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Forums - Sony Discussion - Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

RolStoppable said:

But that's not the case. You keep making the same mistake as last year where you ignore to account for future sales of Nintendo games and act as if the ~3.5 years additional years that the PS4 had don't matter. Valdney's post can be tossed in the bin all the same.

Here are the current top 10 sellers of Switch as of March 31st 2019 with their gains from January to March 2019 in parantheses:

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 16.69m (+1.67m)
Super Mario Odyssey - 14.44m (+0.68m)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 13.81m (+1.73m)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 12.77m (+1.09m)
Pokémon: Let's Go, Evee/Pikachu! - 10.63m (+0.63m)
Splatoon 2 - 8.70m (+0.43m)
Super Mario Party - 6.40m (+1.10m)
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 3.31m (NEW)
1-2-Switch - 2.97m (+0.11m)
Mario Tennis Aces - 2.64m (+0.11m)

The numbers for the first party games on Switch are already ahead of the biggest sellers of the PS4 and it should go without saying that they will add several millions more to their individual totals, putting them into another league. There are also several more games to release that are likely to exceed the 10m mark. When all is said and done, Switch will have multiple games above 20m, several above 15m and a dozen or more above 10m. Sony isn't going to touch that with their PS4 games.

This remains a thread that undoes the accomplishments of Sony's first party on the PS4 by insisting that Sony is on a level that they don't reach.

I think you have forgotten our debate already. I already explained this couple of times before already. Last time we have this debate you are ignoring all the things I have said.  You are hung up with the Ninty levels. 

News flash. Uncharted 4 sold 16M and counting. is that Nintendo level yes. GOW at 10M - 11M and 1 year from now can reach 15M, Is that Ninty Level, Yes. Spider-man will reach 15M., Ninty Level yes. Last of us PS4 12M and still selling. Added another 2-3M. Last of Us combined sales at 20M. Ninty level yes. HZD at 10M and still selling. Ninty level, yes.

If my intentions are to compare the overall output then I should have listed all the games, make sense? I listed and handpicked titles because this games are competing now Ninty recent output. 

Funny thing is you are adding another variable to suit your arguments. Uncharted 4 is nearing 20M so you cannot use it anymore. Sony games will stall at 10M. oh it didn't happened. Cannot use it anymore. 

One more thing how many Marios are there on your list?? and how many of those will be Pokemon, Mario, and Zelda in the future?
oh and yeah shipped vs to sold thru customer FYI. 

I will do an edit. I am at work and posting on a phone is a drag.  To put it simply I am not yet done.  

Replicant said:

We get so many petty comments every time this thread is updated. OP should consider removing the unnecessary comparison to Nintendo.

OT: SIE's 1st parties have come a long way this gen.

The Last of Us: Remastered - over 10M
Uncharted 4 - over 15M
God of War - over 10M
Horizon: Zero Dawn - over 10M
Spider-Man - over 9M

I won't change it. Nothing wrong with it. It's a healthy comparison and not an attack from ninty fans. 

Keiji said:

The OP seems nice but I think he can't edit the title of the thread. Only mods or some can do this.

I can do it. but will not changed it. 

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Damm if this thread proved to had plenty of salt, I can’t imagine when Sony announces the 100 million units milestone.



NoCtiS_NoX said: 
Replicant said:

We get so many petty comments every time this thread is updated. OP should consider removing the unnecessary comparison to Nintendo.

OT: SIE's 1st parties have come a long way this gen.

The Last of Us: Remastered - over 10M
Uncharted 4 - over 15M
God of War - over 10M
Horizon: Zero Dawn - over 10M
Spider-Man - over 9M

I won't change it. Nothing wrong with it. It's a healthy comparison and not an attack on ninty fans.

Fair enough. But the thread will most likely keep getting derailed then.



