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Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

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Replicant said:
Train wreck said:

I'm sure the same petty comments would continue even with the change...the narrative would be user/install base, game prices and bundles.

Maybe

And people wonder why this place is a desert...

Adding Nintendo brought in more users. Removing it, now, won't do much, but would have garnered much less response from the beginning. So, that's totally at odds with what you're saying. 



                                                                                                                                            

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MasonADC said:
colafitte said:

To be precise i said 15M at full price, not 10M but if you ask. Spiderman last year was really close. And what i meant is that you are saying Switch still has games to come that can sell 10+ or 15+ M sold and i tell PS4 it's the same, so what's the point in saying that then?

What an excuse using install base to say that Switch has an disadvantage...I expect all you saying this same thing in 2019 saying that the next Mario 3D, the next Zelda 3D, selling worse then being a complete failure in a few years because Switch will be twice the install base then.....We'll see what you say then, because name me a sequel or next game in the franchise in the same console that sold better than the previous one in Nintendo history. Again, if you can find it, please name it.

Since 2012 when WiiU started, Nintendo has had the next home console games reaching 10M or more:

- Mario Kart 8 WiiU + Mario Kart 8 DX Switch = around 20-25M shipped at the moment

- Super Mario Odyssey = around 15M shipped

- The Legend of Zelda WiiU+Switch = 14-15M shipped

- Super Smash Bros Ultimate = around 14M shipped

- Pokemon Let's Go = around 11M shipped

So i count 5 games.

Already launched games candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: Splatoon 2 with around 9M shipped, maybe Super Mario Party 

Announced games yet to launch candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: Pokemon Sword&Shield, Animal Crossing, maybe Super Mario Maker 2

If i count those you can add 3, 4, maybe 5 games in the next 2 years possibly.

Now compare to Sony since 2012:

- The Last of Us PS3+PS4 = 20M sold

- Uncharted 4 = 16M sold

- God of War = 11M sold

- Horizon Zero Dawn = more than 10M sold

- Spider-Man = probably close to 11-12M sold at least (9M sold before December last year)

That's 5 games too.

Already launched games candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: Gran Turismo Sport 7'5M players, probably more than 6M sold (but if you don't want to count this, it's fair), Days Gone (recently launched but it's doing Horizon Zero Dawn numbers at launch)

Announced games yet to launch candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: The Last of Us Part II, Ghosts of Tsushima, maybe Death Stranding.

So maybe 3 o 4 more games in the next years coming to that milestone too.

So...., how is Sony studios not reaching Nintendo levels this last gen?? To me, the people saying no are just in denial mode....

I wasn't trying to say anything about install bases, I meant that using the fact that the Switch is bascially tied with 10 million sellers with ps4 is a positive for switch. One is much older than the other, and its clear to see that first party 10 million sellers will be in favor of switch. Couple this with games like MK8 and Smash topping out at 20 million+, I see that sony is making their way, but haven't reached it yet. Sony is done with big first party annocuments on ps4, but Nintendo isn't. This will make the gap grow even bigger. However, I expect Sony to reach even closer next gen with first parties firing on all cylinders at the start of the gen instead of later 

It is indeed, not denying that. The fact that Switch started with such an amazing lineup in its first 2 years of life is super impressive.

MK8 is already ahead of 20M, like TLOU is too, but i don't see as a guarantee Smash topping 20M, not more than uncharted 4 or Spiderman doing the same. I don't agree that they haven't reach that point yet, as i showed in that post earlier. Both companies have 5 games that have sold 10M or more, and both have 1 game thas has sold 20M or more.

But this was not a PS4 vs Switch, it's Sony vs Nintendo. PS4 ending soon doesn't matter. in a few years Horizon 2, God of War 2, Spiderman 2 will come and they will sell great, even better, in whatever the console they launch. The point of all this was that during PS3, i mean, 2007-2010 nobody expected a Sony Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Game game to sell close to a Mario 3D, but today, if GOW 2 and Super Mario Odyssey 2 were announced to launch in 2020 there will be discussions about which game would sell the most. Just for that, saying that Sony is "entering Nintendo levels" is just a way to say that now Sony, can compete with Nintendo, even if it still "loses" in the end.



