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Forums - Sony Discussion - Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

KazumaKiryu on 11 August 2018
NoCtiS_NoX said:

Uncharted 4 - 8.7 Million  as of 2016 (could be more than 10M already) 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/01/05/uncharted-4-a-thiefs-end-sold-an-unbelievable-amount-of-copies-in-2016/

I cannot see other info. about it google fu is weak.

 

Horizon Zero Dawn -7.6 Million  ( High chance of over 10M Life time)
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/2018/02/28/horizon-zero-dawn-surpasses-7-6-million-sales-worldwide-ahead-of-its-1st-birthday/

 

God of War PS4 - 5 million first month ( with it legs possibly 7 Million by now, fastest selling PS4 game since 1995 according to NPD)
http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/05/25/god-of-war-sales-top-5-million-in-the-first-month

 

The Last of Us - 17 million ( the monster) 
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2018/06/14/the-last-of-us-sales-17-million-copies-ps3-ps4/

With Spiderman PS4, Ghost of Tsushima, Last of Us 2, Days gone, Death Stranding I guess Sony will be on the roll for selling a lot of games with more than 10 million on it's belt.

Sony cultivated it's first party from PS3 era. The great thing that happened with PS3 era is Sony learned a lot of lessons. Strengthening their 1st party and it's paying dividends right now. Although I hate them for closing a lot of Studios on the process and closing Zipper interactive IMO is one of the worst decision they made. Imagine what games they will make in today's market full of coop team based games. They could have a dev dedicated in creating multiplayer games.

Anyway, I am also amazed that today they are competing with Nintendo's 1st party games in term of sales. When you argue pre- PS4 that 1st party of Sony will be big in terms of sales they will laugh at you and the only rebuttal you can make is Gran Turismo. 

I hope Sony will add more studios at their arsenal. They still need more. We need more Ips from them because they still lack games in terms of other genre and especially the co-op based games and multiplayer side. I missed the days when Sony is releasing  a lot of games left and right. I also hope they will revived their old IPs as well because there are a lot of gems on PS1 and PS2 era.

With generation ending the battle for next gen is closing and with MS 1st party ramping up they will need to bring their quadruple A next gen.

Sorry for my poor English and grammar. 

A big success :) My honest opinion: Sony shows a lot of passion. Why i think this ? Sony has the biggest games / having the highest development costs. AAA-games like "The Last of Us(2)", "Uncharted 4", "Horizon Zero Dawn", "God of War", the new "Spiderman" and "Ghost of Tsushima" are very impressive and have great love to detail, because for Sony is important: Amazing Gameplay with fantastic story and interesting characters. They have spent significantly more effort than Nintendo and Microsoft in recent years. One of the big reasons why many players are so happy with their PlayStation 4. The motto is: Games, Games, Games!

AbrahamHamdan said:
I hope Spiderman and death stranding follow this trend

I'm sure :) And both are Day 1 for me.

axumblade said:
Qwark said:
Spiderman is up next to join that list, which is great for Insomniac too

Insomniac really do deserve all the success they have gotten. I am so excited for Spider-Man. 

I have high hopes for Ghost of Tsushima as well but I don't think it can get to Uncharted/God of War/Horizon: Zero Dawn/Spider-Man level of mainstream. I'm still hoping it does though because it's gorgeous. 

Spiderman could be Game of the Year with God of War. It will be 100% the best Spiderman-game of all time and MAYBE the best superhero action game ever.

BoseDK said:

Sony first party had already far surpassed Nintendo in terms of critical acclaim last generation (Hell even MS was more consistent than Nintendo last generation), it's only a matter of time before they do it in sales as well.
With games like Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Last of Us II, Death Stranding still on the way it seems all but certain.

Interesting thought. 2019 will be extremely strong too :)

Shadow1980 said:
Sony definitely stepped it up this generation. I'd say the PS4 is their best system yet. I finally got around to playing Horizon Zero Dawn, and I'm having a lot of fun with it so far.

HZW, cool :) My favorite console is PS4 and PS2, because so many games are fantastic. Especially the PS4 games are impressive - it's great to see that the effort and a lot of work / effort is rewarded with good sales numbers :) Enjoy the summer with HZD, wish you the best :) Yakuza Kiwami 2 this month, in september Dragon Quest XI and Spiderman on PS4 for me.



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ArchangelMadzz on 11 August 2018

Single player games sellllll.



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Ruggarell on 11 August 2018

Why don't you people realize not everyone gives a damn about souls games? I'm a fan but it's not for everyone seriously. They are very engrossing but very off-putting for most in many ways. 



The_Liquid_Laser on 11 August 2018
pokoko said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I am talking about which games do the best job of selling a PS4.  Do more PS4's get sold because of The Last of US or GTA5?  Nothing disingenuous about talking about one platform, since we are comparing it to first party line-up.

Do more Nintendo consoles get sold because of their games or because of their gimmicks?  We've seen this before.  Vanilla Nintendo consoles without third-party support don't make it on the strength of their games alone, either.  If Sony lost third-party support then they'd have to change their strategy, same as Nintendo did.  Likewise, a Nintendo with full third-party support would gradually see sales for some first-party games begin to ebb, especially if they kept to their strategy of no price drops.  You can't compare peaches to cats 1:1 and expect to pull anything meaningful from it.