RolStoppable said:

The Nintendo list doesn't include all games either. Adding all the smaller games on both sides won't change the results in a significant way.

colafitte said:

Lol you now that table is not updated and is filled with incomplete data. You are playind dumb because it interests you now.

Bloodborne and Detroit Become Human have not sold just 4'0M combined. Killzone Shadow Fall did not sell just 2'1M. GT Sport has not sold just 3'3M, etc

You know perfectly that Spiderman just sold 9M just before December and the game sold huge in Europe in December when sales are more important than in November.

This was never a PS4 vs Switch. It's Sony vs Nintendo in the home console territory, so forgetting TLOU ps3 sales is just convenient too.

The true list was brought by me in this thread earlier:

TLOU has sold 20M, Uncharted 4 has sold 16M, God of War has sold 11M, Horizon probably has surpassed 11M sold too already, Spiderman has to be above those games too. Bloodborne sold more than 2M in US according to Benji so is most probably that it has sold more than 5M worldwide as of today. Ratchet and clank 2016 was according to Insomniac, their best selling game before Spiderman launched, so that needs to be another 5-6M more. QD stated Detroit was about to sell 3M in January 2019. GT Sport was announced months ago that it has more than 7M players by PD themselves, so more than 5-6M is a possibility (and historically GT legs, except GT6 are looooong, the game will keep selling for years).... and Days Gone was just announced today that it is the 7th best Sony selling game in the month of launch in NPD history, despite being only 9 days on sale, compared to the rest that had 16 or more days of sales, so most probably in the first month must have sold 3M worldwide at least and soon will have 5M sold too, ....etc.

Uncharted 4, God of War, Spiderman, The Last of Us Part II has as many chances to reach 20M lifetime as any other Nintendo game.

You saying Nintendo games have better legs is a lie. Pokemon and Smash games historically didn't have good legs, at least not as good as 2D Mario or Mario Kart games. They're indeed way more frontloaded than franchises like Gran Turismo, Uncharted or The Last of Us have proved. 

You say Sony doesn't have any 20M games since PS4 era started (it has one, TLOU, again), but Nintendo only has one too, MK8. Nintendo having more games to launch on Switch than can sell 10M or more than PS4 is irrelevant (and yet to see) because again, THIS WAS NEVER A PS4 VS SWITCH COMPARISON. Once GOW 2, HZD 2, Spiderman 2 launch on PS5 the comparison with Nintendo will still exist, even if it's against Switch, and believe me, those games are going to sell a lot.

My post contained a very visible note that not all of Sony's games on the list have to up to date numbers. It's not me who's playing dumb here.

The OP himself confirmed that PS4 vs. Switch is eligible. This thread is turning into one where Sony fans are fighting against the inevitable. If this thread gets updated every year, it will show what I've said multiple times: The difference between PS4 and Switch will grow in the favor of Switch and in the end it won't even be a close comparison. Hence why the claim "entered Ninty level" will not hold up.

Oh i readed that note, and yet you made a conclusion comparing numbers based on that flawed logic.

Fightning against the "inevitable"....lol, like when Switch was going to sell 20M or more last year??, outselling PS4??, that same "inevitability"???. PS4 vs Switch may be "eligible", but that's not all about it. It's only a restricted way of think that you puposedly decided to choose to benefit your interests. The OP never stated that, the OP title is clear "SONY IS ENTERING NINTENDO LEVELS". And besides, your point about PS4 vs Switch is still undecided which will have more big sellers in the end. What in the world mades you think "in the end won't be a close comparison". Your loved Nintendo games are the only ones than can keep selling?? Such arrogance my god....

The time is against you, not in favor to you. Next year we will know Spiderman and GOW are going to be 15-20M sellers. TLOU 2 is going to be the best Sony selling game of al time. Days Gone is going to surprise people....AGAIN, when it's announced they're close to sell 10M. Ghosts of Tsushima and Death Stranding are going to be successes too. And then PS5 will come, GOW 2, HZD 2, Spiderman 2 will be announced and in the next few years the list of Sony games selling 15M or more will only grow bigger and larger. More IP's will come, because you can bet on that and they will sell a ton too. Meanwhile Nintendo will need again Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Smash,... to be good to sell good.