Ljink96 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Not to be that guy but he did say in the last 20yrs on a Home console without pricecuts/bundles not only the Switch. Which very well MAY have multiple 15m sellers without pricecut we won't know until later on. But with Pokemon and Animal crossing I think those 2 are the ones that will potentially do it. But if either has a bundle then that will automatically throw that out the window smh.

Personally I can't see how people are not seeing Nintendo levels with everything listed especially Uncharted 4. Heck outside of the Wiisports/fit etc games and New Super Mario Bros Wii and Mario Kart Wii there were only like 2 Wii games on a 100 million plus user base that sold more than 10 million. So we can't really say "It's really to be expected on a near 100M+ base" Because that is just not the case.

I don't think ANYONE has disputed that the Switch software numbers are amazing. And the Salty comment came from some user saying that silly statement about not being at Nintendo levels because it was not done at full price which was just ridiculous. I also don't think anyone decided anything about how many 1st party 10 million plus sellers  would have just yet.

But I agree the console war talk is silly and definitely needs to stop but it is what makes things fun at the same time....a little FRIENDLY competition here and there but some folks just go over board man and it sucks smh.

True, but the Wii is always used in single case scenarios. The device was troubled, yet successful so using it as the standard doesn't hold up quite well. You can't really say "outside of these games that sold extremely well" that's kinda circumventing factual data.

I think it would help everyone to actually look at Nintendo's shipped numbers:

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/3ds.html

And while yes, like I Said PlayStation 1st party is close they just aren't quite there yet. GOW at 11M, HZD at 11M, SpiderMan at 9M, probably 10M, TLOU at 17M split between PS3 and PS4, and UC4 at 16M, it isn't as consistent as even the 3DS with UC4 being the single SKU to hit 16M+. TLOU2 at 17M is very impressive, but combine something like MK8 Wii U and MK8 Switch, it's at 25M+ between around 50-60M consoles, vs. TLOU at 17M across 170-180M consoles. Looking at software to hardware ratios, Nintendo's 1st party edges out Sony's at this time. 

And the Switch is really just about to get started with Software sales as we get into their bigger titles along with evergreen titles coupled with price drops, revisions, etc. which is why I suggested that everyone wait until Switch is where PS4 is, 6-7 years into its life to compare software. 

I don't mind friendly competition but I kinda want facts to back up claims is all. 

Well he said Home consoles which is what I honestly thought people were talking about lol. Hence the reason I brought up the Wii because it had the highest sellers for any Nin home console before the NEW MONSTER that is the Switch. If we are comparing it to the Handhelds then no it has not reached that level.

That's why i gave actual facts and info with the Home consoles lol. And yes I like when people give actual facts as well! It makes it better!



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CGI-Quality said:
Replicant said:

Maybe

And people wonder why this place is a desert...

Adding Nintendo brought in more users. Removing it, now, won't do much, but would have garnered much less response from the beginning. So, that's totally at odds with what you're saying. 

Well, all I know is why I comment far less than I used to.



Replicant said:
CGI-Quality said:

Adding Nintendo brought in more users. Removing it, now, won't do much, but would have garnered much less response from the beginning. So, that's totally at odds with what you're saying. 

Well, all I know is why I comment far less than I used to.

Since the dawn of the site, we've had topics like these. People make comparisons. So long as people are civil, and it's not a totally off-the-wall head-to-head, I don't see much issue.

Perhaps you could explain to me what the harm is in comparing Sony and Nintendo's 1st Party sales.

TheBlackNaruto said:

I felt the title was already fine and was discussing Sony home console 1st Party entering Nin Home console 1st party. Which was true and a compliment to Sony and their sales. But with some of the replies that I have read it it was almost as if people took it as an attack on Nin lol. Not sure how or why it got to the point it has but I felt the title was good and well deserved and showed the growth of Sony games this gen.

