it will not invalidate that Last of us sold 17M to consumers and it's matching a lot of Nintendo game.

I think I raffled some feathers already, It seems I triggered some of them and I feel I said something bad or something. 

The bold is true before it's only GT but now we have a lot of contenders.
But still Sony still need to ramp up their output. Especially Japan studios. I want them to release big game.

Let me start with 
https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/14/17465488/the-last-of-us-sales-17-million-ps3-ps4

A Sony representative told Polygon that the figure consists of units sold through to customers.

That will be as accurate as you can get. That will be your best source because the numbers came from Sony it self and yeah that's Pokemon level.
and Why are we combining the sales of Silver and Gold  again? 

So now let's dicuss GTA V.
If we use Last of us VGC number here. 12.6M that leaves us 4.4M of digital sales for TloU, so with that in mind. Do you think with the caliber of of GTA V digital sales will be a non factor?
You cannot just use retail copies of GTA V only because there's huge chunk of sale that are being left out.
And to answer your question about GTA V being multi-platform it might not reach 95M with just one platform but If this was exclusive to PS4 then it will not just sell 25+M but it might sell 40M - 50M+

The fact that GTA V stiill charts in NPD and Pal charts further proves my point and beating a lot of games on the process.

Also, did you really added the sales of the Pokemon remake? Are we comparing a straight port to remakes now just to prove a point? Wow just wow.

 Original  remake. 

 original  remake

And the remake added a lot of features that's not on the original. Do you even want me to do a rundown for you and how Soul silver and heart gold also included a lot of Pokemon that is not on the original?

 Practically the same game with upscaled GFX. Do you spot significant difference?

  Practically the same game