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Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

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MasonADC said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:

Well they have yet to surpassed Nintendo but they already entered that level already with last of us and Uncharted and with GOd of War soon being another contender for best selling 1st party exclusive. 


I was thinking more about the Switch specificity. It took years for the ps4 to get a 10 million selling first party game, and now that it is at 80 million, it is reaching them more easily. That is still really good, but is nothing compared to what Mario Odyssey, MK8D, and soon Botw to do. I still think GOW will match these titles in the end, but I don't think they are at the same level.

You are talking about impact and I am talking about sales.  BOTW came from a well known brand for decades.  Zelda is consistently selling for decades now.. Mario is a well known brand cultivated for decades. Majority of gamers grew up playing Mario and in case you didn't notice almost Ninty's best selling game has Mario plastered in it. Mario Kart and Smash. 
Answer me truthfully do you think Mario Kart would sell this well without the Mario characters in it? Smash without Mario and Pokemon?
You buy Nintendo platform for Mario, Pokemon and Zelda and now with Splatoon because these are quality games. Other games like 3rd party games and other games from Nintendo is just the icing on the cake. 

Yes when PS4 came out. A lot of people didn't buy it for Sony 1st party line up but with recent trends happening now.  PS4 is still selling well, you know why? 1st party exclusives. Yes they have helped from 3rd parties (fortnite and MHW) but late this gen. Sony's first party is helping maintaining the sales.  With GOW Q1 for Sony is 3 million shipped.

1st party will be a huge barometer for next gen when 3rd party exclusive will become more rare. I can see a lot of people buying PS5 for GOW sequel, HZD 2, Last of us and Uncharted and most likely for Sony's first party lineup. Especially if you have big 1st party games as a launch titles. HZD 2 and Death stranding could be cross platform with PS4 and PS5.

Next gen will be a battle of 1st party exclusives for both MS and Sony. MS know this and learned from this gen. MS ramping up their 1st party devs buying 5 studios and ramping up their studios.  You won't see MS shoving up a lot of money for exclusive deals from 3rd party games. Those resources will mostly be for their 1st party devs.  
And with GG ramping and Bend ramping up. 1st party games will be barometer who will win next gen especially in the west. 

pokoko said:
NoCtiS_NoX said: 

Well PS4 1st party games are doing just fine with almost 3rd party releasing a game for it.  

In all honesty, I'm much more impressed with a Last of Us or a Halo, which sell directly into the teeth of the competition.  Against full third-party support and with a rival platform in competition for the same market?  That's strength.  

Agreed. Last of us brand recognition is strong. It continued it's momentum with PS4 sales. 
I also agreed wit Halo and MS is stupid for not focusing on it this gen. 

Kyuu said:

Not quite Nintendo level but still very impressive considering the brand-agnosticism of the average Playstation gamer. Sony's games compete with huge third party titles over the buyers' wallet.

isn't that more impressive? Sony is competing with 3rd parties biggest game and they are still selling well?



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Sony definitely stepped it up this generation. I'd say the PS4 is their best system yet. I finally got around to playing Horizon Zero Dawn, and I'm having a lot of fun with it so far.



pokoko said:
zorg1000 said:

Isnt he specifically talking about 3rd party sales on PS4 rather than sales on all platforms?

I hope not because that would be disingenuous.  If GTA 5 was exclusive to one platform, it's numbers on that one platform would be crazy.

I am talking about which games do the best job of selling a PS4.  Do more PS4's get sold because of The Last of US or GTA5?  Nothing disingenuous about talking about one platform, since we are comparing it to first party line-up.



Not Nintendo levels but it's still great sales.



Its great these games are getting attention from PlayStation fans but Sony's marketing this generation has been on the money, last gen Sony sent out a bunch of great games to die cause they didnt focus their marketing on all their games besides their popular first party studios.

