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Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

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NoCtiS_NoX said: 
Replicant said:

We get so many petty comments every time this thread is updated. OP should consider removing the unnecessary comparison to Nintendo.

OT: SIE's 1st parties have come a long way this gen.

The Last of Us: Remastered - over 10M
Uncharted 4 - over 15M
God of War - over 10M
Horizon: Zero Dawn - over 10M
Spider-Man - over 9M

I won't change it. Nothing wrong with it. It's a healthy comparison and not an attack on ninty fans.

Fair enough. But the thread will most likely keep getting derailed then.



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Evilms said:

This list does not include the order 1886, knack 1, shadow of the colossus, the last guardian, ratchet and clank, uncharted the lost legacy, infamous second son ...

The Nintendo list doesn't include all games either. Adding all the smaller games on both sides won't change the results in a significant way.

colafitte said:

Lol you now that table is not updated and is filled with incomplete data. You are playind dumb because it interests you now.

Bloodborne and Detroit Become Human have not sold just 4'0M combined. Killzone Shadow Fall did not sell just 2'1M. GT Sport has not sold just 3'3M, etc

You know perfectly that Spiderman just sold 9M just before December and the game sold huge in Europe in December when sales are more important than in November.

This was never a PS4 vs Switch. It's Sony vs Nintendo in the home console territory, so forgetting TLOU ps3 sales is just convenient too.

The true list was brought by me in this thread earlier:

TLOU has sold 20M, Uncharted 4 has sold 16M, God of War has sold 11M, Horizon probably has surpassed 11M sold too already, Spiderman has to be above those games too. Bloodborne sold more than 2M in US according to Benji so is most probably that it has sold more than 5M worldwide as of today. Ratchet and clank 2016 was according to Insomniac, their best selling game before Spiderman launched, so that needs to be another 5-6M more. QD stated Detroit was about to sell 3M in January 2019. GT Sport was announced months ago that it has more than 7M players by PD themselves, so more than 5-6M is a possibility (and historically GT legs, except GT6 are looooong, the game will keep selling for years).... and Days Gone was just announced today that it is the 7th best Sony selling game in the month of launch in NPD history, despite being only 9 days on sale, compared to the rest that had 16 or more days of sales, so most probably in the first month must have sold 3M worldwide at least and soon will have 5M sold too, ....etc.

Uncharted 4, God of War, Spiderman, The Last of Us Part II has as many chances to reach 20M lifetime as any other Nintendo game.

You saying Nintendo games have better legs is a lie. Pokemon and Smash games historically didn't have good legs, at least not as good as 2D Mario or Mario Kart games. They're indeed way more frontloaded than franchises like Gran Turismo, Uncharted or The Last of Us have proved. 

You say Sony doesn't have any 20M games since PS4 era started (it has one, TLOU, again), but Nintendo only has one too, MK8. Nintendo having more games to launch on Switch than can sell 10M or more than PS4 is irrelevant (and yet to see) because again, THIS WAS NEVER A PS4 VS SWITCH COMPARISON. Once GOW 2, HZD 2, Spiderman 2 launch on PS5 the comparison with Nintendo will still exist, even if it's against Switch, and believe me, those games are going to sell a lot.

My post contained a very visible note that not all of Sony's games on the list have to up to date numbers. It's not me who's playing dumb here.

The OP himself confirmed that PS4 vs. Switch is eligible. This thread is turning into one where Sony fans are fighting against the inevitable. If this thread gets updated every year, it will show what I've said multiple times: The difference between PS4 and Switch will grow in the favor of Switch and in the end it won't even be a close comparison. Hence why the claim "entered Ninty level" will not hold up.

Train wreck said:

That's odd, I'm guessing that Uncharted Lost Legacy and the Nathan Drake collection are not a thing.

Any expectations that PS4 will be able to keep up with Switch?

NoCtiS_NoX said:

I think you have forgotten our debate already. I already explained this couple of times. News flash. Uncharted 4. Is Nintendo tier at 16m. Is that raw sales. Yes. That's a fact. 

Last time we have this debate you are ignoring all the things I have said. 

Funny thing is you are adding another variable to suit your arguments. Uncharted 4 is nearing 20M so you cannot use it anymore. Sony games will stall at 10M. oh it didn't happened. Cannot use it anymore. 

One more thing how many marios are there on your list??

I will do an edit. I am at work and posting on a phone is a drag.  To put it simply I am not yet done.  

The memory of our debate is blurry. I don't think I've ignored the things you said back then, but rather I pointed out why your logic is flawed.

