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Keiji said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

I am confused I just said not sure why you said Sony would not touch Nintendo games in units sold. I am not really estimating where all the Switch games will end up. I feel they will have some 20mil plus games which Sony more than likely will not even with TLOU2. Nin will have multiple 15mil plus games while Sony will have several. Nin will definitely have more 15mil plus games without a doubt. And both will have multiple 10mil plus games.

Hence the reason I said Sony have already touched Nin in that regard. Has Nin done it quicker? Without a doubt will Nin have more most definitely but we can't say that Sony has not touched them when they definitely have that was my only point lol. I wasn't worried about who did it quicker, and even replied in here that Nin will definitely ave more.

My point was that Sony had reached Nin level sales. Not that it was selling more or selling faster than Nin did or will so I am not even sure what I said that you were disputing in the first place lol.

I'm just saying a theory and I don't troll : is the fact that soon the best selling consoles of all time are PlayStation 2, DS and PlayStation 4 make some Nintendo fans kind of angry with Sony domination. So if now we are saying great things about Sony exclusives software, it's kind of too much for them.

I'm okay to edit the thread title and remove "(Entered Ninty Leve)" even if the OP make this like a compliment and with no bad intentions. 

Are we now supposed to pretend that Sony fans have acted civil in this thread while Nintendo fans have not?

The OP made a claim, it was challenged and proved to be wrong as the top 10 lists for the PS4 and Switch have shown. If the OP didn't want comparisons with Nintendo systems like Switch, Wii or DS, the title should have been more specific.

Bad intentions are debatable. While there might have been none, the second error of the title is that it talks about a leap over the PS3 era which clearly implies a PS3 vs. PS4 comparison, but the OP didn't keep it honest and combined the sales of The Last of Us for PS3 and PS4 to make the numbers more impressive than they really are. This kind of action shows that the focus of the thread was and is on a comparison between Sony and Nintendo.

Given that you yourself have taken issue with the false claims of VideoGameAccountant in the past and the present, you should hold yourself to the same standard. So when facts are brought to the table in this thread and Sony's best isn't in the same league as Nintendo's best, then that should be accepted by you instead of coming up with theories about angry Nintendo fans.

Lastly, if any sort of comparison between Sony and Nintendo qualified, there might have as well PS2 vs. GC been used. Suddenly the whole "entered Ninty level" achievement of the PS4 rings hollow because Sony has been there before when data is picked according to how it suits the desired conclusion.



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RolStoppable said:
Keiji said:

I'm just saying a theory and I don't troll : is the fact that soon the best selling consoles of all time are PlayStation 2, DS and PlayStation 4 make some Nintendo fans kind of angry with Sony domination. So if now we are saying great things about Sony exclusives software, it's kind of too much for them.

I'm okay to edit the thread title and remove "(Entered Ninty Leve)" even if the OP make this like a compliment and with no bad intentions. 

Are we now supposed to pretend that Sony fans have acted civil in this thread while Nintendo fans have not?

The OP made a claim, it was challenged and proved to be wrong as the top 10 lists for the PS4 and Switch have shown. If the OP didn't want comparisons with Nintendo systems like Switch, Wii or DS, the title should have been more specific.

Bad intentions are debatable. While there might have been none, the second error of the title is that it talks about a leap over the PS3 era which clearly implies a PS3 vs. PS4 comparison, but the OP didn't keep it honest and combined the sales of The Last of Us for PS3 and PS4 to make the numbers more impressive than they really are. This kind of action shows that the focus of the thread was and is on a comparison between Sony and Nintendo.

Given that you yourself have taken issue with the false claims of VideoGameAccountant in the past and the present, you should hold yourself to the same standard. So when facts are brought to the table in this thread and Sony's best isn't in the same league as Nintendo's best, then that should be accepted by you instead of coming up with theories about angry Nintendo fans.