Sony's first party is definitely on another level when it comes to accolades and critical acclaim Uncharted 2 was the first exclusive from outside third party devs to win, Overall Goty and then TLOU won 250 gotys vs GTA V which won about 157, Uncharted 4 brought home 165 gotys vs Overwatch's 103, Naughty Dog has won overall goty with 3 out 4 of their recent game releases. First to do it outside of third party and they are tied with Bethesda for the number of Overall Goty wins 3 for both, Bethesda having Skyrim, Fallout 3, and Oblivion. God Of War has potential to be Goty but its going up against RDR 2 which the original received 160 gotys in 2010 beating out Mass Effect 2 but it would be something if GOW wins since, Bayonetta and DMC have never won Overall goty and make SSM the third developer joining ND, and EAD Tokyo to win Overall goty would definitely be a big moral win giving Sony their 4th overall Goty on their 4th console.



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The_Liquid_Laser said:
pokoko said:

I hope not because that would be disingenuous.  If GTA 5 was exclusive to one platform, it's numbers on that one platform would be crazy.

I am talking about which games do the best job of selling a PS4.  Do more PS4's get sold because of The Last of US or GTA5?  Nothing disingenuous about talking about one platform, since we are comparing it to first party line-up.

Do more Nintendo consoles get sold because of their games or because of their gimmicks?  We've seen this before.  Vanilla Nintendo consoles without third-party support don't make it on the strength of their games alone, either.  If Sony lost third-party support then they'd have to change their strategy, same as Nintendo did.  Likewise, a Nintendo with full third-party support would gradually see sales for some first-party games begin to ebb, especially if they kept to their strategy of no price drops.  You can't compare peaches to cats 1:1 and expect to pull anything meaningful from it.



NoCtiS_NoX said: 
RolStoppable said:
I take it, we are talking about Wii U level.

Found this on reset era. Surpassed WiiU already. 

You know that it should be a given to sell more games on the PS4 than on the Wii U with its 13.5m units sold. Sony's first party is still quite a long way away from matching the first party game sales of the 3DS. That the 3DS isn't Nintendo's best is already made clear by Switch, Nintendo's current console that basically matches Sony's output of 4.5 years on the PS4 within 1.5 years and that also comes with a huge disadvantage in installed base.

Sony being on the same level as Nintendo can only be said if Wii U is the measuring stick.

NoCtiS_NoX said: 
pokoko said:

In all honesty, I'm much more impressed with a Last of Us or a Halo, which sell directly into the teeth of the competition.  Against full third-party support and with a rival platform in competition for the same market?  That's strength.  

Agreed. Last of us brand recognition is strong. It continued it's momentum with PS4 sales. 
I also agreed wit Halo and MS is stupid for not focusing on it this gen. 

Kyuu said:

Not quite Nintendo level but still very impressive considering the brand-agnosticism of the average Playstation gamer. Sony's games compete with huge third party titles over the buyers' wallet.

isn't that more impressive? Sony is competing with 3rd parties biggest game and they are still selling well?

That's backwards thinking. The big third party games aren't hurting Sony, they are actually helping Sony by driving the installed base.

The line of thought that Sony's games would sell more if there weren't AAA third party games on their console simply doesn't hold up. The eighth generation proves this beyond any doubt. The PS4 has all the AAA third party publishers on board that shunned the PSV, but Sony's first party games are leaps and bounds more successful on the PS4 than they were on PSV. It's much more difficult to sell a lot of first party games when there's no help from third parties to drive the installed base.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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NoCtiS_NoX said:

Uncharted 4 - 8.7 Million  as of 2016 (could be more than 10M already) 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/01/05/uncharted-4-a-thiefs-end-sold-an-unbelievable-amount-of-copies-in-2016/

I cannot see other info. about it google fu is weak.