Regarding Uncharted 4's 16m, it's only Nintendo tier if you choose to ignore that Nintendo games can sell way more than that. While last year it might have not been obvious to everyone how much Switch games will sell, the updated numbers should give a better idea.

I am quite sure that my statement about Sony games stalling at around 10m didn't include all games. That specific point was about the sales potential where I pointed out that several Nintendo games will not only exceed the 10m mark, but also 15m and even 20m. Sony won't have the same number of games that will have passed those thresholds in the end, hence why it isn't correct to say that Sony has entered Ninty level.

The current main problem in this thread is that a few people refuse to extrapolate numbers to predict future sales, so the current tallies are looked at and deemed to show the same level of first party success despite one console being ~3.5 years longer on the market.

The question how many Mario games are on the Nintendo list is an attempt at goalpost-moving, the very same thing you criticized only one day ago.



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RolStoppable said:

The Nintendo list doesn't include all games either. Adding all the smaller games on both sides won't change the results in a significant way.

colafitte said:

Lol you now that table is not updated and is filled with incomplete data. You are playind dumb because it interests you now.

Bloodborne and Detroit Become Human have not sold just 4'0M combined. Killzone Shadow Fall did not sell just 2'1M. GT Sport has not sold just 3'3M, etc

You know perfectly that Spiderman just sold 9M just before December and the game sold huge in Europe in December when sales are more important than in November.

This was never a PS4 vs Switch. It's Sony vs Nintendo in the home console territory, so forgetting TLOU ps3 sales is just convenient too.

The true list was brought by me in this thread earlier:

TLOU has sold 20M, Uncharted 4 has sold 16M, God of War has sold 11M, Horizon probably has surpassed 11M sold too already, Spiderman has to be above those games too. Bloodborne sold more than 2M in US according to Benji so is most probably that it has sold more than 5M worldwide as of today. Ratchet and clank 2016 was according to Insomniac, their best selling game before Spiderman launched, so that needs to be another 5-6M more. QD stated Detroit was about to sell 3M in January 2019. GT Sport was announced months ago that it has more than 7M players by PD themselves, so more than 5-6M is a possibility (and historically GT legs, except GT6 are looooong, the game will keep selling for years).... and Days Gone was just announced today that it is the 7th best Sony selling game in the month of launch in NPD history, despite being only 9 days on sale, compared to the rest that had 16 or more days of sales, so most probably in the first month must have sold 3M worldwide at least and soon will have 5M sold too, ....etc.

Uncharted 4, God of War, Spiderman, The Last of Us Part II has as many chances to reach 20M lifetime as any other Nintendo game.

You saying Nintendo games have better legs is a lie. Pokemon and Smash games historically didn't have good legs, at least not as good as 2D Mario or Mario Kart games. They're indeed way more frontloaded than franchises like Gran Turismo, Uncharted or The Last of Us have proved. 

You say Sony doesn't have any 20M games since PS4 era started (it has one, TLOU, again), but Nintendo only has one too, MK8. Nintendo having more games to launch on Switch than can sell 10M or more than PS4 is irrelevant (and yet to see) because again, THIS WAS NEVER A PS4 VS SWITCH COMPARISON. Once GOW 2, HZD 2, Spiderman 2 launch on PS5 the comparison with Nintendo will still exist, even if it's against Switch, and believe me, those games are going to sell a lot.

My post contained a very visible note that not all of Sony's games on the list have to up to date numbers. It's not me who's playing dumb here.

The OP himself confirmed that PS4 vs. Switch is eligible. This thread is turning into one where Sony fans are fighting against the inevitable. If this thread gets updated every year, it will show what I've said multiple times: The difference between PS4 and Switch will grow in the favor of Switch and in the end it won't even be a close comparison. Hence why the claim "entered Ninty level" will not hold up.

Oh i readed that note, and yet you made a conclusion comparing numbers based on that flawed logic.

Fightning against the "inevitable"....lol, like when Switch was going to sell 20M or more last year??, outselling PS4??, that same "inevitability"???. PS4 vs Switch may be "eligible", but that's not all about it. It's only a restricted way of think that you puposedly decided to choose to benefit your interests. The OP never stated that, the OP title is clear "SONY IS ENTERING NINTENDO LEVELS". And besides, your point about PS4 vs Switch is still undecided which will have more big sellers in the end. What in the world mades you think "in the end won't be a close comparison". Your loved Nintendo games are the only ones than can keep selling?? Such arrogance my god....