Indeed.

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Keiji said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

I am confused I just said not sure why you said Sony would not touch Nintendo games in units sold. I am not really estimating where all the Switch games will end up. I feel they will have some 20mil plus games which Sony more than likely will not even with TLOU2. Nin will have multiple 15mil plus games while Sony will have several. Nin will definitely have more 15mil plus games without a doubt. And both will have multiple 10mil plus games.

Hence the reason I said Sony have already touched Nin in that regard. Has Nin done it quicker? Without a doubt will Nin have more most definitely but we can't say that Sony has not touched them when they definitely have that was my only point lol. I wasn't worried about who did it quicker, and even replied in here that Nin will definitely ave more.

My point was that Sony had reached Nin level sales. Not that it was selling more or selling faster than Nin did or will so I am not even sure what I said that you were disputing in the first place lol.

I'm just saying a theory and I don't troll : is the fact that soon the best selling consoles of all time are PlayStation 2, DS and PlayStation 4 make some Nintendo fans kind of angry with Sony domination. So if now we are saying great things about Sony exclusives software, it's kind of too much for them.

I'm okay to edit the thread title and remove "(Entered Ninty Leve)" even if the OP make this like a compliment and with no bad intentions. 

I felt the title was already fine and was discussing Sony home console 1st Party entering Nin Home console 1st party. Which was true and a compliment to Sony and their sales. But with some of the replies that I have read it it was almost as if people took it as an attack on Nin lol. Not sure how or why it got to the point it has but I felt the title was good and well deserved and showed the growth of Sony games this gen.



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CGI-Quality said:
Replicant said:

Well, all I know is why I comment far less than I used to.

Since the dawn of the site, we've had topics like these. People make comparisons. So long as people are civil, and it's not a totally off-the-wall head-to-head, I don't see much issue.

Perhaps you could explain to me what the harm is in comparing Sony and Nintendo's 1st Party sales.

Nothing's wrong. This is fine.



TheBlackNaruto said:
Keiji said:

I'm just saying a theory and I don't troll : is the fact that soon the best selling consoles of all time are PlayStation 2, DS and PlayStation 4 make some Nintendo fans kind of angry with Sony domination. So if now we are saying great things about Sony exclusives software, it's kind of too much for them.

I'm okay to edit the thread title and remove "(Entered Ninty Leve)" even if the OP make this like a compliment and with no bad intentions. 

I felt the title was already fine and was discussing Sony home console 1st Party entering Nin Home console 1st party. Which was true and a compliment to Sony and their sales. But with some of the replies that I have read it it was almost as if people took it as an attack on Nin lol. Not sure how or why it got to the point it has but I felt the title was good and well deserved and showed the growth of Sony games this gen.

I was okay with the title and I saw it like "wow PlayStation's exclusive softwares made a great step forward" but you see it seems to bring some tensions so perhaps we should make some changes. 



Keiji said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

I felt the title was already fine and was discussing Sony home console 1st Party entering Nin Home console 1st party. Which was true and a compliment to Sony and their sales. But with some of the replies that I have read it it was almost as if people took it as an attack on Nin lol. Not sure how or why it got to the point it has but I felt the title was good and well deserved and showed the growth of Sony games this gen.

I was okay with the title and I saw it like "wow PlayStation's exclusive softwares made a great step forward" but you see it seems to bring some tensions so perhaps we should make some changes. 

It's a shame that we can't name Nintendo in this site if you're considered a PS fan even when the comment it's absolutely a compliment to Nintendo. To me, to say "enter Nintendo levels" was the same as to say "enter excellence/top tier levels".



colafitte said:
Keiji said:

I was okay with the title and I saw it like "wow PlayStation's exclusive softwares made a great step forward" but you see it seems to bring some tensions so perhaps we should make some changes. 

It's a shame that we can't name Nintendo in this site if you're considered a PS fan even when the comment it's absolutely a compliment to Nintendo. To me, to say "enter Nintendo levels" was the same as to say "enter excellence/top tier levels".