Lastly, if any sort of comparison between Sony and Nintendo qualified, there might have as well PS2 vs. GC been used. Suddenly the whole "entered Ninty level" achievement of the PS4 rings hollow because Sony has been there before when data is picked according to how it suits the desired conclusion.

Wow... so many lies in just a post....impressive Rol.

The OP claim has never been proved wrong. Top 10 list for Switch and PS4 shown they're a tied in number of games selling more than 10M. OP's claim was Sony's game now can compete with Nintendo's games in sales.

The Last of Us is a game from 2013 (PS4 version from 2014). Mario Kart 8 is a game from 2014 (Switch version from 2017). Horizon Zero Dawn, Mario Odyssey and Zelda Breath of the Wild are games from 2017. Pokemon Let's Go, Super Smash Bros Ultimate, God of War and Spiderman are games from 2018. All the games listed here in this thread that has surpassed 10M from both companies have launched basically in the same period of time, so no advantages.

The ranking of sales is as it follows:

Mario Kart 8 (+ DX version) > The Last of Us (PS3+PS4) > Uncharted 4 > Super Mario Odyssey > Zelda Breath of the Wild > Super Smash Bros Ultimate > Spiderman > God of War > Horizon Zero Dawn > Pokemon let's Go.

If the comparison is PS3 era to PS4 era why in the world The Last of Us sales combined between PS3 and PS4 and are dishonest?? The Last of Us launched the same year PS4 was announced and launched. Your nitpicking is something else. You can do the same thing for MK 8 and Zelda BOTW counting WiiU sales if you want. It won't change the result....

Facts were brought to the table numerous times and Sony's best is indeed in the same league as Nintendo's best this gen (or era if we are precise to the thread title). I don't know what numbers are you seeing...Like i said, 5 home console games from both companies in the last 6 years surpassed 10M as of today, and both still have more games that can reach that milestone too.

Why are we going to use PS2 and GC numbers when the thread is explicitly saying that Sony games are "entering Nintendo levels" NOW, precisely because they weren't before.

I don't really understand Nintendo fans here and their superiority complex with anything Nintendo vs Sony. Seriously..., it was just a compliment and you are trying so hard to make it sound as it was some kind of insult when it was not... at all.

Last edited by colafitte - on 21 May 2019

colafitte said:

Wow... how many lies in just a post....impressive Rol.

The OP claim has never been proved wrong. Top 10 list for Switch and PS4 shown they're a tied in number of games selling more than 10M. OP's claim was Sony's game now can compete with Nintendo's games in sales.

The Last of Us is a game from 2013 (PS4 version from 2014). Mario Kart 8 is a game from 2014 (Switch version from 2017). Horizon Zero Dawn, Mario Odyssey and Zelda Breath of the Wild are games from 2017. Pokemon Let's Go, Super Smash Bros Ultimate, God of War and Spiderman are games from 2018. All the games listed here in this thread that has surpassed 10M from both companies have launched basically in the same period of time, so no advantages.

The ranking of sales is as it follows:

Mario Kart 8 (+ DX version) > The Last of Us (PS3+PS4) > Uncharted 4 > Super Mario Odyssey > Zelda Breath of the Wild > Super Smash Bros Ultimate > Spiderman > God of War > Horizon Zero Dawn > Pokemon let's Go.

If the comparison is PS3 era to PS4 era why in the world The Last of Us sales combined between PS3 and PS4 and are dishonest?? The Last of Us launched the same year PS4 was announced and launched. Your nitpicking is something else. You can do the same thing for MK 8 and Zelda BOTW counting WiiU sales if you want. It won't change the result....

Facts were brought to the table numerous times and Sony's best is indeed in the same league as Nintendo's best this gen (or era if we are precise to the thread title). I don't know what numbers are you seeing...Like i said, 5 home console games from both companies in the last 6 years surpassed 10M as of today, and both still have more games that can reach that milestone too.