The time is against you, not in favor to you. Next year we will know Spiderman and GOW are going to be 15-20M sellers. TLOU 2 is going to be the best Sony selling game of al time. Days Gone is going to surprise people....AGAIN, when it's announced they're close to sell 10M. Ghosts of Tsushima and Death Stranding are going to be successes too. And then PS5 will come, GOW 2, HZD 2, Spiderman 2 will be announced and in the next few years the list of Sony games selling 15M or more will only grow bigger and larger. More IP's will come, because you can bet on that and they will sell a ton too. Meanwhile Nintendo will need again Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Smash,... to be good to sell good.

This "era", Sony became closer entering Nintendo levels. Next gen Sony is going to surpass Nintendo in this regard. Mark my words....



RolStoppable said:

NoCtiS_NoX said:

I think you have forgotten our debate already. I already explained this couple of times. News flash. Uncharted 4. Is Nintendo tier at 16m. Is that raw sales. Yes. That's a fact. 

Last time we have this debate you are ignoring all the things I have said. 

Funny thing is you are adding another variable to suit your arguments. Uncharted 4 is nearing 20M so you cannot use it anymore. Sony games will stall at 10M. oh it didn't happened. Cannot use it anymore. 

One more thing how many marios are there on your list??

I will do an edit. I am at work and posting on a phone is a drag.  To put it simply I am not yet done.  

The memory of our debate is blurry. I don't think I've ignored the things you said back then, but rather I pointed out why your logic is flawed.

Regarding Uncharted 4's 16m, it's only Nintendo tier if you choose to ignore that Nintendo games can sell way more than that. While last year it might have not been obvious to everyone how much Switch games will sell, the updated numbers should give a better idea.

I am quite sure that my statement about Sony games stalling at around 10m didn't include all games. That specific point was about the sales potential where I pointed out that several Nintendo games will not only exceed the 10m mark, but also 15m and even 20m. Sony won't have the same number of games that will have passed those thresholds in the end, hence why it isn't correct to say that Sony has entered Ninty level.

The current main problem in this thread is that a few people refuse to extrapolate numbers to predict future sales, so the current tallies are looked at and deemed to show the same level of first party success despite one console being ~3.5 years longer on the market.

The question how many Mario games are on the Nintendo list is an attempt at goalpost-moving, the very same thing you criticized only one day ago.

See my edit Rol.

No, my logic is not flawed. You are twisting my words to suit your arguments. 

I have no intention of goal posting.  I want you to look deeper in it. 4 Ips that are more than 10M sold to customer. Days Gone has a potential to do it. As time goes by. GOT and DS might make it and Dreams is the biggest wild card.  Sony has the quality seals already. Days Gone with Mix reaction can sold that much. Imagined another highly rated from Sony. If rumors are true another AAA has yet to be announced. That could lead to another potential 10M for Sony.

So if Days Gone, GOT and DS will make it 4 new IPS at 10M and if Dreams succeed as well then 5. isn't that impressive? or it is just hard to admit?

I think this need to be posted again

Last edited by NoCtiS_NoX - on 22 May 2019

colafitte said:

Oh i readed that note, and yet you made a conclusion comparing numbers based on that flawed logic.

Fightning against the "inevitable"....lol, like when Switch was going to sell 20M or more last year??, outselling PS4??, that same "inevitability"???. PS4 vs Switch may be "eligible", but that's not all about it. It's only a restricted way of think that you puposedly decided to choose to benefit your interests. The OP never stated that, the OP title is clear "SONY IS ENTERING NINTENDO LEVELS". And besides, your point about PS4 vs Switch is still undecided which will have more big sellers in the end. What in the world mades you think "in the end won't be a close comparison". Your loved Nintendo games are the only ones than can keep selling?? Such arrogance my god....

The time is against you, not in favor to you. Next year we will know Spiderman and GOW are going to be 15-20M sellers. TLOU 2 is going to be the best Sony selling game of al time. Days Gone is going to surprise people....AGAIN, when it's announced they're close to sell 10M. Ghosts of Tsushima and Death Stranding are going to be successes too. And then PS5 will come, GOW 2, HZD 2, Spiderman 2 will be announced and in the next few years the list of Sony games selling 15M or more will only grow bigger and larger. More IP's will come, because you can bet on that and they will sell a ton too. Meanwhile Nintendo will need again Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Smash,... to be good to sell good.

This "era", Sony became closer entering Nintendo levels. Next gen Sony is going to surpass Nintendo in this regard. Mark my words....

Since I was never one of the people who claimed that it is a sure thing that Switch will either sell through 20m+ in calendar year 2018 or ship 20m+ in the fiscal year ending March 2019, that sort of argument doesn't apply here.