 

Horizon Zero Dawn -7.6 Million  ( High chance of over 10M Life time)
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/2018/02/28/horizon-zero-dawn-surpasses-7-6-million-sales-worldwide-ahead-of-its-1st-birthday/

 

God of War PS4 - 5 million first month ( with it legs possibly 7 Million by now, fastest selling PS4 game since 1995 according to NPD)
http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/05/25/god-of-war-sales-top-5-million-in-the-first-month

 

The Last of Us - 17 million ( the monster) 
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2018/06/14/the-last-of-us-sales-17-million-copies-ps3-ps4/

With Spiderman PS4, Ghost of Tsushima, Last of Us 2, Days gone, Death Stranding I guess Sony will be on the roll for selling a lot of games with more than 10 million on it's belt.

Sony cultivated it's first party from PS3 era. The great thing that happened with PS3 era is Sony learned a lot of lessons. Strengthening their 1st party and it's paying dividends right now. Although I hate them for closing a lot of Studios on the process and closing Zipper interactive IMO is one of the worst decision they made. Imagine what games they will make in today's market full of coop team based games. They could have a dev dedicated in creating multiplayer games.

Anyway, I am also amazed that today they are competing with Nintendo's 1st party games in term of sales. When you argue pre- PS4 that 1st party of Sony will be big in terms of sales they will laugh at you and the only rebuttal you can make is Gran Turismo. 

I hope Sony will add more studios at their arsenal. They still need more. We need more Ips from them because they still lack games in terms of other genre and especially the co-op based games and multiplayer side. I missed the days when Sony is releasing  a lot of games left and right. I also hope they will revived their old IPs as well because there are a lot of gems on PS1 and PS2 era.

With generation ending the battle for next gen is closing and with MS 1st party ramping up they will need to bring their quadruple A next gen.

Sorry for my poor English and grammar. 

A big success :) My honest opinion: Sony shows a lot of passion. Why i think this ? Sony has the biggest games / having the highest development costs. AAA-games like "The Last of Us(2)", "Uncharted 4", "Horizon Zero Dawn", "God of War", the new "Spiderman" and "Ghost of Tsushima" are very impressive and have great love to detail, because for Sony is important: Amazing Gameplay with fantastic story and interesting characters. They have spent significantly more effort than Nintendo and Microsoft in recent years. One of the big reasons why many players are so happy with their PlayStation 4. The motto is: Games, Games, Games!

AbrahamHamdan said:
I hope Spiderman and death stranding follow this trend

I'm sure :) And both are Day 1 for me.

axumblade said:
Qwark said:
Spiderman is up next to join that list, which is great for Insomniac too

Insomniac really do deserve all the success they have gotten. I am so excited for Spider-Man. 

I have high hopes for Ghost of Tsushima as well but I don't think it can get to Uncharted/God of War/Horizon: Zero Dawn/Spider-Man level of mainstream. I'm still hoping it does though because it's gorgeous. 

Spiderman could be Game of the Year with God of War. It will be 100% the best Spiderman-game of all time and MAYBE the best superhero action game ever.

BoseDK said:

Sony first party had already far surpassed Nintendo in terms of critical acclaim last generation (Hell even MS was more consistent than Nintendo last generation), it's only a matter of time before they do it in sales as well.
With games like Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Last of Us II, Death Stranding still on the way it seems all but certain.

Interesting thought. 2019 will be extremely strong too :)

Shadow1980 said:
Sony definitely stepped it up this generation. I'd say the PS4 is their best system yet. I finally got around to playing Horizon Zero Dawn, and I'm having a lot of fun with it so far.

HZW, cool :) My favorite console is PS4 and PS2, because so many games are fantastic. Especially the PS4 games are impressive - it's great to see that the effort and a lot of work / effort is rewarded with good sales numbers :) Enjoy the summer with HZD, wish you the best :) Yakuza Kiwami 2 this month, in september Dragon Quest XI and Spiderman on PS4 for me.



My Game of the Year 2019: Death Stranding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFHK9zXyXsw&feature=emb_logo

Cant wait of FF7 Remake/Last of Us 2/Ghost of Tsushima

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