Why are we going to use PS2 and GC numbers when the thread is explicitly saying that Sony games are "entering Nintendo levels" NOW, precisely because they weren't before.

I don't really understand Nintendo fans here and their superiority complex with anything Nintendo vs Sony. Seriously..., it was just a compliment and you are trying so hard to make it sound as it was some kind of insult when it was not... at all.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 16.69m (+1.67m)
Super Mario Odyssey - 14.44m (+0.68m)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 13.81m (+1.73m)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 12.77m (+1.09m)
Pokémon: Let's Go, Evee/Pikachu! - 10.63m (+0.63m)
Splatoon 2 - 8.70m (+0.43m)
Super Mario Party - 6.40m (+1.10m)
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 3.31m (NEW)
1-2-Switch - 2.97m (+0.11m)
Mario Tennis Aces - 2.64m (+0.11m)

Total: 92.36m

Total: 69.5m*

*Not all games are up to date, but it's certain that there aren't 20m+ units missing from the total. 10m missing would already be a stretch.

As pointed out multiple times before, Nintendo games have better legs and Nintendo has more Switch games left to release than Sony has PS4 games. The gap will continue to grow in Nintendo's favor and when all is said and done, the comparison won't even be close.



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RolStoppable said:
colafitte said:

Wow... how many lies in just a post....impressive Rol.

The OP claim has never been proved wrong. Top 10 list for Switch and PS4 shown they're a tied in number of games selling more than 10M. OP's claim was Sony's game now can compete with Nintendo's games in sales.

The Last of Us is a game from 2013 (PS4 version from 2014). Mario Kart 8 is a game from 2014 (Switch version from 2017). Horizon Zero Dawn, Mario Odyssey and Zelda Breath of the Wild are games from 2017. Pokemon Let's Go, Super Smash Bros Ultimate, God of War and Spiderman are games from 2018. All the games listed here in this thread that has surpassed 10M from both companies have launched basically in the same period of time, so no advantages.

The ranking of sales is as it follows:

Mario Kart 8 (+ DX version) > The Last of Us (PS3+PS4) > Uncharted 4 > Super Mario Odyssey > Zelda Breath of the Wild > Super Smash Bros Ultimate > Spiderman > God of War > Horizon Zero Dawn > Pokemon let's Go.

If the comparison is PS3 era to PS4 era why in the world The Last of Us sales combined between PS3 and PS4 and are dishonest?? The Last of Us launched the same year PS4 was announced and launched. Your nitpicking is something else. You can do the same thing for MK 8 and Zelda BOTW counting WiiU sales if you want. It won't change the result....

Facts were brought to the table numerous times and Sony's best is indeed in the same league as Nintendo's best this gen (or era if we are precise to the thread title). I don't know what numbers are you seeing...Like i said, 5 home console games from both companies in the last 6 years surpassed 10M as of today, and both still have more games that can reach that milestone too.

Why are we going to use PS2 and GC numbers when the thread is explicitly saying that Sony games are "entering Nintendo levels" NOW, precisely because they weren't before.

I don't really understand Nintendo fans here and their superiority complex with anything Nintendo vs Sony. Seriously..., it was just a compliment and you are trying so hard to make it sound as it was some kind of insult when it was not... at all.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 16.69m (+1.67m)
Super Mario Odyssey - 14.44m (+0.68m)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 13.81m (+1.73m)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 12.77m (+1.09m)
Pokémon: Let's Go, Evee/Pikachu! - 10.63m (+0.63m)
Splatoon 2 - 8.70m (+0.43m)
Super Mario Party - 6.40m (+1.10m)
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 3.31m (NEW)
1-2-Switch - 2.97m (+0.11m)
Mario Tennis Aces - 2.64m (+0.11m)

Total: 92.36m

Total: 69.5m*

*Not all games are up to date, but it's certain that there aren't 20m+ units missing from the total. 10m missing would already be a stretch.