I am not contesting that sales of already released Sony games will continue to grow, nor do I contest that upcoming Sony games will be big sellers. I am accounting for both the Sony and Nintendo side of things all the same. Here's the list of Nintendo's top 10 as it was at the time this thread was created:

Super Mario Odyssey - 11.17m (+0.76m)
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 10.35m (+1.13m)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 9.32m (+0.84m)
Splatoon 2 - 6.76m (+0.74m)
1-2-Switch - 2.45m (+0.16m)
ARMS - 2.01m (+0.16m)
Kirby Star Allies - 1.89m (+0.63m)
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - 1.42m (+0.11m)
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze - 1.40m (NEW)
Mario Tennis Aces - 1.38m (NEW)

Nintendo's pace over the last nine months has been much faster than Sony's, hence why I conclude that the final results will be very much in Nintendo's favor. Nintendo has lined up more for the next nine months than Sony, and of course Nintendo also has the edge when it comes to the legs of already released games.



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It's always hilarious to see some people trying to minimize the sales of a Sony exclusive that sold over 10 million copies in just one year



RolStoppable said:
colafitte said:

Oh i readed that note, and yet you made a conclusion comparing numbers based on that flawed logic.

Fightning against the "inevitable"....lol, like when Switch was going to sell 20M or more last year??, outselling PS4??, that same "inevitability"???. PS4 vs Switch may be "eligible", but that's not all about it. It's only a restricted way of think that you puposedly decided to choose to benefit your interests. The OP never stated that, the OP title is clear "SONY IS ENTERING NINTENDO LEVELS". And besides, your point about PS4 vs Switch is still undecided which will have more big sellers in the end. What in the world mades you think "in the end won't be a close comparison". Your loved Nintendo games are the only ones than can keep selling?? Such arrogance my god....

The time is against you, not in favor to you. Next year we will know Spiderman and GOW are going to be 15-20M sellers. TLOU 2 is going to be the best Sony selling game of al time. Days Gone is going to surprise people....AGAIN, when it's announced they're close to sell 10M. Ghosts of Tsushima and Death Stranding are going to be successes too. And then PS5 will come, GOW 2, HZD 2, Spiderman 2 will be announced and in the next few years the list of Sony games selling 15M or more will only grow bigger and larger. More IP's will come, because you can bet on that and they will sell a ton too. Meanwhile Nintendo will need again Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Smash,... to be good to sell good.

This "era", Sony became closer entering Nintendo levels. Next gen Sony is going to surpass Nintendo in this regard. Mark my words....

Since I was never one of the people who claimed that it is a sure thing that Switch will either sell through 20m+ in calendar year 2018 or ship 20m+ in the fiscal year ending March 2019, that sort of argument doesn't apply here.

I am not contesting that sales of already released Sony games will continue to grow, nor do I contest that upcoming Sony games will be big sellers. I am accounting for both the Sony and Nintendo side of things all the same. Here's the list of Nintendo's top 10 as it was at the time this thread was created:

Super Mario Odyssey - 11.17m (+0.76m)
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 10.35m (+1.13m)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 9.32m (+0.84m)
Splatoon 2 - 6.76m (+0.74m)
1-2-Switch - 2.45m (+0.16m)
ARMS - 2.01m (+0.16m)
Kirby Star Allies - 1.89m (+0.63m)
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - 1.42m (+0.11m)
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze - 1.40m (NEW)
Mario Tennis Aces - 1.38m (NEW)

Nintendo's pace over the last nine months has been much faster than Sony's, hence why I conclude that the final results will be very much in Nintendo's favor. Nintendo has lined up more for the next nine months than Sony, and of course Nintendo also has the edge when it comes to the legs of already released games.

Where did you get the notion that Nintendo's pace over the last 9 months has been much faster than Sony's??.

First of all, Nintendo numbers are shipped, Sony's numbers are always sold to consumers. That's an important point to note.

Second point. Uncharted 4, is a perfect example of legs. The game was announced to have sold to consumeres 8'7M by the end of 2016. So in 2017, 2018 and half 2019 the game has sold another 8M of units to consumers....That's are very good legs for me. Horizon Zero Dawn, started with 2'6M sold to consumers in 2 weeks, 7'6M sold to consumers in 12 months, and "more than 10M" sold to consumers after 24 months, so another 3M sold in a year. I'm pretty convinced that GOW and Spiderman will match that level of legs and even surpassed them.