This "era", Sony became closer entering Nintendo levels. Next gen Sony is going to surpass Nintendo in this regard. Mark my words....



RolStoppable said:

NoCtiS_NoX said:

I think you have forgotten our debate already. I already explained this couple of times. News flash. Uncharted 4. Is Nintendo tier at 16m. Is that raw sales. Yes. That's a fact. 

Last time we have this debate you are ignoring all the things I have said. 

Funny thing is you are adding another variable to suit your arguments. Uncharted 4 is nearing 20M so you cannot use it anymore. Sony games will stall at 10M. oh it didn't happened. Cannot use it anymore. 

One more thing how many marios are there on your list??

I will do an edit. I am at work and posting on a phone is a drag.  To put it simply I am not yet done.  

The memory of our debate is blurry. I don't think I've ignored the things you said back then, but rather I pointed out why your logic is flawed.

Regarding Uncharted 4's 16m, it's only Nintendo tier if you choose to ignore that Nintendo games can sell way more than that. While last year it might have not been obvious to everyone how much Switch games will sell, the updated numbers should give a better idea.

I am quite sure that my statement about Sony games stalling at around 10m didn't include all games. That specific point was about the sales potential where I pointed out that several Nintendo games will not only exceed the 10m mark, but also 15m and even 20m. Sony won't have the same number of games that will have passed those thresholds in the end, hence why it isn't correct to say that Sony has entered Ninty level.

The current main problem in this thread is that a few people refuse to extrapolate numbers to predict future sales, so the current tallies are looked at and deemed to show the same level of first party success despite one console being ~3.5 years longer on the market.

The question how many Mario games are on the Nintendo list is an attempt at goalpost-moving, the very same thing you criticized only one day ago.

See my edit Rol.

No, my logic is not flawed. You are twisting my words to suit your arguments. 

I have no intention of goal posting.  I want you to look deeper in it. 4 Ips that are more than 10M sold to customer. Days Gone has a potential to do it. As time goes by. GOT and DS might make it and Dreams is the biggest wild card.  Sony has the quality seals already. Days Gone with Mix reaction can sold that much. Imagined another highly rated from Sony. If rumors are true another AAA has yet to be announced. That could lead to another potential 10M for Sony.

So if Days Gone, GOT and DS will make it 4 new IPS at 10M and if Dreams succeed as well then 5. isn't that impressive? or it is just hard to admit?

I think this need to be posted again

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It's always hilarious to see some people trying to minimize the sales of a Sony exclusive that sold over 10 million copies in just one year



RolStoppable said:
colafitte said:

Oh i readed that note, and yet you made a conclusion comparing numbers based on that flawed logic.

Fightning against the "inevitable"....lol, like when Switch was going to sell 20M or more last year??, outselling PS4??, that same "inevitability"???. PS4 vs Switch may be "eligible", but that's not all about it. It's only a restricted way of think that you puposedly decided to choose to benefit your interests. The OP never stated that, the OP title is clear "SONY IS ENTERING NINTENDO LEVELS". And besides, your point about PS4 vs Switch is still undecided which will have more big sellers in the end. What in the world mades you think "in the end won't be a close comparison". Your loved Nintendo games are the only ones than can keep selling?? Such arrogance my god....

The time is against you, not in favor to you. Next year we will know Spiderman and GOW are going to be 15-20M sellers. TLOU 2 is going to be the best Sony selling game of al time. Days Gone is going to surprise people....AGAIN, when it's announced they're close to sell 10M. Ghosts of Tsushima and Death Stranding are going to be successes too. And then PS5 will come, GOW 2, HZD 2, Spiderman 2 will be announced and in the next few years the list of Sony games selling 15M or more will only grow bigger and larger. More IP's will come, because you can bet on that and they will sell a ton too. Meanwhile Nintendo will need again Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Smash,... to be good to sell good.