As pointed out multiple times before, Nintendo games have better legs and Nintendo has more Switch games left to release than Sony has PS4 games. The gap will continue to grow in Nintendo's favor and when all is said and done, the comparison won't even be close.

This list does not include the order 1886, knack 1, shadow of the colossus, the last guardian, ratchet and clank, uncharted the lost legacy, infamous second son ...



RolStoppable said:

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 16.69m (+1.67m)
Super Mario Odyssey - 14.44m (+0.68m)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 13.81m (+1.73m)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 12.77m (+1.09m)
Pokémon: Let's Go, Evee/Pikachu! - 10.63m (+0.63m)
Splatoon 2 - 8.70m (+0.43m)
Super Mario Party - 6.40m (+1.10m)
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 3.31m (NEW)
1-2-Switch - 2.97m (+0.11m)
Mario Tennis Aces - 2.64m (+0.11m)

Total: 92.36m

Total: 69.5m*

*Not all games are up to date, but it's certain that there aren't 20m+ units missing from the total. 10m missing would already be a stretch.

As pointed out multiple times before, Nintendo games have better legs and Nintendo has more Switch games left to release than Sony has PS4 games. The gap will continue to grow in Nintendo's favor and when all is said and done, the comparison won't even be close.

Lol you now that table is not updated and is filled with incomplete data. You are playind dumb because it interests you now.

Bloodborne and Detroit Become Human have not sold just 4'0M combined. Killzone Shadow Fall did not sell just 2'1M. GT Sport has not sold just 3'3M, etc

You know perfectly that Spiderman just sold 9M just before December and the game sold huge in Europe in December when sales are more important than in November.

This was never a PS4 vs Switch. It's Sony vs Nintendo in the home console territory, so forgetting TLOU ps3 sales is just convenient too.

The true list was brought by me in this thread earlier:

TLOU has sold 20M, Uncharted 4 has sold 16M, God of War has sold 11M, Horizon probably has surpassed 11M sold too already, Spiderman has to be above those games too. Bloodborne sold more than 2M in US according to Benji so is most probably that it has sold more than 5M worldwide as of today. Ratchet and clank 2016 was according to Insomniac, their best selling game before Spiderman launched, so that needs to be another 5-6M more. QD stated Detroit was about to sell 3M in January 2019. GT Sport was announced months ago that it has more than 7M players by PD themselves, so more than 5-6M is a possibility (and historically GT legs, except GT6 are looooong, the game will keep selling for years).... and Days Gone was just announced today that it is the 7th best Sony selling game in the month of launch in NPD history, despite being only 9 days on sale, compared to the rest that had 16 or more days of sales, so most probably in the first month must have sold 3M worldwide at least and soon will have 5M sold too, ....etc.

Uncharted 4, God of War, Spiderman, The Last of Us Part II has as many chances to reach 20M lifetime as any other Nintendo game.

You saying Nintendo games have better legs is a lie. Pokemon and Smash games historically didn't have good legs, at least not as good as 2D Mario or Mario Kart games. They're indeed way more frontloaded than franchises like Gran Turismo, Uncharted or The Last of Us have proved. 

You say Sony doesn't have any 20M games since PS4 era started (it has one, TLOU, again), but Nintendo only has one too, MK8. Nintendo having more games to launch on Switch than can sell 10M or more than PS4 is irrelevant (and yet to see) because again, THIS WAS NEVER A PS4 VS SWITCH COMPARISON. Once GOW 2, HZD 2, Spiderman 2 launch on PS5 the comparison with Nintendo will still exist, even if it's against Switch, and believe me, those games are going to sell a lot.



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RolStoppable said:
Keiji said:

I'm just saying a theory and I don't troll : is the fact that soon the best selling consoles of all time are PlayStation 2, DS and PlayStation 4 make some Nintendo fans kind of angry with Sony domination. So if now we are saying great things about Sony exclusives software, it's kind of too much for them.