"Nintendo has lined up more for the next 9 month than Sony". What?. Do Days Gone, The Last of Us Part II, Dreams, Ghosts of Tsushima, Death Stranding disappeared all of a sudden??. What new games does Nintendo have for the next 9 months to match those games??. Super Mario Maker 2, Pokemon Sword& Shield, Animal Crossing and......what exactly? What i am missing? Do we count unannounced games??



Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 16.69m (+1.67m)
Super Mario Odyssey - 14.44m (+0.68m)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 13.81m (+1.73m)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 12.77m (+1.09m)
Pokémon: Let's Go, Evee/Pikachu! - 10.63m (+0.63m)
Splatoon 2 - 8.70m (+0.43m)
Super Mario Party - 6.40m (+1.10m)
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 3.31m (NEW)
1-2-Switch - 2.97m (+0.11m)
Mario Tennis Aces - 2.64m (+0.11m)

these are number are shipped afaik.

  1. 16M for UC4
  2. 11M for GOW 
  3. 12M for TLOU PS4
  4. 10M for SPiderman
  5. 10M for HZD

Sony numbers are sold thru customer. afaik. Isn't this on Par with Nintendo at the moment. Can please someone elaborate why is this not on par with Nintendo?



NoCtiS_NoX said:

See my edit Rol.

No, my logic is not flawed. You are twisting my words to suit your arguments. 

I have no intention of goal posting.  I want you to look deeper in it. 4 Ips that are more than 10M sold to customer. Days Gone has a potential to do it. As time goes by. GOT and DS might make it and Dreams is the biggest wild card.  Sony has the quality seals already. Days Gone with Mix reaction can sold that much. Imagined another highly rated from Sony. If rumors are true another AAA has yet to be announced. That could lead to another potential 10M for Sony.

So if Days Gone, GOT and DS will make it 4 new IPS at 10M and if Dreams succeed as well then 5. isn't that impressive? or it is just hard to admit?

I think this need to be posted again

(3DS bestsellers)

I think there's a disconnect here. The point of contention throughout this thread has not been whether or not Sony's first party game sales have grown substantially from one generation to the next. That is impressive and has been acknowledged by most people who posted in this thread, including myself.

The actual point of contention has been if Sony is now on the same level as Nintendo. The response to that has been that it can only hold true if certain Nintendo consoles are picked for comparison, such as Wii U and 3DS. But given that this thread was made at a time when Switch was Nintendo's current platform, the most obvious comparison for Sony being on the same level as Nintendo now is a comparison with Switch.

colafitte said:

Where did you get the notion that Nintendo's pace over the last 9 months has been much faster than Sony's??.

First of all, Nintendo numbers are shipped, Sony's numbers are always sold to consumers. That's an important point to note.

Second point. Uncharted 4, is a perfect example of legs. The game was announced to have sold to consumeres 8'7M by the end of 2016. So in 2017, 2018 and half 2019 the game has sold another 8M of units to consumers....That's are very good legs for me. Horizon Zero Dawn, started with 2'6M sold to consumers in 2 weeks, 7'6M sold to consumers in 12 months, and "more than 10M" sold to consumers after 24 months, so another 3M sold in a year. I'm pretty convinced that GOW and Spiderman will match that level of legs and even surpassed them.

"Nintendo has lined up more for the next 9 month than Sony". What?. Do Days Gone, The Last of Us Part II, Dreams, Ghosts of Tsushima, Death Stranding disappeared all of a sudden??. What new games does Nintendo have for the next 9 months to match those games??. Super Mario Maker 2, Pokemon Sword& Shield, Animal Crossing and......what exactly? What i am missing? Do we count unannounced games??

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe increased by 6.3m in the last nine months, Super Mario Odyssey by 3.2m, Breath of the Wild by 3.4m, Splatoon 2 by 1.9m. SSBU released to 13.8m, Pokémon: Let's go is at 10.6m, Super Mario Party at 6.4m. Do Sony's releases measure up to that? No, they don't.

Sell-through vs. shipments hardly matters. In order for shipments to grow over time, copies of the games have to be sold through, otherwise retailers won't order more.

I think it's highly optimistic that you expect all the Sony games you named to release within the next nine months. Likewise, I don't expect all Nintendo games (such as Luigi's Mansion 3) to be released within the next nine months. One thing that is important is that Nintendo releases a higher quantity of games. Titles like Fire Emblem, Astral Chain and Daemon X Machina won't add much to the grand total (especially not the latter two), but those little things add up over time.



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Replicant said:
NoCtiS_NoX said: 

I won't change it. Nothing wrong with it. It's a healthy comparison and not an attack on ninty fans.

Fair enough. But the thread will most likely keep getting derailed then.

Then don’t contribute to it