Consoles get sold because of quality games.  I would think someone would learn this just by being on the VGC forum for a while.



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pokoko on 11 August 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said:
pokoko said:

Do more Nintendo consoles get sold because of their games or because of their gimmicks?  We've seen this before.  Vanilla Nintendo consoles without third-party support don't make it on the strength of their games alone, either.  If Sony lost third-party support then they'd have to change their strategy, same as Nintendo did.  Likewise, a Nintendo with full third-party support would gradually see sales for some first-party games begin to ebb, especially if they kept to their strategy of no price drops.  You can't compare peaches to cats 1:1 and expect to pull anything meaningful from it.

Consoles get sold because of quality games.  I would think someone would learn this just by being on the VGC forum for a while.

You'd also think that someone on VGC would be aware of history.  After third-party support left Nintendo, their history has been extremely up and down.  Because their games have been great one gen and then completely suck the next?  That's unlikely.  The Nintendo vanilla boxes have done poorly while the products with the biggest tilts away from traditional home gaming consoles have done much better.  Do you think that's a coincidence?  The Switch and Wii are examples of the console form factor being every bit as important as games when it comes to brand success.  



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Heavenly_King on 11 August 2018

GOW will reach 15M on PS4 only. with PS5 version it should reach 30M
Spiderman will easily reach 10M; and with great promo it has the potential of selling 20M on PS4 only considering it is a well know character.
GOT will most likely reach 10M, but I think it is hard for it to do more than that. Unless it gets hundreds of 10/10 and great promo.



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The_Liquid_Laser on 11 August 2018
pokoko said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Consoles get sold because of quality games.  I would think someone would learn this just by being on the VGC forum for a while.

You'd also think that someone on VGC would be aware of history.  After third-party support left Nintendo, their history has been extremely up and down.  Because their games have been great one gen and then completely suck the next?  That's unlikely.  The Nintendo vanilla boxes have done poorly while the products with the biggest tilts away from traditional home gaming consoles have done much better.  Do you think that's a coincidence?  The Switch and Wii are examples of the console form factor being every bit as important as games when it comes to brand success.  

(referring to bold) That is exactly what has happened on Nintendo home consoles.  Nintendo first party games were far more popular on the Wii than they were on the Gamecube and Wii U.  Wii Sports was an incredible hit.  The Gamecube and Wii U didn't have any game that became a huge cultural phenomenon like Wii Sports.  Not coincidentally, the Wii had a lot more third party games, including a lot more 1m+ sellers than the Gamecube or Wii U. 

And that is how the Nintendo business model has always worked.  They always rely on the strength of their first party games (or lack thereof) to sell hardware.  During the NES and SNES era, Nintendo had very strong first party sales.  This lead to a lot of third party titles on their platform.  In fact the NES had even stronger first party sales than the SNES era, and the NES had even stronger third party support than SNES.  Third party support on Nintendo consoles is essentially proportional to the strength of its first party sales.  This has always been Nintendo's console strategy from the beginning: use first party games to drive hardware sales.

Sony, on the other hand, uses a different strategy.  They try to attract extremely popular third party games, while also supplementing their library with good first party games.  This model goes all the way back to the PS1.  The PS1 didn't really start to take off in a big way until Final Fantasy 7 came out.  This big third party title drove hardware sales, so much that Sony has decided to do what it can to attract big third party games ever since.  That is the Sony business model: get the best third party games and supplement it with good first party games.

So when someone says that Sony first party games are on a Nintendo level, it has to be qualified.  If you compare [Gamecube vs. PS2] or [Wii U vs. PS4], then you can say their third party libraries are comparable.  Because that is what actually happens when their first party libraries are comparable: Nintendo gets clobbered.  Sony third party is what matters most.  But in most cases: NES/SNES, Wii, Switch, and every single Nintendo handheld, that is where Nintendo first party really shines.  On those platforms their first party games sell like a big third party SKU.  They sell like a GTA or CoD (or better).  Sony first party is just not at this level.  Franchises like GTA or CoD or Pokemon or 2D Mario are just on a much higher level than anything Sony can make.

Don't get me wrong.  I think Sony makes good games.  I think their first party line-up has always been a lot stronger (as a whole) than Microsoft's first party line-up.  But in the same way Nintendo first party line-up is just much stronger than Sony's.  And that's ok, because the two have very different strategies toward selling hardware.



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My Bet With curl-6

My Threads:
Master Thread, Game of the Year/Decade
Switch Will Be #1 All Time
Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
How Much Will MH Rise sell?
My Bet With Metallox

MinatozakiSana on 12 August 2018

Not quite Nintendo level but since they're competing with third parties too it might just be as impressive tbh



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 August 2018
160rmf said:

Is last of us' numbers PS4 only? That's incredibly huge for a remaster

Its for both the PS3 and PS4 version.



Intrinsic on 12 August 2018
Alkibiádēs said:
Qwark said:
Spiderman is up next to join that list, which is great for Insomniac too

I wouldn't call Spiderman a first party game. They don't own the IP nor the studio who developed the game in question. 

And yes, great leap and very good sales for Sony this gen, but not quite Nintendo level. 

Yes........... its a first party game.

Licensed the rights from Marvel (sony money). Subcontracted the development to Insomniac(sony money).Publishedby sony. Releasing exclusively on Playstation.

Thats sounds like a first prty game to me.