This "era", Sony became closer entering Nintendo levels. Next gen Sony is going to surpass Nintendo in this regard. Mark my words....

Since I was never one of the people who claimed that it is a sure thing that Switch will either sell through 20m+ in calendar year 2018 or ship 20m+ in the fiscal year ending March 2019, that sort of argument doesn't apply here.

I am not contesting that sales of already released Sony games will continue to grow, nor do I contest that upcoming Sony games will be big sellers. I am accounting for both the Sony and Nintendo side of things all the same. Here's the list of Nintendo's top 10 as it was at the time this thread was created:

Super Mario Odyssey - 11.17m (+0.76m)
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 10.35m (+1.13m)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 9.32m (+0.84m)
Splatoon 2 - 6.76m (+0.74m)
1-2-Switch - 2.45m (+0.16m)
ARMS - 2.01m (+0.16m)
Kirby Star Allies - 1.89m (+0.63m)
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - 1.42m (+0.11m)
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze - 1.40m (NEW)
Mario Tennis Aces - 1.38m (NEW)

Nintendo's pace over the last nine months has been much faster than Sony's, hence why I conclude that the final results will be very much in Nintendo's favor. Nintendo has lined up more for the next nine months than Sony, and of course Nintendo also has the edge when it comes to the legs of already released games.

Where did you get the notion that Nintendo's pace over the last 9 months has been much faster than Sony's??.

First of all, Nintendo numbers are shipped, Sony's numbers are always sold to consumers. That's an important point to note.

Second point. Uncharted 4, is a perfect example of legs. The game was announced to have sold to consumeres 8'7M by the end of 2016. So in 2017, 2018 and half 2019 the game has sold another 8M of units to consumers....That's are very good legs for me. Horizon Zero Dawn, started with 2'6M sold to consumers in 2 weeks, 7'6M sold to consumers in 12 months, and "more than 10M" sold to consumers after 24 months, so another 3M sold in a year. I'm pretty convinced that GOW and Spiderman will match that level of legs and even surpassed them.

"Nintendo has lined up more for the next 9 month than Sony". What?. Do Days Gone, The Last of Us Part II, Dreams, Ghosts of Tsushima, Death Stranding disappeared all of a sudden??. What new games does Nintendo have for the next 9 months to match those games??. Super Mario Maker 2, Pokemon Sword& Shield, Animal Crossing and......what exactly? What i am missing? Do we count unannounced games??



Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 16.69m (+1.67m)
Super Mario Odyssey - 14.44m (+0.68m)
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 13.81m (+1.73m)
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 12.77m (+1.09m)
Pokémon: Let's Go, Evee/Pikachu! - 10.63m (+0.63m)
Splatoon 2 - 8.70m (+0.43m)
Super Mario Party - 6.40m (+1.10m)
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe - 3.31m (NEW)
1-2-Switch - 2.97m (+0.11m)
Mario Tennis Aces - 2.64m (+0.11m)

these are number are shipped afaik.

  1. 16M for UC4
  2. 11M for GOW 
  3. 12M for TLOU PS4
  4. 10M for SPiderman
  5. 10M for HZD

Sony numbers are sold thru customer. afaik. Isn't this on Par with Nintendo at the moment. Can please someone elaborate why is this not on par with Nintendo?



kazuyamishima said:
Damm if this thread proved to had plenty of salt, I can’t imagine when Sony announces the 100 million units milestone.

What does this have to do with LITERALLY anything? 



Seeing the arguments throw around I would be curious to see what would be used when saying PS3 sold more SW than Wii and PS4 will sell more SW than Switch.
Or if one Switch game selling more than any PS4 1st party mean Sony isn't entering the same level then what they would say about Nintendo being much lower level than Rockstar or CoD.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."