I'm okay to edit the thread title and remove "(Entered Ninty Leve)" even if the OP make this like a compliment and with no bad intentions. 

Are we now supposed to pretend that Sony fans have acted civil in this thread while Nintendo fans have not?

The OP made a claim, it was challenged and proved to be wrong as the top 10 lists for the PS4 and Switch have shown. If the OP didn't want comparisons with Nintendo systems like Switch, Wii or DS, the title should have been more specific.

Bad intentions are debatable. While there might have been none, the second error of the title is that it talks about a leap over the PS3 era which clearly implies a PS3 vs. PS4 comparison, but the OP didn't keep it honest and combined the sales of The Last of Us for PS3 and PS4 to make the numbers more impressive than they really are. This kind of action shows that the focus of the thread was and is on a comparison between Sony and Nintendo.

Given that you yourself have taken issue with the false claims of VideoGameAccountant in the past and the present, you should hold yourself to the same standard. So when facts are brought to the table in this thread and Sony's best isn't in the same league as Nintendo's best, then that should be accepted by you instead of coming up with theories about angry Nintendo fans.

Lastly, if any sort of comparison between Sony and Nintendo qualified, there might have as well PS2 vs. GC been used. Suddenly the whole "entered Ninty level" achievement of the PS4 rings hollow because Sony has been there before when data is picked according to how it suits the desired conclusion.

The OP seems nice but I think he can't edit the title of the thread. Only mods or some can do this.



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Detroit become human finally is close to the 3m.

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RolStoppable said:
colafitte said:

Wow... how many lies in just a post....impressive Rol.

The OP claim has never been proved wrong. Top 10 list for Switch and PS4 shown they're a tied in number of games selling more than 10M. OP's claim was Sony's game now can compete with Nintendo's games in sales.

The Last of Us is a game from 2013 (PS4 version from 2014). Mario Kart 8 is a game from 2014 (Switch version from 2017). Horizon Zero Dawn, Mario Odyssey and Zelda Breath of the Wild are games from 2017. Pokemon Let's Go, Super Smash Bros Ultimate, God of War and Spiderman are games from 2018. All the games listed here in this thread that has surpassed 10M from both companies have launched basically in the same period of time, so no advantages.

The ranking of sales is as it follows:

Mario Kart 8 (+ DX version) > The Last of Us (PS3+PS4) > Uncharted 4 > Super Mario Odyssey > Zelda Breath of the Wild > Super Smash Bros Ultimate > Spiderman > God of War > Horizon Zero Dawn > Pokemon let's Go.

If the comparison is PS3 era to PS4 era why in the world The Last of Us sales combined between PS3 and PS4 and are dishonest?? The Last of Us launched the same year PS4 was announced and launched. Your nitpicking is something else. You can do the same thing for MK 8 and Zelda BOTW counting WiiU sales if you want. It won't change the result....

Facts were brought to the table numerous times and Sony's best is indeed in the same league as Nintendo's best this gen (or era if we are precise to the thread title). I don't know what numbers are you seeing...Like i said, 5 home console games from both companies in the last 6 years surpassed 10M as of today, and both still have more games that can reach that milestone too.

Why are we going to use PS2 and GC numbers when the thread is explicitly saying that Sony games are "entering Nintendo levels" NOW, precisely because they weren't before.

I don't really understand Nintendo fans here and their superiority complex with anything Nintendo vs Sony. Seriously..., it was just a compliment and you are trying so hard to make it sound as it was some kind of insult when it was not... at all.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 16.69m (+1.67m)
Super Mario Odyssey - 14.44m (+0.68m)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 13.81m (+1.73m)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 12.77m (+1.09m)
Pokémon: Let's Go, Evee/Pikachu! - 10.63m (+0.63m)
Splatoon 2 - 8.70m (+0.43m)
Super Mario Party - 6.40m (+1.10m)
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 3.31m (NEW)
1-2-Switch - 2.97m (+0.11m)
Mario Tennis Aces - 2.64m (+0.11m)

Total: 92.36m

Total: 69.5m*

*Not all games are up to date, but it's certain that there aren't 20m+ units missing from the total. 10m missing would already be a stretch.

As pointed out multiple times before, Nintendo games have better legs and Nintendo has more Switch games left to release than Sony has PS4 games. The gap will continue to grow in Nintendo's favor and when all is said and done, the comparison won't even be close.

That's odd, I'm guessing that Uncharted Lost Legacy and the Nathan Drake collection are not a thing.



RolStoppable said:

But that's not the case. You keep making the same mistake as last year where you ignore to account for future sales of Nintendo games and act as if the ~3.5 years additional years that the PS4 had don't matter. Valdney's post can be tossed in the bin all the same.

Here are the current top 10 sellers of Switch as of March 31st 2019 with their gains from January to March 2019 in parantheses:

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 16.69m (+1.67m)
Super Mario Odyssey - 14.44m (+0.68m)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 13.81m (+1.73m)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 12.77m (+1.09m)
Pokémon: Let's Go, Evee/Pikachu! - 10.63m (+0.63m)
Splatoon 2 - 8.70m (+0.43m)
Super Mario Party - 6.40m (+1.10m)
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 3.31m (NEW)
1-2-Switch - 2.97m (+0.11m)
Mario Tennis Aces - 2.64m (+0.11m)

The numbers for the first party games on Switch are already ahead of the biggest sellers of the PS4 and it should go without saying that they will add several millions more to their individual totals, putting them into another league. There are also several more games to release that are likely to exceed the 10m mark. When all is said and done, Switch will have multiple games above 20m, several above 15m and a dozen or more above 10m. Sony isn't going to touch that with their PS4 games.

This remains a thread that undoes the accomplishments of Sony's first party on the PS4 by insisting that Sony is on a level that they don't reach.

I think you have forgotten our debate already. I already explained this couple of times before already. Last time we have this debate you are ignoring all the things I have said.  You are hung up with the Ninty levels. 

News flash. Uncharted 4 sold 16M and counting. is that Nintendo level yes. GOW at 10M - 11M and 1 year from now can reach 15M, Is that Ninty Level, Yes. Spider-man will reach 15M., Ninty Level yes. Last of us PS4 12M and still selling. Added another 2-3M. Last of Us combined sales at 20M. Ninty level yes. HZD at 10M and still selling. Ninty level, yes.

If my intentions are to compare the overall output then I should have listed all the games, make sense? I listed and handpicked titles because this games are competing now Ninty recent output. 

Funny thing is you are adding another variable to suit your arguments. Uncharted 4 is nearing 20M so you cannot use it anymore. Sony games will stall at 10M. oh it didn't happened. Cannot use it anymore. 

One more thing how many Marios are there on your list?? and how many of those will be Pokemon, Mario, and Zelda in the future?
oh and yeah shipped vs to sold thru customer FYI. 

I will do an edit. I am at work and posting on a phone is a drag.  To put it simply I am not yet done.  

Replicant said:

We get so many petty comments every time this thread is updated. OP should consider removing the unnecessary comparison to Nintendo.

OT: SIE's 1st parties have come a long way this gen.

The Last of Us: Remastered - over 10M
Uncharted 4 - over 15M
God of War - over 10M
Horizon: Zero Dawn - over 10M
Spider-Man - over 9M

I won't change it. Nothing wrong with it. It's a healthy comparison and not an attack from ninty fans. 

Keiji said:

The OP seems nice but I think he can't edit the title of the thread. Only mods or some can do this.

I can do it. but will not changed it. 

Last edited by NoCtiS_NoX - on 22 May 2019

Damm if this thread proved to had plenty of salt, I can’t imagine when Sony announces the 100 million units milestone.